$25 min wage in DC

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Anonymous wrote:Sound economic policy, which this is not, is simply beyond the grasp of the average or below average person.

Why don’t you explain it to us sweetheart?

This will just drive prices up for everyone. If people at the very bottom now make a minimum of $25, then everyone else's wages will go up accordingly because everyone will say what about me. If everyone suddenly has a lot more money to spend, then prices for everything will also go up accordingly. A pint of beer will cost $25 and the dishwasher making $25 an hour will not be any better off.

Just as I suspected, a bunch of BS completely made up by you. Got forbid people on the bottom make a living wage. Have to keep those suppressed so you can have cheap beer.

Sweetie, this is how inflation works.

It's really not. you have no idea what you're talking about. Raising minimum wage puts more money in people's pockets, which they pump into the economy.

Raising minimum wage puts more people out of a job. The number of jobs isn’t fixed. Only jobs that produce $25 of value per hour will exist after the transition and any laborer who’s labor does not produce value at that rate will be left out

No, it gives people enough money so I don't have to subsidize them with my taxes. There is a reason so many people working these jobs rely on SNAP and medicaid to get though life. It's people like you who don't want to raise the min wage OR give them benefits that are the problem.

Where do you think the money comes from? It comes from a business owner who makes the evaluation: can I take the labor produced by person X and sell the output for enough to pay person X and make a profit. If the answer is no, then the business owner doesn’t fill the position. Except for government jobs program jobs, that’s how the economy works.

Oh please! The vast majority comes from people like me, making around 200K. Everyone knows your trickle down economic BS has never worked.

I don’t know anything about trickle down theory. I do know a couple DC restaurant owners who either have or are expecting to go out of business with the min wage hikes. There’s a limit to how much they can charge for meals and the business breaks.

Let them go out of business. Not everyone who can't afford to pay a living wage to the people they employ needs to stay in business. As I said before, when the owners don't pay, we all do with our tax money.

Oh stop. If you make less than $100,000, you pay *jack shit* in taxes. Your taxes are miniscule. The top 10 percent pay for everything the government does.

I make $230K and can assure that I pay plenty in taxes. The top 10% SHOULD be paying most of the taxes. But they don't. Stop this lie.

79 percent of all federal income taxes are paid by people making at least $228,000.

https://home.treasury.gov/system/files/131/Distribution-of-Tax-Burden-Current-Law-2025.pdf

Folks...the problem isn't the top 10% paying their fair share (they do)...it's not even the top 1%...it's literally the top 0.1% that don't pay anywhere near their fair share, yet are responsible for like 20% of the entire wealth in the country.

They famously pay themselves $1 because they have billions in stock, most of which pays no dividends...and they never sell the stock and realize capital gains, but rather take out loans with their stock as security and at miniscule interest rates (with the interest expense tax deductible). It's not as though Bezos needs to spend $10 BN a year to fund his lifestyle...in fact, I would be surprised if he has to spend more than like $100MM - $200MM per year to fund his lifestyle.

How do they pay the loans back?

They roll them over indefinitely and just pay the interest with PIK interest…that or they may have investments in real estate or other assets (they don’t just spend the loan money on clothes or other consumables) that they sell (maybe at a loss) to repay the loans.

I mean, they could go for 50 years and only spend say $10BN vs stock worth $200BN+.

The only real issue is if the stock tanks and the banks call their loans because the loan-to-collateral is too low.

Disney's stock price is lower today than it was 10 years ago. It would be an extremely terrible decision to do something like this with a lot of stocks.

Again...not really if you are borrowing the equivalent of 5% of your total net worth. Nobody cares if your collateral decreases 25% or even 50%...there is still a ton of equity in the loan.

If you're refusing to sell a stock that is declining in value, even as the rest of the stock market explodes, all so you can postpone paying a capital gains tax bill, you're doing it all wrong.

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Anonymous wrote:This is a formula for driving up inflation. If you have to pay the dishwasher $25 an hour, then everyone in DC doing other, more skilled things who currently makes $25 will demand commensurate increased in their wages. And then if they get $40 an hour, then people who currently make $40 an hour will demand $60. It will continue up the chain, and then prices on everything will rise accordingly because of all the money sloshing around. Going out to eat will cost $300 and then the dishwasher making $25 an hour will complain that everything is still unaffordable.

