Are Florida schools ruined now?

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:Honestly, OP, it's the one state in the country I'd actually consider public schools.

We're in DC and no way would I let my kids in DCPS.

Well you need to rethink things. My Dad has been subbing in FL schools for 10 years (he's a retired school administrator) and he says he's never seen a more pathetic school system. Kids are light years behind other schools on the East Coast to say nothing of the book banning.

[Anonymous]

We moved from MD to FL recently.

FL schools are roughly 2 years behind MD in terms of curriculum. (Comparing well-regarded MD private to similar FL private)

We also had a kid in MCPS, now at a FL public HS IB program. Overall publics seem similarly dysfunctional, though MCPS somewhat better.

On the whole, I'd say our kids are getting a lesser education, but will be in a better position for college admission.

We're trying to compensate for the former and take full advantage of the latter.

[Anonymous]

I don't know how bad or good FL schools really are but our moronic governor attended FL public schools and then went to Yale and Harvard Law School so there's that. Even a FL moron can apparently get a good enough education to qualify for some pretty decent higher education.

University of Florida has some notable alumni, including two Nobel Prize winners, nine NASA astronauts, ten U.S. Senators, forty-two U.S. Representatives, eight U.S. ambassadors, eleven state governors, eleven state Supreme Court justices, and over fifty federal court judges. Florida graduates have served as the executive leaders of such diverse institutions as the U.S. Marine Corps and the National Organization for Women.

It's possible FL schools are "ruined" now but I would bet that once DeSantis is no longer governor things will immediately improve so it's probably temporary.

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:We moved from MD to FL recently.

FL schools are roughly 2 years behind MD in terms of curriculum. (Comparing well-regarded MD private to similar FL private)

We also had a kid in MCPS, now at a FL public HS IB program. Overall publics seem similarly dysfunctional, though MCPS somewhat better.

On the whole, I'd say our kids are getting a lesser education, but will be in a better position for college admission.

We're trying to compensate for the former and take full advantage of the latter.

Generally curious where you are located. We moved from mcps as well and found that our kids were behind when coming to private down in Florida. But we were only in mcps during the pandemic so maybe that explains it!?!?

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:We moved from MD to FL recently.

FL schools are roughly 2 years behind MD in terms of curriculum. (Comparing well-regarded MD private to similar FL private)

We also had a kid in MCPS, now at a FL public HS IB program. Overall publics seem similarly dysfunctional, though MCPS somewhat better.

On the whole, I'd say our kids are getting a lesser education, but will be in a better position for college admission.

We're trying to compensate for the former and take full advantage of the latter.

Generally curious where you are located. We moved from mcps as well and found that our kids were behind when coming to private down in Florida. But we were only in mcps during the pandemic so maybe that explains it!?!?

PP here.

We're in an area notorious for poor publics.

So no surprise that MCPS slightly better than FL publics in our experience. YMMV.

[Anonymous]

All public schools are sh!t everywhere.
Look how far once-lauded Fairfax County schools has fallen.

[Anonymous]

More destruction of Florida schools:

UNF, in Jacksonville, will close its Office of Diversity and Inclusion — and, with it, its interfaith, intercultural, women’s and LGBTQ centers — to comply with the new law, President Moaz Limayem said in a letter to the university community Wednesday night.
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Since the start of the year, Florida lawmakers have introduced roughly a dozen anti-LGBTQ bills. They include a sweeping measure that would force Floridians to sign an affidavit when they apply for new driver’s licenses and state IDs to certify that the gender markers on their birth certificates will match their new IDs. Another bill would allow some published accusations of homophobia and transphobia to be considered “defamation per se.”


https://www.msn.com/en-us/news/us/florida-students-protest-imminent-closing-of-university-lgbtq-center/ar-BB1hgUy7?ocid=entnewsntp&pc=U531&cvid=63a6049ec94745f3be6a19e9b76a3670&ei=11

[Anonymous]

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Anonymous wrote:I grew up in Florida and loved it. But we have since moved away. My Florida friends who are teaching are all retiring early because of the crazy new book rules. Orlando schools have censored over 700 titles!

