Can we talk about the National Guard, when it was deployed and by whom?

[Anonymous]

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In the audio clip, a questioner asks Miller whether there is “any accuracy” to Meadows’s statement. Miller’s reply:

Not from my perspective. I was never given any direction or order or knew of any plans of that nature. So, I was surprised by seeing that publicly . . . we obviously had plans for activating more folks, but that was not anything more than contingency planning. There was no official message traffic or anything of that nature.
The questioner follows up: “Just so we’re clear, you did not have 10,000 troops, quote ‘to be on the ready’ . . . prior to January 6th?”

Miller: “A non-military person probably could have some sort of weird interpretation, but no, to answer your question, that was not part of my plan or the Department of Defense’s plan.”

Questioner: “To be crystal clear, there was no direct order from President Trump to put 10,000 troops ‘to be on the ready’ for January 6th, correct?”

Miller: “That’s correct. There was no direct—there was no order from the president.”

https://www.thebulwark.com/trumps-jan-6th-national-guard-lie-crumbles/

Something you should note - there’s a distinct difference between ‘order’ vs. ‘authorized’. The President cannot ORDER national guard troops. He can only AUTHORIZE them. It’s up to Pelosi and Bowser to ORDER them by law. In the Hannity interview, they correctly used the word authorized. The Jan 6th committee used the word ORDER and DIRECT ORDER because they know the vast majority of Americans don’t know the law.

Completely disingenuous of the committee but I expect no less.

Pelosi has zero authority to order the National Guard. You are just making shit up.

and despite it not being her responsibility, she was bugging various people about it.

[Anonymous]

What the gaslighters are ignoring is that even if Trump said something to someone about National Guard for Jan. 6, he was talking about National Guard to keep counter-protesters away from his crowd at the Ellipse. His Ellipse event was the only protest permitted and scheduled. The attack on the Capitol was his outlaw conspiracy, not a scheduled protest.

[Anonymous]

"Appointment.- There is a Chief of the National Guard Bureau, ... appointed by the President, by and with the advice and consent of the Senate.
...
An officer appointed as Chief of the National Guard Bureau serves at the pleasure of the President for a term of four years."

"...the chief is a military adviser to the National Security Council, the Homeland Security Council, the secretary of defense, and the president on matters pertaining to the National Guard."

Chief of the National Guard Bureau:
General Daniel R. Hokanson

[Anonymous]

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Anonymous wrote:Hmmm

The president can authorize troops but can’t request them. It’s the Capitol Police and Bowser’s job per law. And according to the Pentagon, Trump authorized 10-20K troops

There was no order from Trump. It doesn’t exist. This is all bullshit. It’s total ignorance of how this works. The fault is all on Trump for organizing and sending a violent mob to the Capitol.

You are incorrect. The Pentagon stated that he authorized 10k-20K troops.

https://headlineusa.com/pentagon-memo-proves-trump-gave-order-to-ensure-jan-6-safety/

Nope.

Pelosi is responsible for security at the Capitol per house rules:

https://rules.house.gov/sites/democrats.rules.house.gov/files/117-House-Rules-Clerk.pdf. That’s how this works.

It’s also why the semantics the 6th Jan committee and media is using is so disingenuous.

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:"Appointment.- There is a Chief of the National Guard Bureau, ... appointed by the President, by and with the advice and consent of the Senate.
...
An officer appointed as Chief of the National Guard Bureau serves at the pleasure of the President for a term of four years."

"...the chief is a military adviser to the National Security Council, the Homeland Security Council, the secretary of defense, and the president on matters pertaining to the National Guard."