You seriously think that prices can rise so much and people will pay? High margin businesses will either have to take a profit hit or close down. Low margin businesses will be likely closing down. Some businesses may convert to non profit if wages go up for their employees.

Low wage workers don't always work in service industry like dining and lodging.

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Anonymous wrote:Imagine having to pay some teenager the equivalent of roughly $55k per year just to wash dishes or scrub toilets:

https://www.nbcwashington.com/news/local/workers-labor-advocates-call-for-dc-to-raise-minimum-wage-to-25/4025867/

R.I.P. DC economy. No am I going to pay $100/entree for mediocre food or, $900/night for a garbage hotel simply because businesses have to cover out control labor costs.

No teenagers are washing dishes or scrubbing toilets.

And BTW, why shouldn't people who do those jobs earn that much? Those are hard jobs. They certainly have more importance and value than, say, lobbying, consulting, private equity or being a legislative aide.

But, oh, wait, you were TROLLING, weren't you?

You know what's hard? Clearing debris out of a field like rolling stones and moving logs. Just because it is hard doesnt mean it is valuable. It requires zero mental aptitude and zero special skills like carpentry or electrical knowledge. Why should we over reward low skill, low knowledge jobs?

Because they’re far more important than carpentry, electrical or clearing debris from a field.

You like clean bathrooms and plates, amrite? You value those more than a mitre cut doorframe? You certainly use them more frequently.

High knowledge jobs aren’t valuable. Someone who does, say, content marketing or is a lawyer or accountant is not nearly as important to society as people who clean toilets and dishes.

What did communists use before candles?

Electricity.

It’s communism for people to make enough money to live near their work. Proper capitalism requires a soul-grinding commute to remind workers of their natural inferiority.

Renting a room is living where you work. It's communism to believe that a dishwasher's salary should be able to support a family of four without additional government assistance.

I think it stems from the narrative that supposedly in the good old boomer days minimum wage workers were able to buy a home on one salary and support a stay home wife with 2-3 kids. Anyone can personally verify this was the fact? Back in the 90s in HCOL places minimum wage was not enough to even have your own room in a shared housing and eat anything that's not expired garbage grocery stores are getting rid of. When was this golden age where any full time employment of any kind could afford you an SFH in a good area that's not urban blight or rural wasteland?

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Anonymous wrote:Imagine having to pay some teenager the equivalent of roughly $55k per year just to wash dishes or scrub toilets:

https://www.nbcwashington.com/news/local/workers-labor-advocates-call-for-dc-to-raise-minimum-wage-to-25/4025867/

R.I.P. DC economy. No am I going to pay $100/entree for mediocre food or, $900/night for a garbage hotel simply because businesses have to cover out control labor costs.

No teenagers are washing dishes or scrubbing toilets.

And BTW, why shouldn't people who do those jobs earn that much? Those are hard jobs. They certainly have more importance and value than, say, lobbying, consulting, private equity or being a legislative aide.

But, oh, wait, you were TROLLING, weren't you?

You know what's hard? Clearing debris out of a field like rolling stones and moving logs. Just because it is hard doesnt mean it is valuable. It requires zero mental aptitude and zero special skills like carpentry or electrical knowledge. Why should we over reward low skill, low knowledge jobs?

Because they’re far more important than carpentry, electrical or clearing debris from a field.

You like clean bathrooms and plates, amrite? You value those more than a mitre cut doorframe? You certainly use them more frequently.

High knowledge jobs aren’t valuable. Someone who does, say, content marketing or is a lawyer or accountant is not nearly as important to society as people who clean toilets and dishes.

What did communists use before candles?

Electricity.

It’s communism for people to make enough money to live near their work. Proper capitalism requires a soul-grinding commute to remind workers of their natural inferiority.

Renting a room is living where you work. It's communism to believe that a dishwasher's salary should be able to support a family of four without additional government assistance.

I think it stems from the narrative that supposedly in the good old boomer days minimum wage workers were able to buy a home on one salary and support a stay home wife with 2-3 kids. Anyone can personally verify this was the fact? Back in the 90s in HCOL places minimum wage was not enough to even have your own room in a shared housing and eat anything that's not expired garbage grocery stores are getting rid of. When was this golden age where any full time employment of any kind could afford you an SFH in a good area that's not urban blight or rural wasteland?

