HOPE ratings - pls post

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:... and I'll say it, how much diversity they 'need' for the current year.

Does the committee know the race/social economic background of a child? I guess they'd know if their last name is Wang or Sunjab. But nobody knows how diverse a Johnson is.

They can tell from other indicators: there may be a few "Young Scholars" who are not URM, but the aim of the program is to reach URM, so that's a pretty good bet and is on the materials in the packet. Likewise, the packet includes references to whether the student is a "minority language" student and his or her ESOL status. HOPE also includes whether they are exceptionally talented in a "World Language," so that could be another indicator. So the committee members are generally able to discern whether the student is a minority and/or ESOL student.

What NNAT/COGAT scores would they be looking for a ESOL kid?

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:Where to see the iready %? we know only the score , how to convert to percentage?

I have the same question. I only see the % on the AAP packet which is for fall 2023. Not sure how to convert.

[Anonymous]

You see the percentile on the aap packet. But some schools have uploaded to parentvue.

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:Where to see the iready %? we know only the score , how to convert to percentage?

I have the same question. I only see the % on the AAP packet which is for fall 2023. Not sure how to convert.

https://cdn.bfldr.com/LS6J0F7/as/484qbbb7q57wxkcwr4x54kf/iready-norms-tables-K-8-SY16-17-to-SY23-24

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:... and I'll say it, how much diversity they 'need' for the current year.

Does the committee know the race/social economic background of a child? I guess they'd know if their last name is Wang or Sunjab. But nobody knows how diverse a Johnson is.

They can tell from other indicators: there may be a few "Young Scholars" who are not URM, but the aim of the program is to reach URM, so that's a pretty good bet and is on the materials in the packet. Likewise, the packet includes references to whether the student is a "minority language" student and his or her ESOL status. HOPE also includes whether they are exceptionally talented in a "World Language," so that could be another indicator. So the committee members are generally able to discern whether the student is a minority and/or ESOL student.

What NNAT/COGAT scores would they be looking for a ESOL kid?

No particular score. The "local school norm" for "in-pool" in a school with many ESOL kids is likely to be lower than in some schools, especially in reading. They've said they would be taking a "holistic" approach, which allows for flexibility to account for different life experiences, and there is a lot of pressure within FCPS to make AAP more diverse.

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:Where to see the iready %? we know only the score , how to convert to percentage?

I have the same question. I only see the % on the AAP packet which is for fall 2023. Not sure how to convert.

https://cdn.bfldr.com/LS6J0F7/as/484qbbb7q57wxkcwr4x54kf/iready-norms-tables-K-8-SY16-17-to-SY23-24

thanks for posting. I converted the score to percentile and it was brutal. In Reading - 500/max possible(570's..) is putting a kid in 46% approx. I was thinking 500 over 570 was a decent score to get qualified Awesome job by parents who are posting that their kids are getting ready 99%.

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:Where to see the iready %? we know only the score , how to convert to percentage?

I have the same question. I only see the % on the AAP packet which is for fall 2023. Not sure how to convert.

https://cdn.bfldr.com/LS6J0F7/as/484qbbb7q57wxkcwr4x54kf/iready-norms-tables-K-8-SY16-17-to-SY23-24

thanks for posting. I converted the score to percentile and it was brutal. In Reading - 500/max possible(570's..) is putting a kid in 46% approx. I was thinking 500 over 570 was a decent score to get qualified Awesome job by parents who are posting that their kids are getting ready 99%.

It's not 500/570... It's more like 500/700. The median kid scores about ~400 in K to about ~600 in 8th. The 99%tile kid scores about 500 in K to 700 in 8th.

[Anonymous]

email the teacher if you want to know iready % -- they should have that info.

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:Race is not in the portfolio 2024

It is not in the front demographic page?

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:Race is not in the portfolio 2024

It is not in the front demographic page?

