FCPS HS Boundary

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Anonymous wrote:The solution for Lewis is to make it a CTE trade school and allow everyone who wants a more academic path to transfer out. That’s basically what’s happening now, but they need to stop even attempting to make Lewis fit all types of students when it’s so heavily FARMS and 1st gen. Put the resources there to serve that population and let those who don’t fit go elsewhere.

You do have to ask though - How did it get to this point? Why was it allowed to happen? Why were decisions made that hastened the demise?

That's what happens when you concentrate poverty. MVHS should get similar treatment

People move where they want to live. Families, job, cheaper houses, commute, walkable neighborhood, ethnic communities...

Recent immigrants have always chosen to live in communities with similar religious and cultural ties. Where I grew up in the midwest, the Irish, Italians, Polish and Germans all had consentrated residential areas where they chose to live. There was comfort and community in being around their native language, cultures, food and extended families.

That seems to be largely what is happening in some areas of ffx county. It is a natural part of immigration, and one that I and many other first and second generation immigrants experienced as a member of an immigrant family.

It just seems laughable that you want to blame FCPS for what is a very natural process of immigrating and intergrating to a new society.

People live where they can afford to live. In Fairfax, that is a couple of small areas that sit within a few pyramids. The county caused it by zoning and policy that concentres poverty

There are very practical infrastructure reasons why it is not beneficial to have high density housing development evenly spread throughout the county. It is more cost effective to make targeted infrastructure upgrades in specific areas designated for high density housing. The county will need to expand capacity of the sewer system. water supply and roads networks to accommodatehigher density areas and the entire network will require capacity upgrades if the highest density housing is evenly distributed throughout the county. The policy you are suggesting will require significant investments that Fairfax does not have the capacity to fund.

Also, think of the deer and the foxes, as well as the occasional bear.

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Anonymous wrote:The solution for Lewis is to make it a CTE trade school and allow everyone who wants a more academic path to transfer out. That’s basically what’s happening now, but they need to stop even attempting to make Lewis fit all types of students when it’s so heavily FARMS and 1st gen. Put the resources there to serve that population and let those who don’t fit go elsewhere.

You do have to ask though - How did it get to this point? Why was it allowed to happen? Why were decisions made that hastened the demise?

That's what happens when you concentrate poverty. MVHS should get similar treatment

People move where they want to live. Families, job, cheaper houses, commute, walkable neighborhood, ethnic communities...

Recent immigrants have always chosen to live in communities with similar religious and cultural ties. Where I grew up in the midwest, the Irish, Italians, Polish and Germans all had consentrated residential areas where they chose to live. There was comfort and community in being around their native language, cultures, food and extended families.

That seems to be largely what is happening in some areas of ffx county. It is a natural part of immigration, and one that I and many other first and second generation immigrants experienced as a member of an immigrant family.

It just seems laughable that you want to blame FCPS for what is a very natural process of immigrating and intergrating to a new society.

People live where they can afford to live. In Fairfax, that is a couple of small areas that sit within a few pyramids. The county caused it by zoning and policy that concentres poverty

There are very practical infrastructure reasons why it is not beneficial to have high density housing development evenly spread throughout the county. It is more cost effective to make targeted infrastructure upgrades in specific areas designated for high density housing. The county will need to expand capacity of the sewer system. water supply and roads networks to accommodatehigher density areas and the entire network will require capacity upgrades if the highest density housing is evenly distributed throughout the county. The policy you are suggesting will require significant investments that Fairfax does not have the capacity to fund.

Also, think of the deer and the foxes, as well as the occasional bear.

DP and agree that high density housing should be spread throughout Fairfax. So while they’re adding all the multi-family buildings in Tysons, they should just make 50% of them low income. That starts to de-concentrate poverty and since it was going to be high density housing for rich people, there’s no difference in the “significant investments” or impact on the deer and foxes [wink, wink]. Offering a variety of housing in every area of the county would be good for the environment because then people could live closer to where they work.

I believe right now all development in Fairfax has to offer some percent set aside for low income individuals. I think this should not only not be required for areas with already-high poverty, but should actually be prohibited in areas with already-high poverty.

