FCPS HS Boundary

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Anonymous wrote:The solution for Lewis is to make it a CTE trade school and allow everyone who wants a more academic path to transfer out. That’s basically what’s happening now, but they need to stop even attempting to make Lewis fit all types of students when it’s so heavily FARMS and 1st gen. Put the resources there to serve that population and let those who don’t fit go elsewhere.

You do have to ask though - How did it get to this point? Why was it allowed to happen? Why were decisions made that hastened the demise?

That's what happens when you concentrate poverty. MVHS should get similar treatment

People move where they want to live. Families, job, cheaper houses, commute, walkable neighborhood, ethnic communities...

Recent immigrants have always chosen to live in communities with similar religious and cultural ties. Where I grew up in the midwest, the Irish, Italians, Polish and Germans all had consentrated residential areas where they chose to live. There was comfort and community in being around their native language, cultures, food and extended families.

That seems to be largely what is happening in some areas of ffx county. It is a natural part of immigration, and one that I and many other first and second generation immigrants experienced as a member of an immigrant family.

It just seems laughable that you want to blame FCPS for what is a very natural process of immigrating and intergrating to a new society.

LOL choice?

Presumably new residents were not brought to this country in chains and forced to live in a particularly city/state.

If that’s not the case, we have an entirely different problem.

No, as has happened throughout the history of this nation, if someone wants to come here and cannot afford it, they stay with relatives or friends. There is no real choice other than coming to the US. That is how chain migration often works. The 19th century immigrants often took in boarders, usually men, who rented a bed or room. They hoped to save money to move to another apartment or duplex and do the same.

So many areas are off limits to families who have been here for generations due to the high costs. Some people have few real options.

I am far from anti-immigrant. I think the border wall is dumb and that we need immigrants given our aging population and they should be welcome in the US. However, I think there are limits to how much we need to roll out the red carpet. For instance, I don’t think we need to redistrict the entire county to accommodate an influx of immigrants, and, while I am on board with public school for all, I don’t think it has to be at the expense of current students.

So is there a large number of immigrant children in the schools your children attend? Otherwise, you are basically saying, sure, let them in, just don't put those kids in my schools. This is exactly how many people in this county think.

So are there any immigrants living in your spare bedroom? Otherwise, you are basically saying, sure, let them in, just don’t put those immigrants near me. If so, that is exactly how you think.

See I can play this game too.

What I’m saying is that a county redistricting comes at a huge huge cost to the residents of the county, and leveling the playing field for immigrants isn’t a good enough justification IMHO.

Anyway, as the PPs mention, let’s just close the sieve that allows for net school outflow to be 10-15% of an under performing school and, voila, we solve all the problems.

Again, the transfers out are not all to escape a bad school. For example, we see a trend where families cycle between rentals, usually apartments, in different zones. In those cases, population remains more stable if you look at the group of schools as a single unit.

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Anonymous wrote:The solution for Lewis is to make it a CTE trade school and allow everyone who wants a more academic path to transfer out. That’s basically what’s happening now, but they need to stop even attempting to make Lewis fit all types of students when it’s so heavily FARMS and 1st gen. Put the resources there to serve that population and let those who don’t fit go elsewhere.

You do have to ask though - How did it get to this point? Why was it allowed to happen? Why were decisions made that hastened the demise?

That's what happens when you concentrate poverty. MVHS should get similar treatment

People move where they want to live. Families, job, cheaper houses, commute, walkable neighborhood, ethnic communities...

Recent immigrants have always chosen to live in communities with similar religious and cultural ties. Where I grew up in the midwest, the Irish, Italians, Polish and Germans all had consentrated residential areas where they chose to live. There was comfort and community in being around their native language, cultures, food and extended families.

That seems to be largely what is happening in some areas of ffx county. It is a natural part of immigration, and one that I and many other first and second generation immigrants experienced as a member of an immigrant family.

It just seems laughable that you want to blame FCPS for what is a very natural process of immigrating and intergrating to a new society.

LOL choice?

Presumably new residents were not brought to this country in chains and forced to live in a particularly city/state.

If that’s not the case, we have an entirely different problem.

No, as has happened throughout the history of this nation, if someone wants to come here and cannot afford it, they stay with relatives or friends. There is no real choice other than coming to the US. That is how chain migration often works. The 19th century immigrants often took in boarders, usually men, who rented a bed or room. They hoped to save money to move to another apartment or duplex and do the same.

So many areas are off limits to families who have been here for generations due to the high costs. Some people have few real options.

I am far from anti-immigrant. I think the border wall is dumb and that we need immigrants given our aging population and they should be welcome in the US. However, I think there are limits to how much we need to roll out the red carpet. For instance, I don’t think we need to redistrict the entire county to accommodate an influx of immigrants, and, while I am on board with public school for all, I don’t think it has to be at the expense of current students.

You know that in the past 10 years demographics of some pyramids have changed radically. Immigrants don’t just arrive with babies. They come with teenagers as well. Some of these families are directed to go to certain areas by NGOs but Also government entities that determine where to put low-income housing.

What you are saying is that recent poor immigrants should continue to be directed to those areas and kept there at the expense of someone else’s pyramids.

Nope. What I’m saying is what I wrote in my post, not what your flawed attempt to justify your relatively extreme positions leads you to believe.

You don’t speak for me.

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Anonymous wrote:The solution for Lewis is to make it a CTE trade school and allow everyone who wants a more academic path to transfer out. That’s basically what’s happening now, but they need to stop even attempting to make Lewis fit all types of students when it’s so heavily FARMS and 1st gen. Put the resources there to serve that population and let those who don’t fit go elsewhere.