Chief of the National Guard Bureau:
General Daniel R. Hokanson

There are checks and balances. Do you honestly think the President can call and deploy the National Guard at his/her whim? Note in this article about the summer riot in DC, that Trump did not send in the national guard - the individual states did.

https://www.airforcemag.com/ten-states-send-guardsmen-to-assist-law-enforcement-in-d-c/

Another article that speaks of the difference between deploying the National Guard in DC and Federal buildings, as opposed to other situations:

“Simply put, the National Guard only shows up to D.C. when they’ve been invited, and the Capitol Police did not extend that invitation until after the breach, according to a source with knowledge of the process, who was not authorized to speak about it on the record.”

“ DCNG announced Monday it had mobilized 340 troops to support MPD, but that organization’s jurisdiction does not cover any federal land within the District, and so its officers ― and its Guard support ― could not have just rushed to the Capitol.
Further, once they got there, Guard troops who had been acting in a traffic control capacity, not as law enforcement, would not have been able or authorized to forcibly push back rioters or help clear the building, a task that fell to the Capitol Police and the FBI tactical forces they requested to help out.”

https://www.militarytimes.com/news/your-military/2021/01/07/this-is-why-the-national-guard-didnt-respond-to-the-attack-on-the-capitol/

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:"Appointment.- There is a Chief of the National Guard Bureau, ... appointed by the President, by and with the advice and consent of the Senate.
...
An officer appointed as Chief of the National Guard Bureau serves at the pleasure of the President for a term of four years."

"...the chief is a military adviser to the National Security Council, the Homeland Security Council, the secretary of defense, and the president on matters pertaining to the National Guard."

Chief of the National Guard Bureau:
General Daniel R. Hokanson

There are checks and balances. Do you honestly think the President can call and deploy the National Guard at his/her whim? Note in this article about the summer riot in DC, that Trump did not send in the national guard - the individual states did.

https://www.airforcemag.com/ten-states-send-guardsmen-to-assist-law-enforcement-in-d-c/

Another article that speaks of the difference between deploying the National Guard in DC and Federal buildings, as opposed to other situations:

“Simply put, the National Guard only shows up to D.C. when they’ve been invited, and the Capitol Police did not extend that invitation until after the breach, according to a source with knowledge of the process, who was not authorized to speak about it on the record.”

“ DCNG announced Monday it had mobilized 340 troops to support MPD, but that organization’s jurisdiction does not cover any federal land within the District, and so its officers ― and its Guard support ― could not have just rushed to the Capitol.
Further, once they got there, Guard troops who had been acting in a traffic control capacity, not as law enforcement, would not have been able or authorized to forcibly push back rioters or help clear the building, a task that fell to the Capitol Police and the FBI tactical forces they requested to help out.”

https://www.militarytimes.com/news/your-military/2021/01/07/this-is-why-the-national-guard-didnt-respond-to-the-attack-on-the-capitol/

This has been gone over in detail. The DC National Guard is unique in that it is under the direct command of the President and not controlled by DC.

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:"Appointment.- There is a Chief of the National Guard Bureau, ... appointed by the President, by and with the advice and consent of the Senate.
...
An officer appointed as Chief of the National Guard Bureau serves at the pleasure of the President for a term of four years."

"...the chief is a military adviser to the National Security Council, the Homeland Security Council, the secretary of defense, and the president on matters pertaining to the National Guard."

Chief of the National Guard Bureau:
General Daniel R. Hokanson

There are checks and balances. Do you honestly think the President can call and deploy the National Guard at his/her whim? Note in this article about the summer riot in DC, that Trump did not send in the national guard - the individual states did.

https://www.airforcemag.com/ten-states-send-guardsmen-to-assist-law-enforcement-in-d-c/

Another article that speaks of the difference between deploying the National Guard in DC and Federal buildings, as opposed to other situations:

“Simply put, the National Guard only shows up to D.C. when they’ve been invited, and the Capitol Police did not extend that invitation until after the breach, according to a source with knowledge of the process, who was not authorized to speak about it on the record.”