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Anonymous wrote:The solution for Lewis is to make it a CTE trade school and allow everyone who wants a more academic path to transfer out. That’s basically what’s happening now, but they need to stop even attempting to make Lewis fit all types of students when it’s so heavily FARMS and 1st gen. Put the resources there to serve that population and let those who don’t fit go elsewhere.

You do have to ask though - How did it get to this point? Why was it allowed to happen? Why were decisions made that hastened the demise?

That's what happens when you concentrate poverty. MVHS should get similar treatment

People move where they want to live. Families, job, cheaper houses, commute, walkable neighborhood, ethnic communities...

Recent immigrants have always chosen to live in communities with similar religious and cultural ties. Where I grew up in the midwest, the Irish, Italians, Polish and Germans all had consentrated residential areas where they chose to live. There was comfort and community in being around their native language, cultures, food and extended families.

That seems to be largely what is happening in some areas of ffx county. It is a natural part of immigration, and one that I and many other first and second generation immigrants experienced as a member of an immigrant family.

It just seems laughable that you want to blame FCPS for what is a very natural process of immigrating and intergrating to a new society.

People live where they can afford to live. In Fairfax, that is a couple of small areas that sit within a few pyramids. The county caused it by zoning and policy that concentres poverty

There are very practical infrastructure reasons why it is not beneficial to have high density housing development evenly spread throughout the county. It is more cost effective to make targeted infrastructure upgrades in specific areas designated for high density housing. The county will need to expand capacity of the sewer system. water supply and roads networks to accommodatehigher density areas and the entire network will require capacity upgrades if the highest density housing is evenly distributed throughout the county. The policy you are suggesting will require significant investments that Fairfax does not have the capacity to fund.

Also, think of the deer and the foxes, as well as the occasional bear.

DP and agree that high density housing should be spread throughout Fairfax. So while they’re adding all the multi-family buildings in Tysons, they should just make 50% of them low income. That starts to de-concentrate poverty and since it was going to be high density housing for rich people, there’s no difference in the “significant investments” or impact on the deer and foxes [wink, wink]. Offering a variety of housing in every area of the county would be good for the environment because then people could live closer to where they work.

I believe right now all development in Fairfax has to offer some percent set aside for low income individuals. I think this should not only not be required for areas with already-high poverty, but should actually be prohibited in areas with already-high poverty.

We need to go even further than that. We should take a Thanos approach to housing. All numbers ending in an even number should be taken by eminent domain and given to the poorest people that we can find.

Snap.

Or, as the PP stated, we can just admit the fact that not all parts of the county could support high rises and strip malls.

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Anonymous wrote:The solution for Lewis is to make it a CTE trade school and allow everyone who wants a more academic path to transfer out. That’s basically what’s happening now, but they need to stop even attempting to make Lewis fit all types of students when it’s so heavily FARMS and 1st gen. Put the resources there to serve that population and let those who don’t fit go elsewhere.

You do have to ask though - How did it get to this point? Why was it allowed to happen? Why were decisions made that hastened the demise?

That's what happens when you concentrate poverty. MVHS should get similar treatment

People move where they want to live. Families, job, cheaper houses, commute, walkable neighborhood, ethnic communities...

Recent immigrants have always chosen to live in communities with similar religious and cultural ties. Where I grew up in the midwest, the Irish, Italians, Polish and Germans all had consentrated residential areas where they chose to live. There was comfort and community in being around their native language, cultures, food and extended families.

That seems to be largely what is happening in some areas of ffx county. It is a natural part of immigration, and one that I and many other first and second generation immigrants experienced as a member of an immigrant family.

It just seems laughable that you want to blame FCPS for what is a very natural process of immigrating and intergrating to a new society.

People live where they can afford to live. In Fairfax, that is a couple of small areas that sit within a few pyramids. The county caused it by zoning and policy that concentres poverty

There are very practical infrastructure reasons why it is not beneficial to have high density housing development evenly spread throughout the county. It is more cost effective to make targeted infrastructure upgrades in specific areas designated for high density housing. The county will need to expand capacity of the sewer system. water supply and roads networks to accommodatehigher density areas and the entire network will require capacity upgrades if the highest density housing is evenly distributed throughout the county. The policy you are suggesting will require significant investments that Fairfax does not have the capacity to fund.