You do have to ask though - How did it get to this point? Why was it allowed to happen? Why were decisions made that hastened the demise?

That's what happens when you concentrate poverty. MVHS should get similar treatment

People move where they want to live. Families, job, cheaper houses, commute, walkable neighborhood, ethnic communities...

Recent immigrants have always chosen to live in communities with similar religious and cultural ties. Where I grew up in the midwest, the Irish, Italians, Polish and Germans all had consentrated residential areas where they chose to live. There was comfort and community in being around their native language, cultures, food and extended families.

That seems to be largely what is happening in some areas of ffx county. It is a natural part of immigration, and one that I and many other first and second generation immigrants experienced as a member of an immigrant family.

It just seems laughable that you want to blame FCPS for what is a very natural process of immigrating and intergrating to a new society.

LOL choice?

Presumably new residents were not brought to this country in chains and forced to live in a particularly city/state.

If that’s not the case, we have an entirely different problem.

No, as has happened throughout the history of this nation, if someone wants to come here and cannot afford it, they stay with relatives or friends. There is no real choice other than coming to the US. That is how chain migration often works. The 19th century immigrants often took in boarders, usually men, who rented a bed or room. They hoped to save money to move to another apartment or duplex and do the same.

So many areas are off limits to families who have been here for generations due to the high costs. Some people have few real options.

I am far from anti-immigrant. I think the border wall is dumb and that we need immigrants given our aging population and they should be welcome in the US. However, I think there are limits to how much we need to roll out the red carpet. For instance, I don’t think we need to redistrict the entire county to accommodate an influx of immigrants, and, while I am on board with public school for all, I don’t think it has to be at the expense of current students.

So is there a large number of immigrant children in the schools your children attend? Otherwise, you are basically saying, sure, let them in, just don't put those kids in my schools. This is exactly how many people in this county think.

So are there any immigrants living in your spare bedroom? Otherwise, you are basically saying, sure, let them in, just don’t put those immigrants near me. If so, that is exactly how you think.

See I can play this game too.

What I’m saying is that a county redistricting comes at a huge huge cost to the residents of the county, and leveling the playing field for immigrants isn’t a good enough justification IMHO.

Anyway, as the PPs mention, let’s just close the sieve that allows for net school outflow to be 10-15% of an under performing school and, voila, we solve all the problems.

Again, the transfers out are not all to escape a bad school. For example, we see a trend where families cycle between rentals, usually apartments, in different zones. In those cases, population remains more stable if you look at the group of schools as a single unit.

Most transfers are to escape the underperforming school. That’s why the underperforming schools have humongous net outflow while the better performing schools don’t. It’s really not hard to see that in the data.

If we really care about using available seats, that’s the absolute first place to start.

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Anonymous wrote:The solution for Lewis is to make it a CTE trade school and allow everyone who wants a more academic path to transfer out. That’s basically what’s happening now, but they need to stop even attempting to make Lewis fit all types of students when it’s so heavily FARMS and 1st gen. Put the resources there to serve that population and let those who don’t fit go elsewhere.

You do have to ask though - How did it get to this point? Why was it allowed to happen? Why were decisions made that hastened the demise?

That's what happens when you concentrate poverty. MVHS should get similar treatment

People move where they want to live. Families, job, cheaper houses, commute, walkable neighborhood, ethnic communities...

Recent immigrants have always chosen to live in communities with similar religious and cultural ties. Where I grew up in the midwest, the Irish, Italians, Polish and Germans all had consentrated residential areas where they chose to live. There was comfort and community in being around their native language, cultures, food and extended families.

That seems to be largely what is happening in some areas of ffx county. It is a natural part of immigration, and one that I and many other first and second generation immigrants experienced as a member of an immigrant family.

It just seems laughable that you want to blame FCPS for what is a very natural process of immigrating and intergrating to a new society.

People live where they can afford to live. In Fairfax, that is a couple of small areas that sit within a few pyramids. The county caused it by zoning and policy that concentres poverty

There are very practical infrastructure reasons why it is not beneficial to have high density housing development evenly spread throughout the county. It is more cost effective to make targeted infrastructure upgrades in specific areas designated for high density housing. The county will need to expand capacity of the sewer system. water supply and roads networks to accommodatehigher density areas and the entire network will require capacity upgrades if the highest density housing is evenly distributed throughout the county. The policy you are suggesting will require significant investments that Fairfax does not have the capacity to fund.

Now that the silver line is complete, there is access to public transportation within bounds for McLean and near Langley. Let’s see if Fairfax puts up any massive section 8 complexes there

Every new apartment building in Tysons has affordable housing set-asides and there are also multiple all-affordable housing complexes planned and/or under construction now in Tysons. They will feed into Marshall and McLean. Elaine Tholen made sure no multi-family housing of any kind feeds to Langley.

The new low-income units in Tysons are going to tank school performance at Marshall and McLean. The school performance death spiral will begin in these pyramids soon.

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Anonymous wrote:The solution for Lewis is to make it a CTE trade school and allow everyone who wants a more academic path to transfer out. That’s basically what’s happening now, but they need to stop even attempting to make Lewis fit all types of students when it’s so heavily FARMS and 1st gen. Put the resources there to serve that population and let those who don’t fit go elsewhere.

You do have to ask though - How did it get to this point? Why was it allowed to happen? Why were decisions made that hastened the demise?

That's what happens when you concentrate poverty. MVHS should get similar treatment

People move where they want to live. Families, job, cheaper houses, commute, walkable neighborhood, ethnic communities...