“ DCNG announced Monday it had mobilized 340 troops to support MPD, but that organization’s jurisdiction does not cover any federal land within the District, and so its officers ― and its Guard support ― could not have just rushed to the Capitol.
Further, once they got there, Guard troops who had been acting in a traffic control capacity, not as law enforcement, would not have been able or authorized to forcibly push back rioters or help clear the building, a task that fell to the Capitol Police and the FBI tactical forces they requested to help out.”

https://www.militarytimes.com/news/your-military/2021/01/07/this-is-why-the-national-guard-didnt-respond-to-the-attack-on-the-capitol/

You are completely missing the point. This is about law and responsibility. Not unnamed sources in news articles.

By law, the Chief of the National Guard is responsible to advise the Secretary of Defense AND THE PRESIDENT on matters relating to the National Guard.

So what was Hokanson's advice, which he is required by law to provide?

If the Guard bureau chief did not, has not and isn't providing advice on National Guard matters (per law) then why is he there?

If he did, then what did he say?

In May 21, he said this in his Congressional testimony: "As the 29th Chief of the National Guard Bureau and member of the Joint Chiefs of Staff, I provide input into every decision impacting our Joint Force and advise the Secretary of Defense on all matters involving the National Guard and the capabilities the National Guard of the 50 states, 3 territories, and District of Columbia..."

And it is quite telling he said not a single word in his entire posture statement about January 6th. Not. One. Word.

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:Hmmm

The president can authorize troops but can’t request them. It’s the Capitol Police and Bowser’s job per law. And according to the Pentagon, Trump authorized 10-20K troops

There was no order from Trump. It doesn’t exist. This is all bullshit. It’s total ignorance of how this works. The fault is all on Trump for organizing and sending a violent mob to the Capitol.

You are incorrect. The Pentagon stated that he authorized 10k-20K troops.

https://headlineusa.com/pentagon-memo-proves-trump-gave-order-to-ensure-jan-6-safety/

Nope.

Pelosi is responsible for security at the Capitol per house rules:

https://rules.house.gov/sites/democrats.rules.house.gov/files/117-House-Rules-Clerk.pdf. That’s how this works.

It’s also why the semantics the 6th Jan committee and media is using is so disingenuous.

What is your point? She doesn’t control the National Guard. Capitol security is the responsibility of the Sergeants at Arms and the Capitol Police.

Trump didn’t offer or suggest or authorize National Guard to protect the Capitol. If anything, he wanted them at his rally.

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:"Appointment.- There is a Chief of the National Guard Bureau, ... appointed by the President, by and with the advice and consent of the Senate.
...
An officer appointed as Chief of the National Guard Bureau serves at the pleasure of the President for a term of four years."

"...the chief is a military adviser to the National Security Council, the Homeland Security Council, the secretary of defense, and the president on matters pertaining to the National Guard."

Chief of the National Guard Bureau:
General Daniel R. Hokanson

There are checks and balances. Do you honestly think the President can call and deploy the National Guard at his/her whim? Note in this article about the summer riot in DC, that Trump did not send in the national guard - the individual states did.

https://www.airforcemag.com/ten-states-send-guardsmen-to-assist-law-enforcement-in-d-c/

Another article that speaks of the difference between deploying the National Guard in DC and Federal buildings, as opposed to other situations:

“Simply put, the National Guard only shows up to D.C. when they’ve been invited, and the Capitol Police did not extend that invitation until after the breach, according to a source with knowledge of the process, who was not authorized to speak about it on the record.”

“ DCNG announced Monday it had mobilized 340 troops to support MPD, but that organization’s jurisdiction does not cover any federal land within the District, and so its officers ― and its Guard support ― could not have just rushed to the Capitol.
Further, once they got there, Guard troops who had been acting in a traffic control capacity, not as law enforcement, would not have been able or authorized to forcibly push back rioters or help clear the building, a task that fell to the Capitol Police and the FBI tactical forces they requested to help out.”

https://www.militarytimes.com/news/your-military/2021/01/07/this-is-why-the-national-guard-didnt-respond-to-the-attack-on-the-capitol/

This has been gone over in detail. The DC National Guard is unique in that it is under the direct command of the President and not controlled by DC.