Do you feel Florida schools are teaching your children appropriately? Are you in favor of these draconian rules?

We want to move back to Florida retirement but not if it is now Mississippi.

Please consider retiring in a liberal state and observe the outcome.

Regarding public schools, are your grandchildren residing with you? If so, this might be another instance of the older generation impacting the economy negatively for the younger people, who then struggle to afford independent living. Furthermore, the emphasis in education should be on in-demand skills. Hence, certain books might be seen as cultural distractions. The priority should be to guide our children towards STEM and technical English, rather than left-wing ideology. Left-wing perspectives can be explored outside of school, perhaps at your Unitarian Universalist church or through external clubs.

Wut.

No, the priority of schools should be to teach students a wide range of academic schools and how to think critically. It should also be to teach children how to be good citizens, including how to have empathy in a multicultural society. This means teaching a wide variety of perspectives found in a wide body of literature.

STEM and “technical English” can be options but they also need to learn real history/civics/social studies, logic, foreign languages, physical education, music/theater and how to be good citizens. Their education is for the good of society moreso than for themselves personally.

Your paranoia about “left-wing perspectives” is duly noted but the the fact that you even said that immediately disqualifies you as a serious person whose opinion on this should be considered valid. It isn’t. So you are excused from commenting further in this thread.

The left has lost the narrative of being the party for critical thinking. You have places like MCPS that when confronted with actual diversity, called groups of Ethiopian and Muslim parents transphobes and white supremacist because they objected to their primary school children learning about gender theory.
Schools like J/R in DC is in full Holocaust denial because the adults are afraid of teaching empathy and history to children, lest they hurt feelings. How is that teaching children to be good citizens?
Democrats also forced schools to shut down way longer than places like Florida, showing that certain adults abandoned their post and their charges due to their own selfishness. You don't think these kids saw everyone else going to work? They aren't stupid.

No one called Ethiopian or Muslims white supremacists. Enough with that nonsense. There certainly were transphobes, though. They were rightly told their objections were invalid. If they want to live in this country they will need to assimilate to our more tolerant society.

And spare me your bullshit about the Holocaust and teaching it in schools. Right wingers are closely tied to antisemitism and Holocaust denial. See the Unite the Right rally in Charlottesville or Texas school policy. https://www.theguardian.com/commentisfree/2021/oct/19/texas-holocaust-curriculum-schools-hb-3979

"I love diversity!*"
*As long as people only think, believe and act exactly like me. How dare this brown people have their own beliefs! Go back where you came from amiright?

lol

[Anonymous]

And there's more!

A Florida college degree with be worthless soon.




Florida Eliminates Sociology as a Core Course at Its Universities
https://www.nytimes.com/2024/01/24/us/florida-universities-sociology.html

Students can no longer take sociology to fulfill their core course requirements, Florida’s state university system ruled on Wednesday. Instead, its board of governors approved “a factual history course” as a replacement.

The decision by the 17-member board of governors came after fierce opposition from sociology professors in the university system, which includes the University of Florida and Florida State.

And it is the latest move by the administration of Gov. Ron DeSantis to challenge the education establishment, and what the governor portrayed as its liberal orthodoxy. Mr. DeSantis, a Republican, had tried to leverage his education record in his failed campaign for president.

[Anonymous]

Florida is ruined now.

[Anonymous]

Oh, and it's official now in Florida. Your daughter can't get help when her period starts before 6th grade in Florida. She just has to at at the school, bleeding, and hope a parent can come get her.


https://www.alligator.org/article/2023/07/desantis-k-12-health-education#:~:text=Also%20dubbed%20the%20%E2%80%9CDon't,including%20menstruation%2C%20before%20sixth%20grade.