Recent immigrants have always chosen to live in communities with similar religious and cultural ties. Where I grew up in the midwest, the Irish, Italians, Polish and Germans all had consentrated residential areas where they chose to live. There was comfort and community in being around their native language, cultures, food and extended families.

That seems to be largely what is happening in some areas of ffx county. It is a natural part of immigration, and one that I and many other first and second generation immigrants experienced as a member of an immigrant family.

It just seems laughable that you want to blame FCPS for what is a very natural process of immigrating and intergrating to a new society.

People live where they can afford to live. In Fairfax, that is a couple of small areas that sit within a few pyramids. The county caused it by zoning and policy that concentres poverty

There are very practical infrastructure reasons why it is not beneficial to have high density housing development evenly spread throughout the county. It is more cost effective to make targeted infrastructure upgrades in specific areas designated for high density housing. The county will need to expand capacity of the sewer system. water supply and roads networks to accommodatehigher density areas and the entire network will require capacity upgrades if the highest density housing is evenly distributed throughout the county. The policy you are suggesting will require significant investments that Fairfax does not have the capacity to fund.

Now that the silver line is complete, there is access to public transportation within bounds for McLean and near Langley. Let’s see if Fairfax puts up any massive section 8 complexes there

Every new apartment building in Tysons has affordable housing set-asides and there are also multiple all-affordable housing complexes planned and/or under construction now in Tysons. They will feed into Marshall and McLean. Elaine Tholen made sure no multi-family housing of any kind feeds to Langley.

The new low-income units in Tysons are going to tank school performance at Marshall and McLean. The school performance death spiral will begin in these pyramids soon.

That would be a good thing for the county to witness, and not because I want to see the downfall of McLean, but because McLean would be a shining example of how schools are still "good" despite having poor kids attend.

The good half of McLean would be winning academic awards rivaling TJ while GreatSchools ranks it a 4 just because some ELL kids fail their SOLs. Everyone would finally realize what a bunch of nonsense the rankings are. Who cares what the ESOL kids are scoring? The AP kids at McLean would still be at the top of the county.

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Anonymous wrote:The solution for Lewis is to make it a CTE trade school and allow everyone who wants a more academic path to transfer out. That’s basically what’s happening now, but they need to stop even attempting to make Lewis fit all types of students when it’s so heavily FARMS and 1st gen. Put the resources there to serve that population and let those who don’t fit go elsewhere.

You do have to ask though - How did it get to this point? Why was it allowed to happen? Why were decisions made that hastened the demise?

That's what happens when you concentrate poverty. MVHS should get similar treatment

People move where they want to live. Families, job, cheaper houses, commute, walkable neighborhood, ethnic communities...

Recent immigrants have always chosen to live in communities with similar religious and cultural ties. Where I grew up in the midwest, the Irish, Italians, Polish and Germans all had consentrated residential areas where they chose to live. There was comfort and community in being around their native language, cultures, food and extended families.

That seems to be largely what is happening in some areas of ffx county. It is a natural part of immigration, and one that I and many other first and second generation immigrants experienced as a member of an immigrant family.

It just seems laughable that you want to blame FCPS for what is a very natural process of immigrating and intergrating to a new society.

People live where they can afford to live. In Fairfax, that is a couple of small areas that sit within a few pyramids. The county caused it by zoning and policy that concentres poverty

There are very practical infrastructure reasons why it is not beneficial to have high density housing development evenly spread throughout the county. It is more cost effective to make targeted infrastructure upgrades in specific areas designated for high density housing. The county will need to expand capacity of the sewer system. water supply and roads networks to accommodatehigher density areas and the entire network will require capacity upgrades if the highest density housing is evenly distributed throughout the county. The policy you are suggesting will require significant investments that Fairfax does not have the capacity to fund.

Now that the silver line is complete, there is access to public transportation within bounds for McLean and near Langley. Let’s see if Fairfax puts up any massive section 8 complexes there

Every new apartment building in Tysons has affordable housing set-asides and there are also multiple all-affordable housing complexes planned and/or under construction now in Tysons. They will feed into Marshall and McLean. Elaine Tholen made sure no multi-family housing of any kind feeds to Langley.

The new low-income units in Tysons are going to tank school performance at Marshall and McLean. The school performance death spiral will begin in these pyramids soon.

That would be a good thing for the county to witness, and not because I want to see the downfall of McLean, but because McLean would be a shining example of how schools are still "good" despite having poor kids attend.

The good half of McLean would be winning academic awards rivaling TJ while GreatSchools ranks it a 4 just because some ELL kids fail their SOLs. Everyone would finally realize what a bunch of nonsense the rankings are. Who cares what the ESOL kids are scoring? The AP kids at McLean would still be at the top of the county.

Many Parents will interpret lower tests scores as a sign the school is declining. People do not want to send their kids to schools with low test scores regardless of the reason. The end result is that meaningful portion of people will change school attendance zones, relocate to other school districts or enroll in private school which creates a school performance death spiral.

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Anonymous wrote:The solution for Lewis is to make it a CTE trade school and allow everyone who wants a more academic path to transfer out. That’s basically what’s happening now, but they need to stop even attempting to make Lewis fit all types of students when it’s so heavily FARMS and 1st gen. Put the resources there to serve that population and let those who don’t fit go elsewhere.

You do have to ask though - How did it get to this point? Why was it allowed to happen? Why were decisions made that hastened the demise?

That's what happens when you concentrate poverty. MVHS should get similar treatment

People move where they want to live. Families, job, cheaper houses, commute, walkable neighborhood, ethnic communities...