This is not so. the article above details authority

[Anonymous]

We do know that numerous people at the Capitol tried contacting the Pentagon repeatedly to get them to respond and it took 3 or 4 hours for the Pentagon to finally agree - apparently that may have been Pence.

Trump himself NEVER asked the Pentagon to defend the Capitol.

I do think we need a detailed accounting of every one of those conversations along with a detailed accounting of who at the Pentagon kept saying "no."

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:"Appointment.- There is a Chief of the National Guard Bureau, ... appointed by the President, by and with the advice and consent of the Senate.
...
An officer appointed as Chief of the National Guard Bureau serves at the pleasure of the President for a term of four years."

"...the chief is a military adviser to the National Security Council, the Homeland Security Council, the secretary of defense, and the president on matters pertaining to the National Guard."

Chief of the National Guard Bureau:
General Daniel R. Hokanson

There are checks and balances. Do you honestly think the President can call and deploy the National Guard at his/her whim? Note in this article about the summer riot in DC, that Trump did not send in the national guard - the individual states did.

https://www.airforcemag.com/ten-states-send-guardsmen-to-assist-law-enforcement-in-d-c/

Another article that speaks of the difference between deploying the National Guard in DC and Federal buildings, as opposed to other situations:

“Simply put, the National Guard only shows up to D.C. when they’ve been invited, and the Capitol Police did not extend that invitation until after the breach, according to a source with knowledge of the process, who was not authorized to speak about it on the record.”

“ DCNG announced Monday it had mobilized 340 troops to support MPD, but that organization’s jurisdiction does not cover any federal land within the District, and so its officers ― and its Guard support ― could not have just rushed to the Capitol.
Further, once they got there, Guard troops who had been acting in a traffic control capacity, not as law enforcement, would not have been able or authorized to forcibly push back rioters or help clear the building, a task that fell to the Capitol Police and the FBI tactical forces they requested to help out.”

https://www.militarytimes.com/news/your-military/2021/01/07/this-is-why-the-national-guard-didnt-respond-to-the-attack-on-the-capitol/

This has been gone over in detail. The DC National Guard is unique in that it is under the direct command of the President and not controlled by DC.

This is not so. the article above details authority

It does not for DC. That is in reference to the MD, VA, etc NG not DCNG. DC has zero control over its own National Guard.

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:"Appointment.- There is a Chief of the National Guard Bureau, ... appointed by the President, by and with the advice and consent of the Senate.
...
An officer appointed as Chief of the National Guard Bureau serves at the pleasure of the President for a term of four years."

"...the chief is a military adviser to the National Security Council, the Homeland Security Council, the secretary of defense, and the president on matters pertaining to the National Guard."

Chief of the National Guard Bureau:
General Daniel R. Hokanson

There are checks and balances. Do you honestly think the President can call and deploy the National Guard at his/her whim? Note in this article about the summer riot in DC, that Trump did not send in the national guard - the individual states did.

https://www.airforcemag.com/ten-states-send-guardsmen-to-assist-law-enforcement-in-d-c/

Another article that speaks of the difference between deploying the National Guard in DC and Federal buildings, as opposed to other situations:

“Simply put, the National Guard only shows up to D.C. when they’ve been invited, and the Capitol Police did not extend that invitation until after the breach, according to a source with knowledge of the process, who was not authorized to speak about it on the record.”

“ DCNG announced Monday it had mobilized 340 troops to support MPD, but that organization’s jurisdiction does not cover any federal land within the District, and so its officers ― and its Guard support ― could not have just rushed to the Capitol.
Further, once they got there, Guard troops who had been acting in a traffic control capacity, not as law enforcement, would not have been able or authorized to forcibly push back rioters or help clear the building, a task that fell to the Capitol Police and the FBI tactical forces they requested to help out.”

https://www.militarytimes.com/news/your-military/2021/01/07/this-is-why-the-national-guard-didnt-respond-to-the-attack-on-the-capitol/

This has been gone over in detail. The DC National Guard is unique in that it is under the direct command of the President and not controlled by DC.

