Did changes to IDEA cause the Newport News shooting?

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:No, IDEA did not cause the school shooting. GUNS caused the school shooting. The FAILURE to implement IDEA correctly caused this child to be in general ed without the 1:1 he clearly needed.

Harsh discipline *does not help* kids with aggression problems. Especially very young children who clearly have something developmental going on. Harsh discipline (such as suspension & expulsion) does have a role for older kids. But not 6 year olds.

Completely disagree. Suspension and expulsion of emotionally disturbed
kids keeps the nonviolent kids safe and in their classrooms.

[Anonymous]

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Anonymous wrote:I hate lumping all these students as special needs. There needs to be different categories - category 1 with kids who have special needs that cause them to have negative behavior and category 2 with kids with special needs that only affect them academically but not behaviorally. Can we stop calling both groups kids with special needs? They are vastly different

In the olden days (the 80's) the label was SEM, socially and emotionally maladjusted. I'm fairly certain that category is no longer used.

Why did they get rid of that category? It needs to be brought back.

The category isnt gone. The name has been changed.

[Anonymous]

Every school has kids like these now but obviously not as extreme. Schools are not really allowed to discipline due to Obama era rules designed to reduce the school to prison pipeline.

The reality is that unhappy kids take it out on others in the schools. They have learned it gets them attention without typically any consequences unless there is physical violence.

[Anonymous]

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Anonymous wrote:Fact: more SN students now than ever before (why? Covid? Other? Dont know and don't care - the fact is there are more SN students in our schools now than before)

Fact: there aren't enough special educators left to serve all those students. Many have burned out. Teaching special ed online is beyond a nightmare. The paperwork involved is overwhelming, and there isn't time built into the day to do it.

Fact: there are many long-term subs teaching in special ed right now. They are not equipped to handle the needs of their students

As a parent who had a child get an IEP post COVID. What COVID provided was insight into all the lies that school was telling us regarding our child.
Seeing what the actual day looked like - how much my child was behind. They kept telling us that he was in the range - he was no where near grade level and we were able to identify the problem and get the services that the school probably should have been providing before COVID.

Didn’t you have an idea with standardized testing?

Someone asked me this once and the answer is no. Standardized tests do not test for LDs or ADHD, etc. And 2E kids can do really well on those easy tests.

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:I hate lumping all these students as special needs. There needs to be different categories - category 1 with kids who have special needs that cause them to have negative behavior and category 2 with kids with special needs that only affect them academically but not behaviorally. Can we stop calling both groups kids with special needs? They are vastly different

In the olden days (the 80's) the label was SEM, socially and emotionally maladjusted. I'm fairly certain that category is no longer used.

Why did they get rid of that category? It needs to be brought back.

The term Emotional behavioral disorder is used now

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:Three things are true:
1.These issues predate Biden/Trump/Obama in my personal experience
2. Some kids are violent regardless of parenting
3. Owning a gun in this situation was bad parenting

But back in the day, we put violent kids into special schools with lots of staff and supports. My grandma worked at one during the 1970s, a "School for the Emotionally Disturbed." Expecting other kids and their teachers to deal with this and many other "special" behaviors is entirely unreasonable.

[Anonymous]

I think administrators who listened to teachers and acted on concerns may have stopped this shooting.

I don't care what IDEA says, if a kid has a gun in their pants, I'm searching them for the gun.

[Anonymous]

CPS should be investigating all families/homes of kids who are emotional disturbed or disruptive at school to make sure the kids are eating and sleeping properly, not being abused, etc. And now we can add that they shouldn’t be allowed access to a gun to the list of things to be checked out.

The parents of this particular kid should be charged with attempted homicide for allowing their emotionally disturbed 6 year old access to a loaded firearm.

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:CPS should be investigating all families/homes of kids who are emotional disturbed or disruptive at school to make sure the kids are eating and sleeping properly, not being abused, etc. And now we can add that they shouldn’t be allowed access to a gun to the list of things to be checked out.

The parents of this particular kid should be charged with attempted homicide for allowing their emotionally disturbed 6 year old access to a loaded firearm.

