Taylor Swift album Tortured Poets Department leaked early?

[Anonymous]

I'm not a Swiftie but I generally enjoy Taylor's music. I couldn't even get through this whole album. I thought it was boring, honestly.

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:55 pages in and missed where someone said she is the best poet and song writer there is.
Can someone link the post, or at lease note the timestamp?
Thanks

There were pages of posts about how her success if driven by her talent alone. People truly believe she has the greatest success because she is the greatest talent. No idea what pages it was but it went on a for a few pages with people denying it is her team and her brand that has led to her success and that is all just based on pure talent. She has more success than other musicians because she has more talent.

[Anonymous]

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Anonymous wrote:55 pages in and missed where someone said she is the best poet and song writer there is.
Can someone link the post, or at lease note the timestamp?
Thanks

+1
Christ almighty, people going off half cocked defensive when some of us just like some darn music and enjoy some lyrics.

I love when people confuse "disagreeing" with "being defensive." It's called an argument. No one is telling you that you can't enjoy Swift's music or her lyrics. They are simply pointing out she's not the only person who writes well. Sheesh.

Except nobody said she was the only one. It’s just the pedants droning about what crap they prefer.

Exactly and it’s in a thread about her and her music. If people don’t like her or her music, why can’t they just skip the thread?

I know, can you believe that people don't understand DCUM is a Taylor Swift fan site and opinions that even mildly criticize her or even just try to contextualize her within the broader culture aren't allowed? Sycophancy only, everyone knows this-- obviously a 55 page thread on an artist will simply be filled with positive reviews and compliments, with no disagreements or other discussion.

/sarcasm

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:55 pages in and missed where someone said she is the best poet and song writer there is.
Can someone link the post, or at lease note the timestamp?
Thanks

There were pages of posts about how her success if driven by her talent alone. People truly believe she has the greatest success because she is the greatest talent. No idea what pages it was but it went on a for a few pages with people denying it is her team and her brand that has led to her success and that is all just based on pure talent. She has more success than other musicians because she has more talent.

You realize it’s just an opinion right? That she is successful is a fact. People can quibble over what percentage is talent, marketing, branding and all the other factors but there’s not an exact formula. If there was it would be easily repeated.

[Anonymous]

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Anonymous wrote:55 pages in and missed where someone said she is the best poet and song writer there is.
Can someone link the post, or at lease note the timestamp?
Thanks

+1
Christ almighty, people going off half cocked defensive when some of us just like some darn music and enjoy some lyrics.

I love when people confuse "disagreeing" with "being defensive." It's called an argument. No one is telling you that you can't enjoy Swift's music or her lyrics. They are simply pointing out she's not the only person who writes well. Sheesh.

Except nobody said she was the only one. It’s just the pedants droning about what crap they prefer.

Exactly and it’s in a thread about her and her music. If people don’t like her or her music, why can’t they just skip the thread?

I know, can you believe that people don't understand DCUM is a Taylor Swift fan site and opinions that even mildly criticize her or even just try to contextualize her within the broader culture aren't allowed? Sycophancy only, everyone knows this-- obviously a 55 page thread on an artist will simply be filled with positive reviews and compliments, with no disagreements or other discussion.

/sarcasm

People don’t have to agree with your dissension. That’s how this all works. If you can’t stand it feel free to find another place to argue.

[Anonymous]

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Anonymous wrote:55 pages in and missed where someone said she is the best poet and song writer there is.
Can someone link the post, or at lease note the timestamp?
Thanks

+1
Christ almighty, people going off half cocked defensive when some of us just like some darn music and enjoy some lyrics.

I love when people confuse "disagreeing" with "being defensive." It's called an argument. No one is telling you that you can't enjoy Swift's music or her lyrics. They are simply pointing out she's not the only person who writes well. Sheesh.

Except nobody said she was the only one. It’s just the pedants droning about what crap they prefer.

Exactly and it’s in a thread about her and her music. If people don’t like her or her music, why can’t they just skip the thread?