Recent immigrants have always chosen to live in communities with similar religious and cultural ties. Where I grew up in the midwest, the Irish, Italians, Polish and Germans all had consentrated residential areas where they chose to live. There was comfort and community in being around their native language, cultures, food and extended families.

That seems to be largely what is happening in some areas of ffx county. It is a natural part of immigration, and one that I and many other first and second generation immigrants experienced as a member of an immigrant family.

It just seems laughable that you want to blame FCPS for what is a very natural process of immigrating and intergrating to a new society.

People live where they can afford to live. In Fairfax, that is a couple of small areas that sit within a few pyramids. The county caused it by zoning and policy that concentres poverty

There are very practical infrastructure reasons why it is not beneficial to have high density housing development evenly spread throughout the county. It is more cost effective to make targeted infrastructure upgrades in specific areas designated for high density housing. The county will need to expand capacity of the sewer system. water supply and roads networks to accommodatehigher density areas and the entire network will require capacity upgrades if the highest density housing is evenly distributed throughout the county. The policy you are suggesting will require significant investments that Fairfax does not have the capacity to fund.

Now that the silver line is complete, there is access to public transportation within bounds for McLean and near Langley. Let’s see if Fairfax puts up any massive section 8 complexes there

Every new apartment building in Tysons has affordable housing set-asides and there are also multiple all-affordable housing complexes planned and/or under construction now in Tysons. They will feed into Marshall and McLean. Elaine Tholen made sure no multi-family housing of any kind feeds to Langley.

The new low-income units in Tysons are going to tank school performance at Marshall and McLean. The school performance death spiral will begin in these pyramids soon.

That would be a good thing for the county to witness, and not because I want to see the downfall of McLean, but because McLean would be a shining example of how schools are still "good" despite having poor kids attend.

The good half of McLean would be winning academic awards rivaling TJ while GreatSchools ranks it a 4 just because some ELL kids fail their SOLs. Everyone would finally realize what a bunch of nonsense the rankings are. Who cares what the ESOL kids are scoring? The AP kids at McLean would still be at the top of the county.

Many Parents will interpret lower tests scores as a sign the school is declining. People do not want to send their kids to schools with low test scores regardless of the reason. The end result is that meaningful portion of people will change school attendance zones, relocate to other school districts or enroll in private school which creates a school performance death spiral.

. The school performance death spiral also creates funding issues for the county because revenue follows the students.

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Anonymous wrote:The solution for Lewis is to make it a CTE trade school and allow everyone who wants a more academic path to transfer out. That’s basically what’s happening now, but they need to stop even attempting to make Lewis fit all types of students when it’s so heavily FARMS and 1st gen. Put the resources there to serve that population and let those who don’t fit go elsewhere.

You do have to ask though - How did it get to this point? Why was it allowed to happen? Why were decisions made that hastened the demise?

That's what happens when you concentrate poverty. MVHS should get similar treatment

People move where they want to live. Families, job, cheaper houses, commute, walkable neighborhood, ethnic communities...

Recent immigrants have always chosen to live in communities with similar religious and cultural ties. Where I grew up in the midwest, the Irish, Italians, Polish and Germans all had consentrated residential areas where they chose to live. There was comfort and community in being around their native language, cultures, food and extended families.

That seems to be largely what is happening in some areas of ffx county. It is a natural part of immigration, and one that I and many other first and second generation immigrants experienced as a member of an immigrant family.

It just seems laughable that you want to blame FCPS for what is a very natural process of immigrating and intergrating to a new society.

People live where they can afford to live. In Fairfax, that is a couple of small areas that sit within a few pyramids. The county caused it by zoning and policy that concentres poverty

There are very practical infrastructure reasons why it is not beneficial to have high density housing development evenly spread throughout the county. It is more cost effective to make targeted infrastructure upgrades in specific areas designated for high density housing. The county will need to expand capacity of the sewer system. water supply and roads networks to accommodatehigher density areas and the entire network will require capacity upgrades if the highest density housing is evenly distributed throughout the county. The policy you are suggesting will require significant investments that Fairfax does not have the capacity to fund.

Now that the silver line is complete, there is access to public transportation within bounds for McLean and near Langley. Let’s see if Fairfax puts up any massive section 8 complexes there

Every new apartment building in Tysons has affordable housing set-asides and there are also multiple all-affordable housing complexes planned and/or under construction now in Tysons. They will feed into Marshall and McLean. Elaine Tholen made sure no multi-family housing of any kind feeds to Langley.

The new low-income units in Tysons are going to tank school performance at Marshall and McLean. The school performance death spiral will begin in these pyramids soon.

Marshall, Madison, McLean, and Langley can absorb quite a few low income students and not create a death spiral. The current ones being built will have minimal effect.

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Anonymous wrote:The solution for Lewis is to make it a CTE trade school and allow everyone who wants a more academic path to transfer out. That’s basically what’s happening now, but they need to stop even attempting to make Lewis fit all types of students when it’s so heavily FARMS and 1st gen. Put the resources there to serve that population and let those who don’t fit go elsewhere.

You do have to ask though - How did it get to this point? Why was it allowed to happen? Why were decisions made that hastened the demise?

That's what happens when you concentrate poverty. MVHS should get similar treatment

People move where they want to live. Families, job, cheaper houses, commute, walkable neighborhood, ethnic communities...

Recent immigrants have always chosen to live in communities with similar religious and cultural ties. Where I grew up in the midwest, the Irish, Italians, Polish and Germans all had consentrated residential areas where they chose to live. There was comfort and community in being around their native language, cultures, food and extended families.