This is the quintessential perspective of the young(ish) socialists who want to destroy the system. What’s funny is none of us “boomers” are saying what you think we’re saying. I’m in my fifties and I’ve worked minimum wage jobs, lived in rooms in apartments with strangers (well past my youngish years) lived in neighborhoods I didn’t want to live in. It wasn’t easy or pleasant. But for me it was motivation; for you it just seems like a source of resentment.

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Anonymous wrote:Sound economic policy, which this is not, is simply beyond the grasp of the average or below average person.

Why don’t you explain it to us sweetheart?

This will just drive prices up for everyone. If people at the very bottom now make a minimum of $25, then everyone else's wages will go up accordingly because everyone will say what about me. If everyone suddenly has a lot more money to spend, then prices for everything will also go up accordingly. A pint of beer will cost $25 and the dishwasher making $25 an hour will not be any better off.

Just as I suspected, a bunch of BS completely made up by you. Got forbid people on the bottom make a living wage. Have to keep those suppressed so you can have cheap beer.

Sweetie, this is how inflation works.

It's really not. you have no idea what you're talking about. Raising minimum wage puts more money in people's pockets, which they pump into the economy.

Raising minimum wage puts more people out of a job. The number of jobs isn’t fixed. Only jobs that produce $25 of value per hour will exist after the transition and any laborer who’s labor does not produce value at that rate will be left out

No, it gives people enough money so I don't have to subsidize them with my taxes. There is a reason so many people working these jobs rely on SNAP and medicaid to get though life. It's people like you who don't want to raise the min wage OR give them benefits that are the problem.

Where do you think the money comes from? It comes from a business owner who makes the evaluation: can I take the labor produced by person X and sell the output for enough to pay person X and make a profit. If the answer is no, then the business owner doesn’t fill the position. Except for government jobs program jobs, that’s how the economy works.

Oh please! The vast majority comes from people like me, making around 200K. Everyone knows your trickle down economic BS has never worked.

I don’t know anything about trickle down theory. I do know a couple DC restaurant owners who either have or are expecting to go out of business with the min wage hikes. There’s a limit to how much they can charge for meals and the business breaks.

Let them go out of business. Not everyone who can't afford to pay a living wage to the people they employ needs to stay in business. As I said before, when the owners don't pay, we all do with our tax money.

Oh stop. If you make less than $100,000, you pay *jack shit* in taxes. Your taxes are miniscule. The top 10 percent pay for everything the government does.

I make $230K and can assure that I pay plenty in taxes. The top 10% SHOULD be paying most of the taxes. But they don't. Stop this lie.

79 percent of all federal income taxes are paid by people making at least $228,000.

https://home.treasury.gov/system/files/131/Distribution-of-Tax-Burden-Current-Law-2025.pdf

Folks...the problem isn't the top 10% paying their fair share (they do)...it's not even the top 1%...it's literally the top 0.1% that don't pay anywhere near their fair share, yet are responsible for like 20% of the entire wealth in the country.

They famously pay themselves $1 because they have billions in stock, most of which pays no dividends...and they never sell the stock and realize capital gains, but rather take out loans with their stock as security and at miniscule interest rates (with the interest expense tax deductible). It's not as though Bezos needs to spend $10 BN a year to fund his lifestyle...in fact, I would be surprised if he has to spend more than like $100MM - $200MM per year to fund his lifestyle.

Most of that wealth can't be converted to cash because it would crash the market. It's paper wealth.

If you have a disciplined stock disposal strategy it won't crash the market. That would only happen if Bezos as an example decided to dump 10% of his ownership in one fell swoop, vs. selling say 10% of his holdings (so, 2% of Amazon stock) over the course of a year (and usually on days when the market / Amazon is up).

People like Jeff Bezos have to publicly report when they sell stock. The announcement alone can drive down the price.

1000% incorrect if they announce they are selling to diversify their personal holdings over several years. They hire a 3rd party firm to sell the shares over a long time period, optimized to sell on Up days.

The SEC requires insiders and major stock holders to publicly report sales within two days.