This is not so. the article above details authority

It does not for DC. That is in reference to the MD, VA, etc NG not DCNG. DC has zero control over its own National Guard.

“ Because of D.C.’s finicky federal status, any entity ― whether its the mayor, or the Interior Department, which controls federal parks within the District ― has to put in a request for National Guard troops through the Army secretary, who gets it endorsed by the defense secretary.”

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:"Appointment.- There is a Chief of the National Guard Bureau, ... appointed by the President, by and with the advice and consent of the Senate.
...
An officer appointed as Chief of the National Guard Bureau serves at the pleasure of the President for a term of four years."

"...the chief is a military adviser to the National Security Council, the Homeland Security Council, the secretary of defense, and the president on matters pertaining to the National Guard."

Chief of the National Guard Bureau:
General Daniel R. Hokanson

There are checks and balances. Do you honestly think the President can call and deploy the National Guard at his/her whim? Note in this article about the summer riot in DC, that Trump did not send in the national guard - the individual states did.

https://www.airforcemag.com/ten-states-send-guardsmen-to-assist-law-enforcement-in-d-c/

Another article that speaks of the difference between deploying the National Guard in DC and Federal buildings, as opposed to other situations:

“Simply put, the National Guard only shows up to D.C. when they’ve been invited, and the Capitol Police did not extend that invitation until after the breach, according to a source with knowledge of the process, who was not authorized to speak about it on the record.”

“ DCNG announced Monday it had mobilized 340 troops to support MPD, but that organization’s jurisdiction does not cover any federal land within the District, and so its officers ― and its Guard support ― could not have just rushed to the Capitol.
Further, once they got there, Guard troops who had been acting in a traffic control capacity, not as law enforcement, would not have been able or authorized to forcibly push back rioters or help clear the building, a task that fell to the Capitol Police and the FBI tactical forces they requested to help out.”

https://www.militarytimes.com/news/your-military/2021/01/07/this-is-why-the-national-guard-didnt-respond-to-the-attack-on-the-capitol/

This has been gone over in detail. The DC National Guard is unique in that it is under the direct command of the President and not controlled by DC.

This is not so. the article above details authority

It does not for DC. That is in reference to the MD, VA, etc NG not DCNG. DC has zero control over its own National Guard.

“ Because of D.C.’s finicky federal status, any entity ― whether its the mayor, or the Interior Department, which controls federal parks within the District ― has to put in a request for National Guard troops through the Army secretary, who gets it endorsed by the defense secretary.”

Because the chain of command goes President > SecDef > ArmySec > DCNG
For everyone else it's Governor > National Guard with approval needed for deployment outside of the state or on federal territory.

Notice who's missing in the DCNG chain of command. Understand what the word request means. The mayor can request the DCNG through the Army Secretary but the ArmySec needs to get formal approval from the President, through the SecDef, to deploy because DC Gov is not part of the chain of command. The mayor's request is nothing but a formal suggestion.

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:"Appointment.- There is a Chief of the National Guard Bureau, ... appointed by the President, by and with the advice and consent of the Senate.
...
An officer appointed as Chief of the National Guard Bureau serves at the pleasure of the President for a term of four years."

"...the chief is a military adviser to the National Security Council, the Homeland Security Council, the secretary of defense, and the president on matters pertaining to the National Guard."