That seems to be largely what is happening in some areas of ffx county. It is a natural part of immigration, and one that I and many other first and second generation immigrants experienced as a member of an immigrant family.

It just seems laughable that you want to blame FCPS for what is a very natural process of immigrating and intergrating to a new society.

People live where they can afford to live. In Fairfax, that is a couple of small areas that sit within a few pyramids. The county caused it by zoning and policy that concentres poverty

There are very practical infrastructure reasons why it is not beneficial to have high density housing development evenly spread throughout the county. It is more cost effective to make targeted infrastructure upgrades in specific areas designated for high density housing. The county will need to expand capacity of the sewer system. water supply and roads networks to accommodatehigher density areas and the entire network will require capacity upgrades if the highest density housing is evenly distributed throughout the county. The policy you are suggesting will require significant investments that Fairfax does not have the capacity to fund.

Now that the silver line is complete, there is access to public transportation within bounds for McLean and near Langley. Let’s see if Fairfax puts up any massive section 8 complexes there

Every new apartment building in Tysons has affordable housing set-asides and there are also multiple all-affordable housing complexes planned and/or under construction now in Tysons. They will feed into Marshall and McLean. Elaine Tholen made sure no multi-family housing of any kind feeds to Langley.

The new low-income units in Tysons are going to tank school performance at Marshall and McLean. The school performance death spiral will begin in these pyramids soon.

That would be a good thing for the county to witness, and not because I want to see the downfall of McLean, but because McLean would be a shining example of how schools are still "good" despite having poor kids attend.

The good half of McLean would be winning academic awards rivaling TJ while GreatSchools ranks it a 4 just because some ELL kids fail their SOLs. Everyone would finally realize what a bunch of nonsense the rankings are. Who cares what the ESOL kids are scoring? The AP kids at McLean would still be at the top of the county.

I see a ton of new houses over $2M selling in the McLean district, as older houses continue to get torn down and replaced with new, larger homes that have families with school-age kids. Some of those families will go private, but many will send their kids to public schools. If McLean were to get overcrowded again to the point requiring another boundary change (for now, they are doing OK with the modular and a few trailers), two scenarios seem most likely.

1. The Timber Lane island that includes a number of low-income garden apartments gets moved to Jackson/Falls Church. Falls Church will have more space after its renovation is completed, and Timber Lane is already a McLean/Falls Church split feeder.

2. The Spring Hill island that includes a number of moderate-income apartments (and could include one planned all-affordable housing building) gets moved to Cooper/Langley, and western Great Falls gets moved to Herndon/Herndon. Spring Hill is already a Langley/McLean split feeder.

Either of these scenarios could end up largely a wash for McLean in terms of its ESOL/FARMS population. Marshall is a bit trickier, because if it got crowded one scenario would be to send the single-family neighborhoods in Vienna near Wolf Trap to Madison, which got an addition and has space. That would quickly push up the FARMS percentage at Marshall. However, another alternative, just as with McLean, could be to send part of Tysons zoned to Marshall to Langley, and then part of Langley to Herndon. That would allow Marshall to retain the Vienna neighborhoods.

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Anonymous wrote:The solution for Lewis is to make it a CTE trade school and allow everyone who wants a more academic path to transfer out. That’s basically what’s happening now, but they need to stop even attempting to make Lewis fit all types of students when it’s so heavily FARMS and 1st gen. Put the resources there to serve that population and let those who don’t fit go elsewhere.

You do have to ask though - How did it get to this point? Why was it allowed to happen? Why were decisions made that hastened the demise?

That's what happens when you concentrate poverty. MVHS should get similar treatment

People move where they want to live. Families, job, cheaper houses, commute, walkable neighborhood, ethnic communities...

Recent immigrants have always chosen to live in communities with similar religious and cultural ties. Where I grew up in the midwest, the Irish, Italians, Polish and Germans all had consentrated residential areas where they chose to live. There was comfort and community in being around their native language, cultures, food and extended families.

That seems to be largely what is happening in some areas of ffx county. It is a natural part of immigration, and one that I and many other first and second generation immigrants experienced as a member of an immigrant family.

It just seems laughable that you want to blame FCPS for what is a very natural process of immigrating and intergrating to a new society.

People live where they can afford to live. In Fairfax, that is a couple of small areas that sit within a few pyramids. The county caused it by zoning and policy that concentres poverty

There are very practical infrastructure reasons why it is not beneficial to have high density housing development evenly spread throughout the county. It is more cost effective to make targeted infrastructure upgrades in specific areas designated for high density housing. The county will need to expand capacity of the sewer system. water supply and roads networks to accommodatehigher density areas and the entire network will require capacity upgrades if the highest density housing is evenly distributed throughout the county. The policy you are suggesting will require significant investments that Fairfax does not have the capacity to fund.

Now that the silver line is complete, there is access to public transportation within bounds for McLean and near Langley. Let’s see if Fairfax puts up any massive section 8 complexes there

Every new apartment building in Tysons has affordable housing set-asides and there are also multiple all-affordable housing complexes planned and/or under construction now in Tysons. They will feed into Marshall and McLean. Elaine Tholen made sure no multi-family housing of any kind feeds to Langley.

The new low-income units in Tysons are going to tank school performance at Marshall and McLean. The school performance death spiral will begin in these pyramids soon.

That would be a good thing for the county to witness, and not because I want to see the downfall of McLean, but because McLean would be a shining example of how schools are still "good" despite having poor kids attend.

The good half of McLean would be winning academic awards rivaling TJ while GreatSchools ranks it a 4 just because some ELL kids fail their SOLs. Everyone would finally realize what a bunch of nonsense the rankings are. Who cares what the ESOL kids are scoring? The AP kids at McLean would still be at the top of the county.

