Will Republicans get support from Hispanics by helping passing immigration reform?

[Anonymous]

Not if we use the Civil Rights legislation as a guide!

The Civil Rights legislation became law only because of the support of Republicans. It would not have passed if Republicans in the House and Senate did not support the legislation.

Voting in the Senate:

Democratic Party: 46–21 (69–31%)
Republican Party: 27–6 (82–18%)

Voting by the House:[16]

Democratic Party: 153–91 (63–37%)
Republican Party: 136–35 (80–20%)

82% of Republicans voted in favor in the Senate and 80% of Republicans voted in support of the legislation in the House
69% of Democrats supported the legislation in the Senate and 63% of Democrats supported it in the House

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Civil_Rights_Act_of_1964#Vote_totals

So what did it do in terms of African-American support for Republicans in presidential elections over the decades?

"Blacks mostly voted Republican from after the Civil War and through the early part of the 20th century. That’s not surprising when one considers that Abraham Lincoln was the first Republican president, and the white, segregationist politicians who governed Southern states in those days were Democrats. The Democratic Party didn’t welcome blacks then, and it wasn’t until 1924 that blacks were even permitted to attend Democratic conventions in any official capacity. Most blacks lived in the South, where they were mostly prevented from voting at all.

"The election of Roosevelt in 1932 marked the beginning of a change. He got 71 percent of the black vote for president in 1936 and did nearly that well in the next two elections, according to historical figures kept by the Joint Center for Political and Economic Studies. But even then, the number of blacks identifying themselves as Republicans was about the same as the number who thought of themselves as Democrats.

"It wasn’t until Harry Truman garnered 77 percent of the black vote in 1948 that a majority of blacks reported that they thought of themselves as Democrats. Earlier that year Truman had issued an order desegregating the armed services and an executive order setting up regulations against racial bias in federal employment.

"Even after that, Republican nominees continued to get a large slice of the black vote for several elections. Dwight D. Eisenhower got 39 percent in 1956, and Richard Nixon got 32 percent in his narrow loss to John F. Kennedy in 1960.

"But then President Lyndon B. Johnson pushed through the landmark Civil Rights Act of 1964 (outlawing segregation in public places) and his eventual Republican opponent, Sen. Barry Goldwater, opposed it. Johnson got 94 percent of the black vote that year, still a record for any presidential election.

"The following year Johnson signed the 1965 Voting Rights Act. No Republican presidential candidate has gotten more than 15 percent of the black vote since."

http://www.factcheck.org/2008/04/blacks-and-the-democratic-party/

Just a reality check that Republican support for immigration reform and enabling 11 million illegals to gain citizenship will most likely ultimately accrue to the benefit of the Democrats.

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:Not if we use the Civil Rights legislation as a guide!

The Civil Rights legislation became law only because of the support of Republicans. It would not have passed if Republicans in the House and Senate did not support the legislation.

Voting in the Senate:

Democratic Party: 46–21 (69–31%)
Republican Party: 27–6 (82–18%)

Voting by the House:[16]

Democratic Party: 153–91 (63–37%)
Republican Party: 136–35 (80–20%)

82% of Republicans voted in favor in the Senate and 80% of Republicans voted in support of the legislation in the House
69% of Democrats supported the legislation in the Senate and 63% of Democrats supported it in the House

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Civil_Rights_Act_of_1964#Vote_totals

So what did it do in terms of African-American support for Republicans in presidential elections over the decades?

"Blacks mostly voted Republican from after the Civil War and through the early part of the 20th century. That’s not surprising when one considers that Abraham Lincoln was the first Republican president, and the white, segregationist politicians who governed Southern states in those days were Democrats. The Democratic Party didn’t welcome blacks then, and it wasn’t until 1924 that blacks were even permitted to attend Democratic conventions in any official capacity. Most blacks lived in the South, where they were mostly prevented from voting at all.

"The election of Roosevelt in 1932 marked the beginning of a change. He got 71 percent of the black vote for president in 1936 and did nearly that well in the next two elections, according to historical figures kept by the Joint Center for Political and Economic Studies. But even then, the number of blacks identifying themselves as Republicans was about the same as the number who thought of themselves as Democrats.

"It wasn’t until Harry Truman garnered 77 percent of the black vote in 1948 that a majority of blacks reported that they thought of themselves as Democrats. Earlier that year Truman had issued an order desegregating the armed services and an executive order setting up regulations against racial bias in federal employment.

"Even after that, Republican nominees continued to get a large slice of the black vote for several elections. Dwight D. Eisenhower got 39 percent in 1956, and Richard Nixon got 32 percent in his narrow loss to John F. Kennedy in 1960.

"But then President Lyndon B. Johnson pushed through the landmark Civil Rights Act of 1964 (outlawing segregation in public places) and his eventual Republican opponent, Sen. Barry Goldwater, opposed it. Johnson got 94 percent of the black vote that year, still a record for any presidential election.

"The following year Johnson signed the 1965 Voting Rights Act. No Republican presidential candidate has gotten more than 15 percent of the black vote since."

http://www.factcheck.org/2008/04/blacks-and-the-democratic-party/

Just a reality check that Republican support for immigration reform and enabling 11 million illegals to gain citizenship will most likely ultimately accrue to the benefit of the Democrats.

Your post is stupid and amateurish. Black people have not voted for Republicans because of their tone and hostility toward people of color. The same will be true for Latinos. If Repubs knew how to talk to people, maybe there would be more support. You don't get much traction when errant Repubs talk about Latinos in the terrible tone that they do.

Your dumb post forgot to point out that Black people starting voting for the Democratic party when the Dixiecrats switched parties to the Repubs after the Civil Rights legislation. It didn't just happen. Their rhetoric caused black people to jump ship.