There is nothing about race on my packet. Like a PP said, I'm sure it can be inferred by certain ethnic names but that's not everyone. I don't see how a URM with a name akin to John Smith would get any extra "diversity" points here unless the parent specifically mentioned race in the comment section of the referral.

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:Race is not in the portfolio 2024

It is not in the front demographic page?

There is nothing about race on my packet. Like a PP said, I'm sure it can be inferred by certain ethnic names but that's not everyone. I don't see how a URM with a name akin to John Smith would get any extra "diversity" points here unless the parent specifically mentioned race in the comment section of the referral.

Thanks for the info. Does it mention if the child qualifies for ESOL or Young Scholars?

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:Race is not in the portfolio 2024

It is not in the front demographic page?

There is nothing about race on my packet. Like a PP said, I'm sure it can be inferred by certain ethnic names but that's not everyone. I don't see how a URM with a name akin to John Smith would get any extra "diversity" points here unless the parent specifically mentioned race in the comment section of the referral.

Thanks for the info. Does it mention if the child qualifies for ESOL or Young Scholars?

Yes, it does.

[Anonymous]

I'm glad I requested my kid's package, because it confirms my impression from this year, that this teacher does not know them at all. The scores weren't terrible, but just totally off of what I would score strengths and weaknesses. We work closely with a retired AP teacher for an extracurricular and her comment when she saw the form was "I don't think they've met your kid."

[Anonymous]

I also requested the packet and received it recently. My child received 1 always, 7 almost always and 3 often on the HOPE ratings and exceptional talent in math, visual arts, reading and social studies. I'm relatively pleased but was of course hoping for higher. It is an interesting look at how the school views your kid, and I would definitely recommend that everyone request the packet. I was hopeful that the HOPE scores would show more comments from the teacher / school committee. It seems like the old GBRS had more of an emphasis on comments and painting a picture of the student, where this form seems rather bland.

Test scores are a mixed bag -- very high in verbal but not as high in the other sections, although still good. I am expecting that test scores, although good, will keep my child out on first round and that we will need to appeal with a higher WISC score.

Any thoughts on how those HOPE ratings will be viewed?

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:I also requested the packet and received it recently. My child received 1 always, 7 almost always and 3 often on the HOPE ratings and exceptional talent in math, visual arts, reading and social studies. I'm relatively pleased but was of course hoping for higher. It is an interesting look at how the school views your kid, and I would definitely recommend that everyone request the packet. I was hopeful that the HOPE scores would show more comments from the teacher / school committee. It seems like the old GBRS had more of an emphasis on comments and painting a picture of the student, where this form seems rather bland.

Test scores are a mixed bag -- very high in verbal but not as high in the other sections, although still good. I am expecting that test scores, although good, will keep my child out on first round and that we will need to appeal with a higher WISC score.

Any thoughts on how those HOPE ratings will be viewed?

No one knows how the HOPE ratings will be viewed/interpreted because this is the first year that they are using them. The previously used GBRS (Gifted Behavior Rating Scale) was considered to be the most influential part of the AAP referral, as a 2020 report on the AAP program showed that statistically it had the highest correlation with acceptance into Full-Time Level 4 AAP services. If you look at the FCPS website, they emphasize that they undertake a "holistic review"

See the following link: https://www.fcps.edu/academics/academic-overview/advanced-academic-programs-aap/advanced-academic-programs-aap-level-iv

A few quotes from the above link:

[Central Selection Committee]
"The central selection committee involves staff from all elementary schools, some middle schools, and some central office staff. The overall committee meets in groups of 6 to review files from the same school at the same time. Each reader makes their own vote of eligibility based on their holistic review of the portfolio. Consensus of at least 4 committee members makes the determination of eligible or ineligible for Level IV AAP."

[Holistic Review]
"A holistic review means that no items in a file are weighted. All data (progress report, work samples, school-based observations, parent input, ability test scores, and achievement test scores) is considered together to determine a match between student needs and services on the continuum."