I see a ton of new houses over $2M selling in the McLean district, as older houses continue to get torn down and replaced with new, larger homes that have families with school-age kids. Some of those families will go private, but many will send their kids to public schools. If McLean were to get overcrowded again to the point requiring another boundary change (for now, they are doing OK with the modular and a few trailers), two scenarios seem most likely.

1. The Timber Lane island that includes a number of low-income garden apartments gets moved to Jackson/Falls Church. Falls Church will have more space after its renovation is completed, and Timber Lane is already a McLean/Falls Church split feeder.

2. The Spring Hill island that includes a number of moderate-income apartments (and could include one planned all-affordable housing building) gets moved to Cooper/Langley, and western Great Falls gets moved to Herndon/Herndon. Spring Hill is already a Langley/McLean split feeder.

Either of these scenarios could end up largely a wash for McLean in terms of its ESOL/FARMS population. Marshall is a bit trickier, because if it got crowded one scenario would be to send the single-family neighborhoods in Vienna near Wolf Trap to Madison, which got an addition and has space. That would quickly push up the FARMS percentage at Marshall. However, another alternative, just as with McLean, could be to send part of Tysons zoned to Marshall to Langley, and then part of Langley to Herndon. That would allow Marshall to retain the Vienna neighborhoods.

Yeah, Not true McLean is already at 9% low income and Tyson’s housing is super high density. That 100% affordable housing development in Tysons has 516 units that are limited to people with income at 60% of FC AMI. It includes a lot of 2-3 bedroom units so the student generation factor will be relatively high. This project alone will easily add close to 100 HS students and boost the low income percentage to 12%-13% range. The tipping point for he eats spiral is around 20% and woke inclusionary zoning policies can easily make up for this remaining gap.

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Anonymous wrote:The solution for Lewis is to make it a CTE trade school and allow everyone who wants a more academic path to transfer out. That’s basically what’s happening now, but they need to stop even attempting to make Lewis fit all types of students when it’s so heavily FARMS and 1st gen. Put the resources there to serve that population and let those who don’t fit go elsewhere.

You do have to ask though - How did it get to this point? Why was it allowed to happen? Why were decisions made that hastened the demise?

That's what happens when you concentrate poverty. MVHS should get similar treatment

People move where they want to live. Families, job, cheaper houses, commute, walkable neighborhood, ethnic communities...

Recent immigrants have always chosen to live in communities with similar religious and cultural ties. Where I grew up in the midwest, the Irish, Italians, Polish and Germans all had consentrated residential areas where they chose to live. There was comfort and community in being around their native language, cultures, food and extended families.

That seems to be largely what is happening in some areas of ffx county. It is a natural part of immigration, and one that I and many other first and second generation immigrants experienced as a member of an immigrant family.

It just seems laughable that you want to blame FCPS for what is a very natural process of immigrating and intergrating to a new society.

People live where they can afford to live. In Fairfax, that is a couple of small areas that sit within a few pyramids. The county caused it by zoning and policy that concentres poverty

There are very practical infrastructure reasons why it is not beneficial to have high density housing development evenly spread throughout the county. It is more cost effective to make targeted infrastructure upgrades in specific areas designated for high density housing. The county will need to expand capacity of the sewer system. water supply and roads networks to accommodatehigher density areas and the entire network will require capacity upgrades if the highest density housing is evenly distributed throughout the county. The policy you are suggesting will require significant investments that Fairfax does not have the capacity to fund.

Now that the silver line is complete, there is access to public transportation within bounds for McLean and near Langley. Let’s see if Fairfax puts up any massive section 8 complexes there

Every new apartment building in Tysons has affordable housing set-asides and there are also multiple all-affordable housing complexes planned and/or under construction now in Tysons. They will feed into Marshall and McLean. Elaine Tholen made sure no multi-family housing of any kind feeds to Langley.

The new low-income units in Tysons are going to tank school performance at Marshall and McLean. The school performance death spiral will begin in these pyramids soon.

That would be a good thing for the county to witness, and not because I want to see the downfall of McLean, but because McLean would be a shining example of how schools are still "good" despite having poor kids attend.

The good half of McLean would be winning academic awards rivaling TJ while GreatSchools ranks it a 4 just because some ELL kids fail their SOLs. Everyone would finally realize what a bunch of nonsense the rankings are. Who cares what the ESOL kids are scoring? The AP kids at McLean would still be at the top of the county.

I see a ton of new houses over $2M selling in the McLean district, as older houses continue to get torn down and replaced with new, larger homes that have families with school-age kids. Some of those families will go private, but many will send their kids to public schools. If McLean were to get overcrowded again to the point requiring another boundary change (for now, they are doing OK with the modular and a few trailers), two scenarios seem most likely.

1. The Timber Lane island that includes a number of low-income garden apartments gets moved to Jackson/Falls Church. Falls Church will have more space after its renovation is completed, and Timber Lane is already a McLean/Falls Church split feeder.

2. The Spring Hill island that includes a number of moderate-income apartments (and could include one planned all-affordable housing building) gets moved to Cooper/Langley, and western Great Falls gets moved to Herndon/Herndon. Spring Hill is already a Langley/McLean split feeder.

Either of these scenarios could end up largely a wash for McLean in terms of its ESOL/FARMS population. Marshall is a bit trickier, because if it got crowded one scenario would be to send the single-family neighborhoods in Vienna near Wolf Trap to Madison, which got an addition and has space. That would quickly push up the FARMS percentage at Marshall. However, another alternative, just as with McLean, could be to send part of Tysons zoned to Marshall to Langley, and then part of Langley to Herndon. That would allow Marshall to retain the Vienna neighborhoods.