Sure…what does that have to do with anything? Someone like Bezos would publicly announce they are going to sell their stock and the firm they hired to do it. The need a 3rd party to sell so it’s not tied to company events to avoid insider trading charges.

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Anonymous wrote:Imagine having to pay some teenager the equivalent of roughly $55k per year just to wash dishes or scrub toilets:

https://www.nbcwashington.com/news/local/workers-labor-advocates-call-for-dc-to-raise-minimum-wage-to-25/4025867/

R.I.P. DC economy. No am I going to pay $100/entree for mediocre food or, $900/night for a garbage hotel simply because businesses have to cover out control labor costs.

No teenagers are washing dishes or scrubbing toilets.

And BTW, why shouldn't people who do those jobs earn that much? Those are hard jobs. They certainly have more importance and value than, say, lobbying, consulting, private equity or being a legislative aide.

But, oh, wait, you were TROLLING, weren't you?

You know what's hard? Clearing debris out of a field like rolling stones and moving logs. Just because it is hard doesnt mean it is valuable. It requires zero mental aptitude and zero special skills like carpentry or electrical knowledge. Why should we over reward low skill, low knowledge jobs?

Because they’re far more important than carpentry, electrical or clearing debris from a field.

You like clean bathrooms and plates, amrite? You value those more than a mitre cut doorframe? You certainly use them more frequently.

High knowledge jobs aren’t valuable. Someone who does, say, content marketing or is a lawyer or accountant is not nearly as important to society as people who clean toilets and dishes.

What did communists use before candles?

Electricity.

It’s communism for people to make enough money to live near their work. Proper capitalism requires a soul-grinding commute to remind workers of their natural inferiority.

Renting a room is living where you work. It's communism to believe that a dishwasher's salary should be able to support a family of four without additional government assistance.

I think it stems from the narrative that supposedly in the good old boomer days minimum wage workers were able to buy a home on one salary and support a stay home wife with 2-3 kids. Anyone can personally verify this was the fact? Back in the 90s in HCOL places minimum wage was not enough to even have your own room in a shared housing and eat anything that's not expired garbage grocery stores are getting rid of. When was this golden age where any full time employment of any kind could afford you an SFH in a good area that's not urban blight or rural wasteland?

This has never been the narrative. Back in the boomer times of the 1960s, minimum wage was for teenagers and others working jobs for extra income, but never a job that could support a family…mainly because there were union and other FT jobs that paid way more than minimum wage that you could obtain with just a HS diploma.

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There's a teen minimum wage in DC which is terrible. Same for Montgomery College, so even though they do the same work as those who are older, they don't earn the same.

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Also, if the Walmart heirs and heiresses weren't interested in being multi-billionaires, they might actually pay their workers more. But, shoppers also don't care about wages, which is why so many people shop there and put people and towns out of business.

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We should drive wages down to zero for these manual labor jobs, just like the good ole days, amirite OP?

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Anonymous wrote:Also, if the Walmart heirs and heiresses weren't interested in being multi-billionaires, they might actually pay their workers more. But, shoppers also don't care about wages, which is why so many people shop there and put people and towns out of business.

Sounds like you haven't read a newspaper since the 90s. The federal minimum wage is $7.25. The average hourly employee at Wal-Mart currently makes $18.25 an hour.

https://www.wsj.com/business/retail/walmart-employee-treatment-success-f96761f4?gaa_at=eafs&gaa_n=AWEtsqdqmg8bBjJ4Mu3G36K_AmBwCqBm1T9WjKD4hzTapQQFgsgqnV5sRMmXr56-UO0%3D&gaa_ts=69421f96&gaa_sig=YTOKYpTeVAaHHYds3f6MTu7az8lOByKxRTWOQrbzm3OGyPZhd2mCX2oZryHnTQ6LCD6rt29COIvTC0k8vmV2GA%3D%3D

Walmart, Once a Byword for Low Pay, Becomes a Case Study in How to Treat Workers

The largest private employer in the U.S. increased wages in a bid to jump-start sales. Investors needed to be convinced.

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Anonymous wrote:We should drive wages down to zero for these manual labor jobs, just like the good ole days, amirite OP?

The labor market is pretty tight. If you're trying to hire someone, and you offer to pay minimum wage, I suspect *no one* will apply for your job.