Also, think of the deer and the foxes, as well as the occasional bear.

DP and agree that high density housing should be spread throughout Fairfax. So while they’re adding all the multi-family buildings in Tysons, they should just make 50% of them low income. That starts to de-concentrate poverty and since it was going to be high density housing for rich people, there’s no difference in the “significant investments” or impact on the deer and foxes [wink, wink]. Offering a variety of housing in every area of the county would be good for the environment because then people could live closer to where they work.

I believe right now all development in Fairfax has to offer some percent set aside for low income individuals. I think this should not only not be required for areas with already-high poverty, but should actually be prohibited in areas with already-high poverty.

I’m talking not putting high density where we still have large tracts of land; wherever that is and whatever the income level of the current residents.

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Anonymous wrote:The solution for Lewis is to make it a CTE trade school and allow everyone who wants a more academic path to transfer out. That’s basically what’s happening now, but they need to stop even attempting to make Lewis fit all types of students when it’s so heavily FARMS and 1st gen. Put the resources there to serve that population and let those who don’t fit go elsewhere.

You do have to ask though - How did it get to this point? Why was it allowed to happen? Why were decisions made that hastened the demise?

That's what happens when you concentrate poverty. MVHS should get similar treatment

People move where they want to live. Families, job, cheaper houses, commute, walkable neighborhood, ethnic communities...

Recent immigrants have always chosen to live in communities with similar religious and cultural ties. Where I grew up in the midwest, the Irish, Italians, Polish and Germans all had consentrated residential areas where they chose to live. There was comfort and community in being around their native language, cultures, food and extended families.

That seems to be largely what is happening in some areas of ffx county. It is a natural part of immigration, and one that I and many other first and second generation immigrants experienced as a member of an immigrant family.

It just seems laughable that you want to blame FCPS for what is a very natural process of immigrating and intergrating to a new society.

People live where they can afford to live. In Fairfax, that is a couple of small areas that sit within a few pyramids. The county caused it by zoning and policy that concentres poverty

There are very practical infrastructure reasons why it is not beneficial to have high density housing development evenly spread throughout the county. It is more cost effective to make targeted infrastructure upgrades in specific areas designated for high density housing. The county will need to expand capacity of the sewer system. water supply and roads networks to accommodatehigher density areas and the entire network will require capacity upgrades if the highest density housing is evenly distributed throughout the county. The policy you are suggesting will require significant investments that Fairfax does not have the capacity to fund.

Now that the silver line is complete, there is access to public transportation within bounds for McLean and near Langley. Let’s see if Fairfax puts up any massive section 8 complexes there

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Anonymous wrote:The solution for Lewis is to make it a CTE trade school and allow everyone who wants a more academic path to transfer out. That’s basically what’s happening now, but they need to stop even attempting to make Lewis fit all types of students when it’s so heavily FARMS and 1st gen. Put the resources there to serve that population and let those who don’t fit go elsewhere.

You do have to ask though - How did it get to this point? Why was it allowed to happen? Why were decisions made that hastened the demise?

That's what happens when you concentrate poverty. MVHS should get similar treatment

People move where they want to live. Families, job, cheaper houses, commute, walkable neighborhood, ethnic communities...

Recent immigrants have always chosen to live in communities with similar religious and cultural ties. Where I grew up in the midwest, the Irish, Italians, Polish and Germans all had consentrated residential areas where they chose to live. There was comfort and community in being around their native language, cultures, food and extended families.

That seems to be largely what is happening in some areas of ffx county. It is a natural part of immigration, and one that I and many other first and second generation immigrants experienced as a member of an immigrant family.

It just seems laughable that you want to blame FCPS for what is a very natural process of immigrating and intergrating to a new society.