Yeah, Not true McLean is already at 9% low income and Tyson’s housing is super high density. That 100% affordable housing development in Tysons has 516 units that are limited to people with income at 60% of FC AMI. It includes a lot of 2-3 bedroom units so the student generation factor will be relatively high. This project alone will easily add close to 100 HS students and boost the low income percentage to 12%-13% range. The tipping point for he eats spiral is around 20% and woke inclusionary zoning policies can easily make up for this remaining gap.

McLean is higher than 9% FARMS now. It was 12% last year according to FCPS, and it's probably increased a percentage point or two this year. However, the 516-unit affordable housing project to which you're referring (Exchange at Spring Hill, formerly called Dominion Square West) is zoned to Marshall, not McLean. County projections suggested it could add 16 more students to Marshall, not 100, if it had 500 units, so your estimate of 100 more HS students for 516 units appears to be inconsistent with the county's projections.

I'm not sure if you're worried about a "death spiral" at McLean, or instead eager to precipitate one, but it's more than a bit premature.

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Anonymous wrote:The solution for Lewis is to make it a CTE trade school and allow everyone who wants a more academic path to transfer out. That’s basically what’s happening now, but they need to stop even attempting to make Lewis fit all types of students when it’s so heavily FARMS and 1st gen. Put the resources there to serve that population and let those who don’t fit go elsewhere.

You do have to ask though - How did it get to this point? Why was it allowed to happen? Why were decisions made that hastened the demise?

That's what happens when you concentrate poverty. MVHS should get similar treatment

People move where they want to live. Families, job, cheaper houses, commute, walkable neighborhood, ethnic communities...

Recent immigrants have always chosen to live in communities with similar religious and cultural ties. Where I grew up in the midwest, the Irish, Italians, Polish and Germans all had consentrated residential areas where they chose to live. There was comfort and community in being around their native language, cultures, food and extended families.

That seems to be largely what is happening in some areas of ffx county. It is a natural part of immigration, and one that I and many other first and second generation immigrants experienced as a member of an immigrant family.

It just seems laughable that you want to blame FCPS for what is a very natural process of immigrating and intergrating to a new society.

People live where they can afford to live. In Fairfax, that is a couple of small areas that sit within a few pyramids. The county caused it by zoning and policy that concentres poverty

There are very practical infrastructure reasons why it is not beneficial to have high density housing development evenly spread throughout the county. It is more cost effective to make targeted infrastructure upgrades in specific areas designated for high density housing. The county will need to expand capacity of the sewer system. water supply and roads networks to accommodatehigher density areas and the entire network will require capacity upgrades if the highest density housing is evenly distributed throughout the county. The policy you are suggesting will require significant investments that Fairfax does not have the capacity to fund.

Now that the silver line is complete, there is access to public transportation within bounds for McLean and near Langley. Let’s see if Fairfax puts up any massive section 8 complexes there

Every new apartment building in Tysons has affordable housing set-asides and there are also multiple all-affordable housing complexes planned and/or under construction now in Tysons. They will feed into Marshall and McLean. Elaine Tholen made sure no multi-family housing of any kind feeds to Langley.

The new low-income units in Tysons are going to tank school performance at Marshall and McLean. The school performance death spiral will begin in these pyramids soon.

That would be a good thing for the county to witness, and not because I want to see the downfall of McLean, but because McLean would be a shining example of how schools are still "good" despite having poor kids attend.

The good half of McLean would be winning academic awards rivaling TJ while GreatSchools ranks it a 4 just because some ELL kids fail their SOLs. Everyone would finally realize what a bunch of nonsense the rankings are. Who cares what the ESOL kids are scoring? The AP kids at McLean would still be at the top of the county.

I see a ton of new houses over $2M selling in the McLean district, as older houses continue to get torn down and replaced with new, larger homes that have families with school-age kids. Some of those families will go private, but many will send their kids to public schools. If McLean were to get overcrowded again to the point requiring another boundary change (for now, they are doing OK with the modular and a few trailers), two scenarios seem most likely.

1. The Timber Lane island that includes a number of low-income garden apartments gets moved to Jackson/Falls Church. Falls Church will have more space after its renovation is completed, and Timber Lane is already a McLean/Falls Church split feeder.

2. The Spring Hill island that includes a number of moderate-income apartments (and could include one planned all-affordable housing building) gets moved to Cooper/Langley, and western Great Falls gets moved to Herndon/Herndon. Spring Hill is already a Langley/McLean split feeder.

Either of these scenarios could end up largely a wash for McLean in terms of its ESOL/FARMS population. Marshall is a bit trickier, because if it got crowded one scenario would be to send the single-family neighborhoods in Vienna near Wolf Trap to Madison, which got an addition and has space. That would quickly push up the FARMS percentage at Marshall. However, another alternative, just as with McLean, could be to send part of Tysons zoned to Marshall to Langley, and then part of Langley to Herndon. That would allow Marshall to retain the Vienna neighborhoods.

Yeah, Not true McLean is already at 9% low income and Tyson’s housing is super high density. That 100% affordable housing development in Tysons has 516 units that are limited to people with income at 60% of FC AMI. It includes a lot of 2-3 bedroom units so the student generation factor will be relatively high. This project alone will easily add close to 100 HS students and boost the low income percentage to 12%-13% range. The tipping point for he eats spiral is around 20% and woke inclusionary zoning policies can easily make up for this remaining gap.

Boo Hoo. Other schools have to deal with FARMs rates well above 20%.