Also dubbed the “Don’t Say Period” law, the legislation most notably bars instruction on human sexuality, sexually transmitted diseases and other related subjects, including menstruation, before sixth grade.


Could there BE a MORE DUMB law?

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:

Oh, and it's official now in Florida. Your daughter can't get help when her period starts before 6th grade in Florida. She just has to at at the school, bleeding, and hope a parent can come get her.


https://www.alligator.org/article/2023/07/desantis-k-12-health-education#:~:text=Also%20dubbed%20the%20%E2%80%9CDon't,including%20menstruation%2C%20before%20sixth%20grade.

Also dubbed the “Don’t Say Period” law, the legislation most notably bars instruction on human sexuality, sexually transmitted diseases and other related subjects, including menstruation, before sixth grade.


Could there BE a MORE DUMB law?

If you have allowed your daughter to get to the age of menarche and have not prepared her for it, that is 100% on you, not the school.

The problem is that progressives have turn what was a basic puberty talk into "no one knows that gender anyone is and we have to probe children with invasive questions and make them choose" before they are mature enough to handle such material.

This is the backlash.

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Oh, and it's official now in Florida. Your daughter can't get help when her period starts before 6th grade in Florida. She just has to at at the school, bleeding, and hope a parent can come get her.


https://www.alligator.org/article/2023/07/desantis-k-12-health-education#:~:text=Also%20dubbed%20the%20%E2%80%9CDon't,including%20menstruation%2C%20before%20sixth%20grade.

Also dubbed the “Don’t Say Period” law, the legislation most notably bars instruction on human sexuality, sexually transmitted diseases and other related subjects, including menstruation, before sixth grade.


Could there BE a MORE DUMB law?

If you have allowed your daughter to get to the age of menarche and have not prepared her for it, that is 100% on you, not the school.

The problem is that progressives have turn what was a basic puberty talk into "no one knows that gender anyone is and we have to probe children with invasive questions and make them choose" before they are mature enough to handle such material.

This is the backlash.

Wow, way to pivot. You have a huge mean streak...

Children will be punished for their parent's inability. Bet that gives you happy goosebumps with your thrill of the "backlash"!

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Oh, and it's official now in Florida. Your daughter can't get help when her period starts before 6th grade in Florida. She just has to at at the school, bleeding, and hope a parent can come get her.


https://www.alligator.org/article/2023/07/desantis-k-12-health-education#:~:text=Also%20dubbed%20the%20%E2%80%9CDon't,including%20menstruation%2C%20before%20sixth%20grade.

Also dubbed the “Don’t Say Period” law, the legislation most notably bars instruction on human sexuality, sexually transmitted diseases and other related subjects, including menstruation, before sixth grade.


Could there BE a MORE DUMB law?

If you have allowed your daughter to get to the age of menarche and have not prepared her for it, that is 100% on you, not the school.

The problem is that progressives have turn what was a basic puberty talk into "no one knows that gender anyone is and we have to probe children with invasive questions and make them choose" before they are mature enough to handle such material.

This is the backlash.

And the parents that won't have their daughter prepared? That's the Christian right and MAGA, all the way.

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:

And there's more!

A Florida college degree with be worthless soon.




Florida Eliminates Sociology as a Core Course at Its Universities
https://www.nytimes.com/2024/01/24/us/florida-universities-sociology.html

Students can no longer take sociology to fulfill their core course requirements, Florida’s state university system ruled on Wednesday. Instead, its board of governors approved “a factual history course” as a replacement.

The decision by the 17-member board of governors came after fierce opposition from sociology professors in the university system, which includes the University of Florida and Florida State.

And it is the latest move by the administration of Gov. Ron DeSantis to challenge the education establishment, and what the governor portrayed as its liberal orthodoxy. Mr. DeSantis, a Republican, had tried to leverage his education record in his failed campaign for president.

I have plenty of complaints about FL schools, but am confident that we’ll muddle through without a sociology requirement.