People live where they can afford to live. In Fairfax, that is a couple of small areas that sit within a few pyramids. The county caused it by zoning and policy that concentres poverty

There are very practical infrastructure reasons why it is not beneficial to have high density housing development evenly spread throughout the county. It is more cost effective to make targeted infrastructure upgrades in specific areas designated for high density housing. The county will need to expand capacity of the sewer system. water supply and roads networks to accommodatehigher density areas and the entire network will require capacity upgrades if the highest density housing is evenly distributed throughout the county. The policy you are suggesting will require significant investments that Fairfax does not have the capacity to fund.

Now that the silver line is complete, there is access to public transportation within bounds for McLean and near Langley. Let’s see if Fairfax puts up any massive section 8 complexes there

Every new apartment building in Tysons has affordable housing set-asides and there are also multiple all-affordable housing complexes planned and/or under construction now in Tysons. They will feed into Marshall and McLean. Elaine Tholen made sure no multi-family housing of any kind feeds to Langley.

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Anonymous wrote:The solution for Lewis is to make it a CTE trade school and allow everyone who wants a more academic path to transfer out. That’s basically what’s happening now, but they need to stop even attempting to make Lewis fit all types of students when it’s so heavily FARMS and 1st gen. Put the resources there to serve that population and let those who don’t fit go elsewhere.

You do have to ask though - How did it get to this point? Why was it allowed to happen? Why were decisions made that hastened the demise?

That's what happens when you concentrate poverty. MVHS should get similar treatment

People move where they want to live. Families, job, cheaper houses, commute, walkable neighborhood, ethnic communities...

Recent immigrants have always chosen to live in communities with similar religious and cultural ties. Where I grew up in the midwest, the Irish, Italians, Polish and Germans all had consentrated residential areas where they chose to live. There was comfort and community in being around their native language, cultures, food and extended families.

That seems to be largely what is happening in some areas of ffx county. It is a natural part of immigration, and one that I and many other first and second generation immigrants experienced as a member of an immigrant family.

It just seems laughable that you want to blame FCPS for what is a very natural process of immigrating and intergrating to a new society.

People live where they can afford to live. In Fairfax, that is a couple of small areas that sit within a few pyramids. The county caused it by zoning and policy that concentres poverty

There are very practical infrastructure reasons why it is not beneficial to have high density housing development evenly spread throughout the county. It is more cost effective to make targeted infrastructure upgrades in specific areas designated for high density housing. The county will need to expand capacity of the sewer system. water supply and roads networks to accommodatehigher density areas and the entire network will require capacity upgrades if the highest density housing is evenly distributed throughout the county. The policy you are suggesting will require significant investments that Fairfax does not have the capacity to fund.

Now that the silver line is complete, there is access to public transportation within bounds for McLean and near Langley. Let’s see if Fairfax puts up any massive section 8 complexes there

Every new apartment building in Tysons has affordable housing set-asides and there are also multiple all-affordable housing complexes planned and/or under construction now in Tysons. They will feed into Marshall and McLean. Elaine Tholen made sure no multi-family housing of any kind feeds to Langley.

I'll believe that the county is serious about it when McLean's FARMS rate approaches the 20 or 40% the board thinks is acceptable for the other side of the county

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No thanks to the high-rise housing.

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Anonymous wrote:Trying to sort out the number of transfers out of Lewis and it is hard to reconcile the data on the county's site. The 'Student Transfers' tab shows Lewis with 226 transfers out. If you look at the "Transfer by Attending School" tab and check all of the high schools for Lewis transfers you can only find 149. My guess is that some group of transfers, probably something along the lines of special education, are not included in the numbers on the 'Transfer by Attending School' tab.

50 to Edison - since they also have IB it is not that. Likely the STEM academy and maybe a different language
33 to TJ
24 to Lake Braddock - most likely for AP as West Springfield is closed. Also, LB serves as the middle school AAP center for some Lewis students and these are likely students who pupil placed to stay; this could be stopped by putting AP back in at Lewis and putting AAP in all middle schools
19 to Bryant
13 to Mt. Vernon - I have no idea.
10 to various high schools - this may be teachers transferring their children as it is literally one each to 10 different high schools.

Not sure how many of these students you will be able to bring back - perhaps some of the Edison and the Lake Braddock group.