[Anonymous]

This is a border states job bill. It is funny how republicans do not care about the budget when the money will be spent in their state.

[Anonymous]

Republicans days are over

[Anonymous]

OP you forgot about the Dixiecrats. Could have saved yourself a rant if you knew your history.

[Anonymous]

Blacks are perpetually stupid. They put all their eggs in one basket (Democrats) and the D's simply take them for granted year after year after year. Can't feel sorry for someone who's stupid enough to vote 90% for the same political party. Cornell West and Tavis Smiley have noted this for years.

[Anonymous]

African Americans are hostile to the Republican party because of a decades long pattern of Republican hostility toward people of color.

This includes everything from overtly racist campaign rhetoric and advertising (Reagan, Jesse Helms, GWB in SC) to race-based voter suppression campaign strategies (caging, voter id laws that solve a totally non-existent problem, poll challenges to AA voters, robo-calls giving the wrong date for elections). If you Google "Republican party" and "consent decree", you will get lots of information about the many, many times that the GOP has been caught doing voter suppression and intimidation aimed at AA voters.

Several Republican politicians also either have ties to white supremacists or are avowed members of their organizations: David Duke (KKK), Jeff Hall (American Nazi party), Bill Roper (KKK), Loy Mauch (neo-Confederate), Shaun Winkler (Aryan Nation), James C. Russell, and Atlee Yarrow in Florida.

Many Republicans also occasionally slip and say clearly racist things in public, then try to claim that they never said those kinds of things before --- Jim Gile with "n*gger-rigging", Dennis Johnson with "Jew them down", Dan Young (R-AK) with "wetbacks". Others say things that are hard not to take as racist because of their tone or their inappropriateness --- Wilson with "You lie", Jan Brewer's wagging finger, Gingrich calling Obama a "foodstamp president." Then of course, there are the signs that show up at Tea Party rallys "put the white back in white house", "we've got a monkey in the zoo and a lying monkey in the white house." And on, and on and on.

Republicans have also been seen --- sometimes unfairly --- as being hostile to any federal program that helped African Americans (affirmative action, CHIP, WIC). Their racist baggage means that they don't get credit for things like the earned income tax credit, which was a Reagan initiative.

Comments like Mitts 47% stuff about all of the "takers" just perpetuated this, and it was most laughably apparent at the last CPAC when a forum on how the GOP can reach minorities degenerated into an angry mob of white people shouting insults at the AA speakers who had come to help them reach out to minorities.

Of course, the premise of this post --- that immigration reform should only be done to get some kind of credit, not because it's the right thing to do --- kind of makes the point in and of itself.

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:Blacks are perpetually stupid. They put all their eggs in one basket (Democrats) and the D's simply take them for granted year after year after year. Can't feel sorry for someone who's stupid enough to vote 90% for the same political party. Cornell West and Tavis Smiley have noted this for years.

its only crazy if there are two parties that want them.

[Anonymous]

It's crazy. Period.

But they want to shoot themselves in the foot, so I say let them have at it.

[Anonymous]

African Americans are hostile to the Republican party for no reason worth consideration. So they get to stay in the ghetto where the D's want them to stay anyway. No sweat off my back.

[Anonymous]

^^^ stupid people need free stuff. They vote democrat. It's that simple.

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:^^^ stupid people need free stuff. They vote democrat. It's that simple.

this is why black people will not vote Republican. Not because of what you said. Because of whst you and do many Republicans believe about Blacks.

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:It's crazy. Period.

But they want to shoot themselves in the foot, so I say let them have at it.

Really you think blacks should vote for a party that doesn't want them?

[Anonymous]

OP, no.

No one is going to all for this narrative we need this bill in order to survive. The immigration bill of the 1990's touted by Mr. Schumer didn't do what it was expected to do.

The border patrol is capturing illegals and requesting them to come to a court hearing at a specific date due to sequestration. Do you think they showed up? Each illegal caught costs $300 And 3 hours to process. You think they are gonna pay taxes when we had to encourage Charlie Rangel and Tim Geithner to?

We can't afford it and can't handle the consistent flow over both the Northern and Southern borders now. You don't have to be an investigator to find H1-B visa abuses using the online databases.

Call me and my position dumb all you want but, we need to focus on taking care of those we have already enveloped in our care before we can add more -- for now.

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:OP, no.

No one is going to all for this narrative we need this bill in order to survive. The immigration bill of the 1990's touted by Mr. Schumer didn't do what it was expected to do.

The border patrol is capturing illegals and requesting them to come to a court hearing at a specific date due to sequestration. Do you think they showed up? Each illegal caught costs $300 And 3 hours to process. You think they are gonna pay taxes when we had to encourage Charlie Rangel and Tim Geithner to?

We can't afford it and can't handle the consistent flow over both the Northern and Southern borders now. You don't have to be an investigator to find H1-B visa abuses using the online databases.

Call me and my position dumb all you want but, we need to focus on taking care of those we have already enveloped in our care before we can add more -- for now.

Don't get me wrong...... I believe it is indefensible to give 11 million illegals the right of residence. My point was to address the belief by some Republicans who support legalizing them because they feel that not to do so would alienate the Hispanic constituency. If the Civil Rights legislation is any guide, all it will do is to cause Hispanics to believe, correctly, that if it had not been for the support of the Democrats, it would not have happened. In the process, Democrats will consolidate their support among the Hispanics. The Republicans who support immigration reform will merely be facilitators in passing the legislation.

At least with African Americans and civil rights legislation, it was the right and moral thing to do. There is no moral equivalence when it comes to illegals who broke the law when they entered the country and now feel they have the right to be legitimized.