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Anonymous wrote:Sound economic policy, which this is not, is simply beyond the grasp of the average or below average person.

Why don’t you explain it to us sweetheart?

This will just drive prices up for everyone. If people at the very bottom now make a minimum of $25, then everyone else's wages will go up accordingly because everyone will say what about me. If everyone suddenly has a lot more money to spend, then prices for everything will also go up accordingly. A pint of beer will cost $25 and the dishwasher making $25 an hour will not be any better off.

Just as I suspected, a bunch of BS completely made up by you. Got forbid people on the bottom make a living wage. Have to keep those suppressed so you can have cheap beer.

Sweetie, this is how inflation works.

It's really not. you have no idea what you're talking about. Raising minimum wage puts more money in people's pockets, which they pump into the economy.

Raising minimum wage puts more people out of a job. The number of jobs isn’t fixed. Only jobs that produce $25 of value per hour will exist after the transition and any laborer who’s labor does not produce value at that rate will be left out

No, it gives people enough money so I don't have to subsidize them with my taxes. There is a reason so many people working these jobs rely on SNAP and medicaid to get though life. It's people like you who don't want to raise the min wage OR give them benefits that are the problem.

Where do you think the money comes from? It comes from a business owner who makes the evaluation: can I take the labor produced by person X and sell the output for enough to pay person X and make a profit. If the answer is no, then the business owner doesn’t fill the position. Except for government jobs program jobs, that’s how the economy works.

Oh please! The vast majority comes from people like me, making around 200K. Everyone knows your trickle down economic BS has never worked.

I don’t know anything about trickle down theory. I do know a couple DC restaurant owners who either have or are expecting to go out of business with the min wage hikes. There’s a limit to how much they can charge for meals and the business breaks.

Let them go out of business. Not everyone who can't afford to pay a living wage to the people they employ needs to stay in business. As I said before, when the owners don't pay, we all do with our tax money.

You do understand that then no one will work there, right? So they won't be earning any wage, let alone a "living" wage.

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Anonymous wrote:Sound economic policy, which this is not, is simply beyond the grasp of the average or below average person.

Why don’t you explain it to us sweetheart?

This will just drive prices up for everyone. If people at the very bottom now make a minimum of $25, then everyone else's wages will go up accordingly because everyone will say what about me. If everyone suddenly has a lot more money to spend, then prices for everything will also go up accordingly. A pint of beer will cost $25 and the dishwasher making $25 an hour will not be any better off.

Just as I suspected, a bunch of BS completely made up by you. Got forbid people on the bottom make a living wage. Have to keep those suppressed so you can have cheap beer.

Sweetie, this is how inflation works.

It's really not. you have no idea what you're talking about. Raising minimum wage puts more money in people's pockets, which they pump into the economy.

Raising minimum wage puts more people out of a job. The number of jobs isn’t fixed. Only jobs that produce $25 of value per hour will exist after the transition and any laborer who’s labor does not produce value at that rate will be left out

No, it gives people enough money so I don't have to subsidize them with my taxes. There is a reason so many people working these jobs rely on SNAP and medicaid to get though life. It's people like you who don't want to raise the min wage OR give them benefits that are the problem.

Where do you think the money comes from? It comes from a business owner who makes the evaluation: can I take the labor produced by person X and sell the output for enough to pay person X and make a profit. If the answer is no, then the business owner doesn’t fill the position. Except for government jobs program jobs, that’s how the economy works.

Oh please! The vast majority comes from people like me, making around 200K. Everyone knows your trickle down economic BS has never worked.

I don’t know anything about trickle down theory. I do know a couple DC restaurant owners who either have or are expecting to go out of business with the min wage hikes. There’s a limit to how much they can charge for meals and the business breaks.

Let them go out of business. Not everyone who can't afford to pay a living wage to the people they employ needs to stay in business. As I said before, when the owners don't pay, we all do with our tax money.

Oh stop. If you make less than $100,000, you pay *jack shit* in taxes. Your taxes are miniscule. The top 10 percent pay for everything the government does.

I make $230K and can assure that I pay plenty in taxes. The top 10% SHOULD be paying most of the taxes. But they don't. Stop this lie.

Be careful with "lies"
"For tax year 2022, the most recent year for which complete data is available, the top 10% of U.S. income earners paid approximately 72% of all federal individual income taxes."