I know, can you believe that people don't understand DCUM is a Taylor Swift fan site and opinions that even mildly criticize her or even just try to contextualize her within the broader culture aren't allowed? Sycophancy only, everyone knows this-- obviously a 55 page thread on an artist will simply be filled with positive reviews and compliments, with no disagreements or other discussion.

/sarcasm

People don’t have to agree with your dissension. That’s how this all works. If you can’t stand it feel free to find another place to argue.

I don't think people are expecting agreement, just voicing opinions. You all are the ones saying it's somehow wrong or unfair or off topic to compare Swift to other musicians are discuss what people don't like about her music in this thread.

I don't even dislike Swift-- I like several songs on this album and find her impressive generally. But I get do bored with the insistance by some fans that she must not be criticized. Everyone can be criticized. Critical comments are on topic. Engage or ignore, but it's childish to throw a fit over the fact that people are taking time to write reasoned criticisms. That's well within bounds.

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:Sounds like Travis is the fun rebound.

Her and Matty were tortured souls together. It was deep. With a Travis it’s just fun. A light hearted change from a decade of dark and deep and hidden with Matty.

Oh, but have you ever been affected by
dark, deep and hidden longing? I have, and those feelings surrounding impossible love can last a looong, looong time and are so hard to get over. I wouldn’t be surprised if Matty is still in love with her but has chosen to keep his distance for both of their sakes and careers. It would be the ultimate sign of love actually. Because the alternative is the shit storm the sanctimonious fans and media created last spring, and that was going to end badly. So if you love someone deeply and it will either just end now or end badly later, you choose the easier way out at the expense of your heart. Ask me how I know.

[Anonymous]

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Anonymous wrote:Sounds like Travis is the fun rebound.

Her and Matty were tortured souls together. It was deep. With a Travis it’s just fun. A light hearted change from a decade of dark and deep and hidden with Matty.

Oh, but have you ever been affected by
dark, deep and hidden longing? I have, and those feelings surrounding impossible love can last a looong, looong time and are so hard to get over. I wouldn’t be surprised if Matty is still in love with her but has chosen to keep his distance for both of their sakes and careers. It would be the ultimate sign of love actually. Because the alternative is the shit storm the sanctimonious fans and media created last spring, and that was going to end badly. So if you love someone deeply and it will either just end now or end badly later, you choose the easier way out at the expense of your heart. Ask me how I know.

Lol yeah when I was a teenager

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:It’s so annoying how some of us want to actually discuss the music and some of you are just hung up on the “failed relationships.”

...that is her music.

[Anonymous]

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Anonymous wrote:It’s so annoying how some of us want to actually discuss the music and some of you are just hung up on the “failed relationships.”

...that is her music.

No, those are just the only songs you know or care anything about because you want to use them as some sort of proof that nobody should like her or her music.

[Anonymous]

Oh ok currently over 100 pages of relationship chat about her but uhh her music is Soo much more than that. Apparently. Lol.

[Anonymous]

Woops I meant over 400.

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:Oh ok currently over 100 pages of relationship chat about her but uhh her music is Soo much more than that. Apparently. Lol.

You understand a DCUM thread does not define who she actually is, right? Especially considering 95% of the people posting on threads about her on this forum openly do not know anything about her music and base all their opinions on their perception of her as someone who just has bad relationships.

[Anonymous]

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Anonymous wrote:Oh ok currently over 100 pages of relationship chat about her but uhh her music is Soo much more than that. Apparently. Lol.

You understand a DCUM thread does not define who she actually is, right? Especially considering 95% of the people posting on threads about her on this forum openly do not know anything about her music and base all their opinions on their perception of her as someone who just has bad relationships.

It's like you need her to possess depths that she doesn't have to justify all the time spent focused on her.

[Anonymous]

I love how So Long, London starts, remind me of the creepy music at my Catholic Church or all the mobster movies that always have creepy catholic music.

I like all the allusions ... Sisyphus... drilling the safe.... but I especially love the line "how much sad did you think I had"

I love Peter's obvious allusion to Peter pan syndrome and he is the leader of lost boys.

I love the line promises ocean deep but never to keep.