It is not 1 each to 10 different schools. 1 is the number assigned for 10 or fewer transfers to a school since they don’t provide the precise number based on purported privacy concerns.

Ok. Missed that. Those schools were Annandale, Fairfax, Hayfield, Justice, Langley, Robinson, South County, West Potomac, West Springfield, and Woodson. I imagine a couple of those are closer to 10, like Hayfield and South County, and others like Langley, Justice, and Fairfax are closer to 1. West Springfield should be low because it is supposed to be closed, but I imagine teachers can get their kids in.

To get to that 226 transfer number there would have to be 87 at those 10 schools (having already accounted for the other 139). That is an average of 8.7 per school which seems very unlikely for the likes of Langley, Justice, and Fairfax.

The county still has other regional or county-wide programs for high school students. They aren’t displayed on the dashboard but it’s possible some of the reported transfers out of Lewis were to those specialized programs.

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Anonymous wrote:The solution for Lewis is to make it a CTE trade school and allow everyone who wants a more academic path to transfer out. That’s basically what’s happening now, but they need to stop even attempting to make Lewis fit all types of students when it’s so heavily FARMS and 1st gen. Put the resources there to serve that population and let those who don’t fit go elsewhere.

You do have to ask though - How did it get to this point? Why was it allowed to happen? Why were decisions made that hastened the demise?

That's what happens when you concentrate poverty. MVHS should get similar treatment

People move where they want to live. Families, job, cheaper houses, commute, walkable neighborhood, ethnic communities...

Recent immigrants have always chosen to live in communities with similar religious and cultural ties. Where I grew up in the midwest, the Irish, Italians, Polish and Germans all had consentrated residential areas where they chose to live. There was comfort and community in being around their native language, cultures, food and extended families.

That seems to be largely what is happening in some areas of ffx county. It is a natural part of immigration, and one that I and many other first and second generation immigrants experienced as a member of an immigrant family.

It just seems laughable that you want to blame FCPS for what is a very natural process of immigrating and intergrating to a new society.

LOL choice?

Presumably new residents were not brought to this country in chains and forced to live in a particularly city/state.

If that’s not the case, we have an entirely different problem.

No, as has happened throughout the history of this nation, if someone wants to come here and cannot afford it, they stay with relatives or friends. There is no real choice other than coming to the US. That is how chain migration often works. The 19th century immigrants often took in boarders, usually men, who rented a bed or room. They hoped to save money to move to another apartment or duplex and do the same.

So many areas are off limits to families who have been here for generations due to the high costs. Some people have few real options.

I am far from anti-immigrant. I think the border wall is dumb and that we need immigrants given our aging population and they should be welcome in the US. However, I think there are limits to how much we need to roll out the red carpet. For instance, I don’t think we need to redistrict the entire county to accommodate an influx of immigrants, and, while I am on board with public school for all, I don’t think it has to be at the expense of current students.

You know that in the past 10 years demographics of some pyramids have changed radically. Immigrants don’t just arrive with babies. They come with teenagers as well. Some of these families are directed to go to certain areas by NGOs but Also government entities that determine where to put low-income housing.

What you are saying is that recent poor immigrants should continue to be directed to those areas and kept there at the expense of someone else’s pyramids.

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Anonymous wrote:The solution for Lewis is to make it a CTE trade school and allow everyone who wants a more academic path to transfer out. That’s basically what’s happening now, but they need to stop even attempting to make Lewis fit all types of students when it’s so heavily FARMS and 1st gen. Put the resources there to serve that population and let those who don’t fit go elsewhere.

You do have to ask though - How did it get to this point? Why was it allowed to happen? Why were decisions made that hastened the demise?

That's what happens when you concentrate poverty. MVHS should get similar treatment

People move where they want to live. Families, job, cheaper houses, commute, walkable neighborhood, ethnic communities...

Recent immigrants have always chosen to live in communities with similar religious and cultural ties. Where I grew up in the midwest, the Irish, Italians, Polish and Germans all had consentrated residential areas where they chose to live. There was comfort and community in being around their native language, cultures, food and extended families.