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Anonymous wrote:Also, if the Walmart heirs and heiresses weren't interested in being multi-billionaires, they might actually pay their workers more. But, shoppers also don't care about wages, which is why so many people shop there and put people and towns out of business.

Sounds like you haven't read a newspaper since the 90s. The federal minimum wage is $7.25. The average hourly employee at Wal-Mart currently makes $18.25 an hour.

https://www.wsj.com/business/retail/walmart-employee-treatment-success-f96761f4?gaa_at=eafs&gaa_n=AWEtsqdqmg8bBjJ4Mu3G36K_AmBwCqBm1T9WjKD4hzTapQQFgsgqnV5sRMmXr56-UO0%3D&gaa_ts=69421f96&gaa_sig=YTOKYpTeVAaHHYds3f6MTu7az8lOByKxRTWOQrbzm3OGyPZhd2mCX2oZryHnTQ6LCD6rt29COIvTC0k8vmV2GA%3D%3D

Walmart, Once a Byword for Low Pay, Becomes a Case Study in How to Treat Workers

The largest private employer in the U.S. increased wages in a bid to jump-start sales. Investors needed to be convinced.

I don’t have a subscription, but they’re mentioning 10 years ago at Walmart. Do they talk about Walmart’s underemployment leading to excessive use of public funds? Taxpayers have been bailing out Walmart for decades.

Walmart Is Still Putting Ebenezer Scrooge to Shame
https://jacobin.com/2024/05/walmart-living-wage-medicaid-snap

Walmart, McDonald's among largest employers of SNAP, Medicaid recipients: Report
https://www.foxbusiness.com/markets/walmart-mcdonalds-largest-employers-snap-medicaid-recipients.amp

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Anonymous wrote:Sound economic policy, which this is not, is simply beyond the grasp of the average or below average person.

Why don’t you explain it to us sweetheart?

This will just drive prices up for everyone. If people at the very bottom now make a minimum of $25, then everyone else's wages will go up accordingly because everyone will say what about me. If everyone suddenly has a lot more money to spend, then prices for everything will also go up accordingly. A pint of beer will cost $25 and the dishwasher making $25 an hour will not be any better off.

Just as I suspected, a bunch of BS completely made up by you. Got forbid people on the bottom make a living wage. Have to keep those suppressed so you can have cheap beer.

Sweetie, this is how inflation works.

It's really not. you have no idea what you're talking about. Raising minimum wage puts more money in people's pockets, which they pump into the economy.

Raising minimum wage puts more people out of a job. The number of jobs isn’t fixed. Only jobs that produce $25 of value per hour will exist after the transition and any laborer who’s labor does not produce value at that rate will be left out

No, it gives people enough money so I don't have to subsidize them with my taxes. There is a reason so many people working these jobs rely on SNAP and medicaid to get though life. It's people like you who don't want to raise the min wage OR give them benefits that are the problem.

Where do you think the money comes from? It comes from a business owner who makes the evaluation: can I take the labor produced by person X and sell the output for enough to pay person X and make a profit. If the answer is no, then the business owner doesn’t fill the position. Except for government jobs program jobs, that’s how the economy works.

Oh please! The vast majority comes from people like me, making around 200K. Everyone knows your trickle down economic BS has never worked.

I don’t know anything about trickle down theory. I do know a couple DC restaurant owners who either have or are expecting to go out of business with the min wage hikes. There’s a limit to how much they can charge for meals and the business breaks.

Let them go out of business. Not everyone who can't afford to pay a living wage to the people they employ needs to stay in business. As I said before, when the owners don't pay, we all do with our tax money.

Oh stop. If you make less than $100,000, you pay *jack shit* in taxes. Your taxes are miniscule. The top 10 percent pay for everything the government does.

I make $230K and can assure that I pay plenty in taxes. The top 10% SHOULD be paying most of the taxes. But they don't. Stop this lie.

Be careful with "lies"
"For tax year 2022, the most recent year for which complete data is available, the top 10% of U.S. income earners paid approximately 72% of all federal individual income taxes."

Be careful with reading comprehension. The lie was that i do not pay any taxes.

the top 10% should be paying most of it. This is a no brainer.