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Anonymous wrote:The solution for Lewis is to make it a CTE trade school and allow everyone who wants a more academic path to transfer out. That’s basically what’s happening now, but they need to stop even attempting to make Lewis fit all types of students when it’s so heavily FARMS and 1st gen. Put the resources there to serve that population and let those who don’t fit go elsewhere.

You do have to ask though - How did it get to this point? Why was it allowed to happen? Why were decisions made that hastened the demise?

That's what happens when you concentrate poverty. MVHS should get similar treatment

People move where they want to live. Families, job, cheaper houses, commute, walkable neighborhood, ethnic communities...

Recent immigrants have always chosen to live in communities with similar religious and cultural ties. Where I grew up in the midwest, the Irish, Italians, Polish and Germans all had consentrated residential areas where they chose to live. There was comfort and community in being around their native language, cultures, food and extended families.

That seems to be largely what is happening in some areas of ffx county. It is a natural part of immigration, and one that I and many other first and second generation immigrants experienced as a member of an immigrant family.

It just seems laughable that you want to blame FCPS for what is a very natural process of immigrating and intergrating to a new society.

People live where they can afford to live. In Fairfax, that is a couple of small areas that sit within a few pyramids. The county caused it by zoning and policy that concentres poverty

There are very practical infrastructure reasons why it is not beneficial to have high density housing development evenly spread throughout the county. It is more cost effective to make targeted infrastructure upgrades in specific areas designated for high density housing. The county will need to expand capacity of the sewer system. water supply and roads networks to accommodatehigher density areas and the entire network will require capacity upgrades if the highest density housing is evenly distributed throughout the county. The policy you are suggesting will require significant investments that Fairfax does not have the capacity to fund.

Now that the silver line is complete, there is access to public transportation within bounds for McLean and near Langley. Let’s see if Fairfax puts up any massive section 8 complexes there

Every new apartment building in Tysons has affordable housing set-asides and there are also multiple all-affordable housing complexes planned and/or under construction now in Tysons. They will feed into Marshall and McLean. Elaine Tholen made sure no multi-family housing of any kind feeds to Langley.

The new low-income units in Tysons are going to tank school performance at Marshall and McLean. The school performance death spiral will begin in these pyramids soon.

That would be a good thing for the county to witness, and not because I want to see the downfall of McLean, but because McLean would be a shining example of how schools are still "good" despite having poor kids attend.

The good half of McLean would be winning academic awards rivaling TJ while GreatSchools ranks it a 4 just because some ELL kids fail their SOLs. Everyone would finally realize what a bunch of nonsense the rankings are. Who cares what the ESOL kids are scoring? The AP kids at McLean would still be at the top of the county.

I see a ton of new houses over $2M selling in the McLean district, as older houses continue to get torn down and replaced with new, larger homes that have families with school-age kids. Some of those families will go private, but many will send their kids to public schools. If McLean were to get overcrowded again to the point requiring another boundary change (for now, they are doing OK with the modular and a few trailers), two scenarios seem most likely.

1. The Timber Lane island that includes a number of low-income garden apartments gets moved to Jackson/Falls Church. Falls Church will have more space after its renovation is completed, and Timber Lane is already a McLean/Falls Church split feeder.

2. The Spring Hill island that includes a number of moderate-income apartments (and could include one planned all-affordable housing building) gets moved to Cooper/Langley, and western Great Falls gets moved to Herndon/Herndon. Spring Hill is already a Langley/McLean split feeder.

Either of these scenarios could end up largely a wash for McLean in terms of its ESOL/FARMS population. Marshall is a bit trickier, because if it got crowded one scenario would be to send the single-family neighborhoods in Vienna near Wolf Trap to Madison, which got an addition and has space. That would quickly push up the FARMS percentage at Marshall. However, another alternative, just as with McLean, could be to send part of Tysons zoned to Marshall to Langley, and then part of Langley to Herndon. That would allow Marshall to retain the Vienna neighborhoods.

Yeah, Not true McLean is already at 9% low income and Tyson’s housing is super high density. That 100% affordable housing development in Tysons has 516 units that are limited to people with income at 60% of FC AMI. It includes a lot of 2-3 bedroom units so the student generation factor will be relatively high. This project alone will easily add close to 100 HS students and boost the low income percentage to 12%-13% range. The tipping point for he eats spiral is around 20% and woke inclusionary zoning policies can easily make up for this remaining gap.

Boo Hoo. Other schools have to deal with FARMs rates well above 20%.

And she’s back, contributing nothing more than vitriol.

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That would be a good thing for the county to witness, and not because I want to see the downfall of McLean, but because McLean would be a shining example of how schools are still "good" despite having poor kids attend.

The good half of McLean would be winning academic awards rivaling TJ while GreatSchools ranks it a 4 just because some ELL kids fail their SOLs. Everyone would finally realize what a bunch of nonsense the rankings are. Who cares what the ESOL kids are scoring? The AP kids at McLean would still be at the top of the county.

*It's not about the low test scores.* I can't emphasize this enough. I don't really care if a whole pile of other kids in my kid's school are failing their tests. The problem isn't their test scores, it's their behavior (bullying, gangs, drugs, alcohol, crime), their disruptions, and their soaking up of teacher and administrative attention that would be better spent on better students.

There are no such things as "good schools" and "bad schools." It's not about the school facilities. It's not about the teachers. It's about the quality of students that YOUR kids will be surrounded by, and how that is going to affect their education. Everyone inherently knows this but our leftist board and entrenched bureaucracy ignore it because the actual solutions are politically unpalatable.