That seems to be largely what is happening in some areas of ffx county. It is a natural part of immigration, and one that I and many other first and second generation immigrants experienced as a member of an immigrant family.

It just seems laughable that you want to blame FCPS for what is a very natural process of immigrating and intergrating to a new society.

LOL choice?

Presumably new residents were not brought to this country in chains and forced to live in a particularly city/state.

If that’s not the case, we have an entirely different problem.

No, as has happened throughout the history of this nation, if someone wants to come here and cannot afford it, they stay with relatives or friends. There is no real choice other than coming to the US. That is how chain migration often works. The 19th century immigrants often took in boarders, usually men, who rented a bed or room. They hoped to save money to move to another apartment or duplex and do the same.

So many areas are off limits to families who have been here for generations due to the high costs. Some people have few real options.

I am far from anti-immigrant. I think the border wall is dumb and that we need immigrants given our aging population and they should be welcome in the US. However, I think there are limits to how much we need to roll out the red carpet. For instance, I don’t think we need to redistrict the entire county to accommodate an influx of immigrants, and, while I am on board with public school for all, I don’t think it has to be at the expense of current students.

So is there a large number of immigrant children in the schools your children attend? Otherwise, you are basically saying, sure, let them in, just don't put those kids in my schools. This is exactly how many people in this county think.

So are there any immigrants living in your spare bedroom? Otherwise, you are basically saying, sure, let them in, just don’t put those immigrants near me. If so, that is exactly how you think.

See I can play this game too.

What I’m saying is that a county redistricting comes at a huge huge cost to the residents of the county, and leveling the playing field for immigrants isn’t a good enough justification IMHO.

Anyway, as the PPs mention, let’s just close the sieve that allows for net school outflow to be 10-15% of an under performing school and, voila, we solve all the problems.

Again, the transfers out are not all to escape a bad school. For example, we see a trend where families cycle between rentals, usually apartments, in different zones. In those cases, population remains more stable if you look at the group of schools as a single unit.

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Anonymous wrote:The solution for Lewis is to make it a CTE trade school and allow everyone who wants a more academic path to transfer out. That’s basically what’s happening now, but they need to stop even attempting to make Lewis fit all types of students when it’s so heavily FARMS and 1st gen. Put the resources there to serve that population and let those who don’t fit go elsewhere.

You do have to ask though - How did it get to this point? Why was it allowed to happen? Why were decisions made that hastened the demise?

That's what happens when you concentrate poverty. MVHS should get similar treatment

People move where they want to live. Families, job, cheaper houses, commute, walkable neighborhood, ethnic communities...

Recent immigrants have always chosen to live in communities with similar religious and cultural ties. Where I grew up in the midwest, the Irish, Italians, Polish and Germans all had consentrated residential areas where they chose to live. There was comfort and community in being around their native language, cultures, food and extended families.

That seems to be largely what is happening in some areas of ffx county. It is a natural part of immigration, and one that I and many other first and second generation immigrants experienced as a member of an immigrant family.

It just seems laughable that you want to blame FCPS for what is a very natural process of immigrating and intergrating to a new society.

LOL choice?

Presumably new residents were not brought to this country in chains and forced to live in a particularly city/state.

If that’s not the case, we have an entirely different problem.

No, as has happened throughout the history of this nation, if someone wants to come here and cannot afford it, they stay with relatives or friends. There is no real choice other than coming to the US. That is how chain migration often works. The 19th century immigrants often took in boarders, usually men, who rented a bed or room. They hoped to save money to move to another apartment or duplex and do the same.

So many areas are off limits to families who have been here for generations due to the high costs. Some people have few real options.

I am far from anti-immigrant. I think the border wall is dumb and that we need immigrants given our aging population and they should be welcome in the US. However, I think there are limits to how much we need to roll out the red carpet. For instance, I don’t think we need to redistrict the entire county to accommodate an influx of immigrants, and, while I am on board with public school for all, I don’t think it has to be at the expense of current students.

You know that in the past 10 years demographics of some pyramids have changed radically. Immigrants don’t just arrive with babies. They come with teenagers as well. Some of these families are directed to go to certain areas by NGOs but Also government entities that determine where to put low-income housing.