Chief of the National Guard Bureau:
General Daniel R. Hokanson

There are checks and balances. Do you honestly think the President can call and deploy the National Guard at his/her whim? Note in this article about the summer riot in DC, that Trump did not send in the national guard - the individual states did.

https://www.airforcemag.com/ten-states-send-guardsmen-to-assist-law-enforcement-in-d-c/

Another article that speaks of the difference between deploying the National Guard in DC and Federal buildings, as opposed to other situations:

“Simply put, the National Guard only shows up to D.C. when they’ve been invited, and the Capitol Police did not extend that invitation until after the breach, according to a source with knowledge of the process, who was not authorized to speak about it on the record.”

“ DCNG announced Monday it had mobilized 340 troops to support MPD, but that organization’s jurisdiction does not cover any federal land within the District, and so its officers ― and its Guard support ― could not have just rushed to the Capitol.
Further, once they got there, Guard troops who had been acting in a traffic control capacity, not as law enforcement, would not have been able or authorized to forcibly push back rioters or help clear the building, a task that fell to the Capitol Police and the FBI tactical forces they requested to help out.”

https://www.militarytimes.com/news/your-military/2021/01/07/this-is-why-the-national-guard-didnt-respond-to-the-attack-on-the-capitol/

This has been gone over in detail. The DC National Guard is unique in that it is under the direct command of the President and not controlled by DC.

This is not so. the article above details authority

It does not for DC. That is in reference to the MD, VA, etc NG not DCNG. DC has zero control over its own National Guard.

“ Because of D.C.’s finicky federal status, any entity ― whether its the mayor, or the Interior Department, which controls federal parks within the District ― has to put in a request for National Guard troops through the Army secretary, who gets it endorsed by the defense secretary.”

Yeah “finicky”. Taxation without representation. dc’s “special” startups means that it will always be subject to the whims of nuts like Trump.

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:"Appointment.- There is a Chief of the National Guard Bureau, ... appointed by the President, by and with the advice and consent of the Senate.
...
An officer appointed as Chief of the National Guard Bureau serves at the pleasure of the President for a term of four years."

"...the chief is a military adviser to the National Security Council, the Homeland Security Council, the secretary of defense, and the president on matters pertaining to the National Guard."

Chief of the National Guard Bureau:
General Daniel R. Hokanson

There are checks and balances. Do you honestly think the President can call and deploy the National Guard at his/her whim? Note in this article about the summer riot in DC, that Trump did not send in the national guard - the individual states did.

https://www.airforcemag.com/ten-states-send-guardsmen-to-assist-law-enforcement-in-d-c/

Another article that speaks of the difference between deploying the National Guard in DC and Federal buildings, as opposed to other situations:

“Simply put, the National Guard only shows up to D.C. when they’ve been invited, and the Capitol Police did not extend that invitation until after the breach, according to a source with knowledge of the process, who was not authorized to speak about it on the record.”

“ DCNG announced Monday it had mobilized 340 troops to support MPD, but that organization’s jurisdiction does not cover any federal land within the District, and so its officers ― and its Guard support ― could not have just rushed to the Capitol.
Further, once they got there, Guard troops who had been acting in a traffic control capacity, not as law enforcement, would not have been able or authorized to forcibly push back rioters or help clear the building, a task that fell to the Capitol Police and the FBI tactical forces they requested to help out.”

https://www.militarytimes.com/news/your-military/2021/01/07/this-is-why-the-national-guard-didnt-respond-to-the-attack-on-the-capitol/

This has been gone over in detail. The DC National Guard is unique in that it is under the direct command of the President and not controlled by DC.

This is not so. the article above details authority

It does not for DC. That is in reference to the MD, VA, etc NG not DCNG. DC has zero control over its own National Guard.

“ Because of D.C.’s finicky federal status, any entity ― whether its the mayor, or the Interior Department, which controls federal parks within the District ― has to put in a request for National Guard troops through the Army secretary, who gets it endorsed by the defense secretary.”

Yeah “finicky”. Taxation without representation. dc’s “special” status means that it will always be subject to the whims of nuts like Trump.

Special “status.”