I know we all want to demonize these parents. But it’s possible these parents are living a nightmare with this kid, it’s possible they were doing almost everything they possibly could we th limited means. This kid is seriously disturbed based on what he’s said and done. The gun was a huge miscalculation on their part, but this child sounds, frankly, diabolical.

The teacher said to the principal get this kid out of my class. From now on teachers should be allowed to demand that administrators remove violent kids for the entire day, at a minimum. I hope the teacher unions fight for this. We will be destroying our public school system if we don’t protect teachers and other students from dangerous kids.

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:Three things are true:
1.These issues predate Biden/Trump/Obama in my personal experience
2. Some kids are violent regardless of parenting
3. Owning a gun in this situation was bad parenting

But back in the day, we put violent kids into special schools with lots of staff and supports. My grandma worked at one during the 1970s, a "School for the Emotionally Disturbed." Expecting other kids and their teachers to deal with this and many other "special" behaviors is entirely unreasonable.

They still have schools like this. They are often full (no seats), and school districts pay $400/day-ish per student (these are day schools, not residential). There aren't enough of them and there aren't enough seats and they are incredibly difficult to staff.

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:Fact: more SN students now than ever before (why? Covid? Other? Dont know and don't care - the fact is there are more SN students in our schools now than before)

Fact: there aren't enough special educators left to serve all those students. Many have burned out. Teaching special ed online is beyond a nightmare. The paperwork involved is overwhelming, and there isn't time built into the day to do it.

Fact: there are many long-term subs teaching in special ed right now. They are not equipped to handle the needs of their students

Covid? LOL. Are you for real?

Try: old parents + an environment (air/water) full of plastic and pollution.

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:Fact: more SN students now than ever before (why? Covid? Other? Dont know and don't care - the fact is there are more SN students in our schools now than before)

Fact: there aren't enough special educators left to serve all those students. Many have burned out. Teaching special ed online is beyond a nightmare. The paperwork involved is overwhelming, and there isn't time built into the day to do it.

Fact: there are many long-term subs teaching in special ed right now. They are not equipped to handle the needs of their students

Covid? LOL. Are you for real?

Try: old parents + an environment (air/water) full of plastic and pollution.

You might be on to something. Anecdotally all my most difficult students have had very young (teen) parents or old ones (40+ at birth)

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:Three things are true:
1.These issues predate Biden/Trump/Obama in my personal experience
2. Some kids are violent regardless of parenting
3. Owning a gun in this situation was bad parenting

But back in the day, we put violent kids into special schools with lots of staff and supports. My grandma worked at one during the 1970s, a "School for the Emotionally Disturbed." Expecting other kids and their teachers to deal with this and many other "special" behaviors is entirely unreasonable.

This person was asking if Biden era changes caused this-no, it’s been an issue longer than that. I’d argue NCLB was a big turning point in how schools are run

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:CPS should be investigating all families/homes of kids who are emotional disturbed or disruptive at school to make sure the kids are eating and sleeping properly, not being abused, etc. And now we can add that they shouldn’t be allowed access to a gun to the list of things to be checked out.

The parents of this particular kid should be charged with attempted homicide for allowing their emotionally disturbed 6 year old access to a loaded firearm.

I know we all want to demonize these parents. But it’s possible these parents are living a nightmare with this kid, it’s possible they were doing almost everything they possibly could we th limited means. This kid is seriously disturbed based on what he’s said and done. The gun was a huge miscalculation on their part, but this child sounds, frankly, diabolical.

The teacher said to the principal get this kid out of my class. From now on teachers should be allowed to demand that administrators remove violent kids for the entire day, at a minimum. I hope the teacher unions fight for this. We will be destroying our public school system if we don’t protect teachers and other students from dangerous kids.

As a teacher reading up on this story I find it infuriating that admin ignored multiple warnings that this kid had a gun. The lesson I take from this? Trust no one and call the police if a weapon is seen or suspected.

[Anonymous]

We have a child like this. Having any kind of weapon in the home with an aggressive and mentally unstable child is unbelievably stupid. The parents are at fault for owning the gun and the admin are at fault for not finding the gun.