What you are saying is that recent poor immigrants should continue to be directed to those areas and kept there at the expense of someone else’s pyramids.

Nope. What I’m saying is what I wrote in my post, not what your flawed attempt to justify your relatively extreme positions leads you to believe.

You don’t speak for me.

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Anonymous wrote:The solution for Lewis is to make it a CTE trade school and allow everyone who wants a more academic path to transfer out. That’s basically what’s happening now, but they need to stop even attempting to make Lewis fit all types of students when it’s so heavily FARMS and 1st gen. Put the resources there to serve that population and let those who don’t fit go elsewhere.

You do have to ask though - How did it get to this point? Why was it allowed to happen? Why were decisions made that hastened the demise?

That's what happens when you concentrate poverty. MVHS should get similar treatment

People move where they want to live. Families, job, cheaper houses, commute, walkable neighborhood, ethnic communities...

Recent immigrants have always chosen to live in communities with similar religious and cultural ties. Where I grew up in the midwest, the Irish, Italians, Polish and Germans all had consentrated residential areas where they chose to live. There was comfort and community in being around their native language, cultures, food and extended families.

That seems to be largely what is happening in some areas of ffx county. It is a natural part of immigration, and one that I and many other first and second generation immigrants experienced as a member of an immigrant family.

It just seems laughable that you want to blame FCPS for what is a very natural process of immigrating and intergrating to a new society.

LOL choice?

Presumably new residents were not brought to this country in chains and forced to live in a particularly city/state.

If that’s not the case, we have an entirely different problem.

No, as has happened throughout the history of this nation, if someone wants to come here and cannot afford it, they stay with relatives or friends. There is no real choice other than coming to the US. That is how chain migration often works. The 19th century immigrants often took in boarders, usually men, who rented a bed or room. They hoped to save money to move to another apartment or duplex and do the same.

So many areas are off limits to families who have been here for generations due to the high costs. Some people have few real options.

I am far from anti-immigrant. I think the border wall is dumb and that we need immigrants given our aging population and they should be welcome in the US. However, I think there are limits to how much we need to roll out the red carpet. For instance, I don’t think we need to redistrict the entire county to accommodate an influx of immigrants, and, while I am on board with public school for all, I don’t think it has to be at the expense of current students.

So is there a large number of immigrant children in the schools your children attend? Otherwise, you are basically saying, sure, let them in, just don't put those kids in my schools. This is exactly how many people in this county think.

So are there any immigrants living in your spare bedroom? Otherwise, you are basically saying, sure, let them in, just don’t put those immigrants near me. If so, that is exactly how you think.

See I can play this game too.

What I’m saying is that a county redistricting comes at a huge huge cost to the residents of the county, and leveling the playing field for immigrants isn’t a good enough justification IMHO.

Anyway, as the PPs mention, let’s just close the sieve that allows for net school outflow to be 10-15% of an under performing school and, voila, we solve all the problems.

Again, the transfers out are not all to escape a bad school. For example, we see a trend where families cycle between rentals, usually apartments, in different zones. In those cases, population remains more stable if you look at the group of schools as a single unit.

Most transfers are to escape the underperforming school. That’s why the underperforming schools have humongous net outflow while the better performing schools don’t. It’s really not hard to see that in the data.

If we really care about using available seats, that’s the absolute first place to start.

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Anonymous wrote:The solution for Lewis is to make it a CTE trade school and allow everyone who wants a more academic path to transfer out. That’s basically what’s happening now, but they need to stop even attempting to make Lewis fit all types of students when it’s so heavily FARMS and 1st gen. Put the resources there to serve that population and let those who don’t fit go elsewhere.

You do have to ask though - How did it get to this point? Why was it allowed to happen? Why were decisions made that hastened the demise?

That's what happens when you concentrate poverty. MVHS should get similar treatment

People move where they want to live. Families, job, cheaper houses, commute, walkable neighborhood, ethnic communities...

Recent immigrants have always chosen to live in communities with similar religious and cultural ties. Where I grew up in the midwest, the Irish, Italians, Polish and Germans all had consentrated residential areas where they chose to live. There was comfort and community in being around their native language, cultures, food and extended families.

That seems to be largely what is happening in some areas of ffx county. It is a natural part of immigration, and one that I and many other first and second generation immigrants experienced as a member of an immigrant family.

It just seems laughable that you want to blame FCPS for what is a very natural process of immigrating and intergrating to a new society.

People live where they can afford to live. In Fairfax, that is a couple of small areas that sit within a few pyramids. The county caused it by zoning and policy that concentres poverty

There are very practical infrastructure reasons why it is not beneficial to have high density housing development evenly spread throughout the county. It is more cost effective to make targeted infrastructure upgrades in specific areas designated for high density housing. The county will need to expand capacity of the sewer system. water supply and roads networks to accommodatehigher density areas and the entire network will require capacity upgrades if the highest density housing is evenly distributed throughout the county. The policy you are suggesting will require significant investments that Fairfax does not have the capacity to fund.

Now that the silver line is complete, there is access to public transportation within bounds for McLean and near Langley. Let’s see if Fairfax puts up any massive section 8 complexes there

Every new apartment building in Tysons has affordable housing set-asides and there are also multiple all-affordable housing complexes planned and/or under construction now in Tysons. They will feed into Marshall and McLean. Elaine Tholen made sure no multi-family housing of any kind feeds to Langley.

The new low-income units in Tysons are going to tank school performance at Marshall and McLean. The school performance death spiral will begin in these pyramids soon.

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Anonymous wrote:The solution for Lewis is to make it a CTE trade school and allow everyone who wants a more academic path to transfer out. That’s basically what’s happening now, but they need to stop even attempting to make Lewis fit all types of students when it’s so heavily FARMS and 1st gen. Put the resources there to serve that population and let those who don’t fit go elsewhere.

You do have to ask though - How did it get to this point? Why was it allowed to happen? Why were decisions made that hastened the demise?

That's what happens when you concentrate poverty. MVHS should get similar treatment

People move where they want to live. Families, job, cheaper houses, commute, walkable neighborhood, ethnic communities...

Recent immigrants have always chosen to live in communities with similar religious and cultural ties. Where I grew up in the midwest, the Irish, Italians, Polish and Germans all had consentrated residential areas where they chose to live. There was comfort and community in being around their native language, cultures, food and extended families.

That seems to be largely what is happening in some areas of ffx county. It is a natural part of immigration, and one that I and many other first and second generation immigrants experienced as a member of an immigrant family.

It just seems laughable that you want to blame FCPS for what is a very natural process of immigrating and intergrating to a new society.

People live where they can afford to live. In Fairfax, that is a couple of small areas that sit within a few pyramids. The county caused it by zoning and policy that concentres poverty

There are very practical infrastructure reasons why it is not beneficial to have high density housing development evenly spread throughout the county. It is more cost effective to make targeted infrastructure upgrades in specific areas designated for high density housing. The county will need to expand capacity of the sewer system. water supply and roads networks to accommodatehigher density areas and the entire network will require capacity upgrades if the highest density housing is evenly distributed throughout the county. The policy you are suggesting will require significant investments that Fairfax does not have the capacity to fund.

Now that the silver line is complete, there is access to public transportation within bounds for McLean and near Langley. Let’s see if Fairfax puts up any massive section 8 complexes there

Every new apartment building in Tysons has affordable housing set-asides and there are also multiple all-affordable housing complexes planned and/or under construction now in Tysons. They will feed into Marshall and McLean. Elaine Tholen made sure no multi-family housing of any kind feeds to Langley.

The new low-income units in Tysons are going to tank school performance at Marshall and McLean. The school performance death spiral will begin in these pyramids soon.

That would be a good thing for the county to witness, and not because I want to see the downfall of McLean, but because McLean would be a shining example of how schools are still "good" despite having poor kids attend.

The good half of McLean would be winning academic awards rivaling TJ while GreatSchools ranks it a 4 just because some ELL kids fail their SOLs. Everyone would finally realize what a bunch of nonsense the rankings are. Who cares what the ESOL kids are scoring? The AP kids at McLean would still be at the top of the county.