TJ admissions change from Merit to Essay impact to Asian American Students

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2022 data
https://thebullelephant.com/tjhsst-admission-stats-class-of-2022/

Why doesnt FCPS disclose the applicant count by race now, like they always did before admissions change? All data points to the fact that Asians acceptance rate is lower compared to students of other races. Is the concern it would get exposed?

We do have the data for class of 2025. The acceptance rate for Asian applicants (19%) was higher than average (18%) and most other groups (13-17%), but not as high as Hispanic applicants (21%).

ACCEPTANCE RATE
Asian 19%
Black 14%
Hispanic 21%
White 17%
Multiracial/Other* 13%
ALL 18%

I'm guessing those few Hispanic students who apply to this race-blind process are especially strong and motivated.

Or other factors?

[Anonymous]

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Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

2022 data
https://thebullelephant.com/tjhsst-admission-stats-class-of-2022/

Why doesnt FCPS disclose the applicant count by race now, like they always did before admissions change? All data points to the fact that Asians acceptance rate is lower compared to students of other races. Is the concern it would get exposed?

There are many middle schools with extremely low numbers of Asians. Thus we observe the Asian acceptance rate proportionally decreases now that some schools with very few Asians send 1.5% of their kids.

You have to understand that acceptance is divided by the new expanded total class size, so it's a simple equation of proportion that Asian acceptance rate must decrease. It can only stay the same if Asians significantly increased their number of applications.

If Asian families would move to all the middle schools where there currently are very few Asians instead of concentrating at Rocky Run and Carson, then we would see Asians increase in percentage again.

That wouldn’t work that well, unless the parents of these moving families are also losing their jobs.

Those underrepresented schools are exactly where the experience factors are coming into play in the admissions. They are not picking up 100-150 FARMs eligible students from Carson and RR.

I’d be curious to find out the FARMs acceptance rate.

[Anonymous]

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Asian count remains more or less same, but the Asian percent has gone down?

You’ve narrowed the y-axis to make the change look more significant that it actually was.

The average % of Asian students in the admitted class was 68% before the change and now it’s 58%. So 10% drop. And, looking at absolute numbers, the number of Asian students per admitted class went from 330 to 321.

There are NINE fewer Asian students per admitted class on average.

Also claiming the old system where people were buying the test answers was merit is a joke.

#fakenews

[Anonymous]

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Asian count remains more or less same, but the Asian percent has gone down?

Along with the admissions change, the total number of seats were expanded by 100 seats, but Asian students were solely excluded from participating in the expanded seat assignment. There are consistently 1000+ declined Asian applicants each year, largest among all ethnicities, and none of them are allowed to receive a single seat from the expanded seat quota.

The expanded seat quota is to accommodate the 1.5% per middle school. There are many middle schools with extremely low numbers of Asians. Therefore you can't expect that Asians will continue to fill up the 1.5% of seats expanded per middle school, so of course it shows in the data that they do not "receive" more of those spots. It's simple math proportions.

If Asian families would move to all the middle schools where there currently are very few Asians (Whitman and Sandburg are less than 5% Asian) then we would see Asians increase in percentage again.

Asians families want to move to Whitman area, but Whitman has to start teaching beyond Algebra 1 math. A Geometry student from McLean cant move to Whitman and expected to be enrolled in lower level Algebra 1. We asked FCPS and they said they do not allow moving down to Algebra 1 especially if student already has A+ in Geometry. So we had no choice but to stay back at McLean.

They could do what Loudoun did and put him in prealgebra.

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

2022 data
https://thebullelephant.com/tjhsst-admission-stats-class-of-2022/

Why doesnt FCPS disclose the applicant count by race now, like they always did before admissions change? All data points to the fact that Asians acceptance rate is lower compared to students of other races. Is the concern it would get exposed?

At the time of selection, it's unknown since it's race-blind, which is a matter of law in the US.

That didn't stop a whole lot of colleges, or FCPS in the 90s.

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:
Asian count remains more or less same, but the Asian percent has gone down?

Along with the admissions change, the total number of seats were expanded by 100 seats, but Asian students were solely excluded from participating in the expanded seat assignment. There are consistently 1000+ declined Asian applicants each year, largest among all ethnicities, and none of them are allowed to receive a single seat from the expanded seat quota.

The expanded seat quota is to accommodate the 1.5% per middle school. There are many middle schools with extremely low numbers of Asians. Therefore you can't expect that Asians will continue to fill up the 1.5% of seats expanded per middle school, so of course it shows in the data that they do not "receive" more of those spots. It's simple math proportions.

If Asian families would move to all the middle schools where there currently are very few Asians (Whitman and Sandburg are less than 5% Asian) then we would see Asians increase in percentage again.

Asians families want to move to Whitman area, but Whitman has to start teaching beyond Algebra 1 math. A Geometry student from McLean cant move to Whitman and expected to be enrolled in lower level Algebra 1. We asked FCPS and they said they do not allow moving down to Algebra 1 especially if student already has A+ in Geometry. So we had no choice but to stay back at McLean.

Whitman had 17 8th graders take the Geometry SOL in the 2022-2023 school year. They must offer at least one section of Geometry at the school.

[Anonymous]

Nothing is race blind now. It’s not really equity. It’s boosting some and dampening others.


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Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

2022 data
https://thebullelephant.com/tjhsst-admission-stats-class-of-2022/

Why doesnt FCPS disclose the applicant count by race now, like they always did before admissions change? All data points to the fact that Asians acceptance rate is lower compared to students of other races. Is the concern it would get exposed?

At the time of selection, it's unknown since it's race-blind, which is a matter of law in the US.

That didn't stop a whole lot of colleges, or FCPS in the 90s.

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

2022 data
https://thebullelephant.com/tjhsst-admission-stats-class-of-2022/

Why doesnt FCPS disclose the applicant count by race now, like they always did before admissions change? All data points to the fact that Asians acceptance rate is lower compared to students of other races. Is the concern it would get exposed?

At the time of selection, it's unknown since it's race-blind, which is a matter of law in the US.

That didn't stop a whole lot of colleges, or FCPS in the 90s.

There is a long history of racism against Asian Americans in the U.S., FCPS is make effort to make sure it continues.

https://www.pbs.org/newshour/nation/the-long-history-of-racism-against-asian-americans-in-the-u-s

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

2022 data
https://thebullelephant.com/tjhsst-admission-stats-class-of-2022/

Why doesnt FCPS disclose the applicant count by race now, like they always did before admissions change? All data points to the fact that Asians acceptance rate is lower compared to students of other races. Is the concern it would get exposed?

At the time of selection, it's unknown since it's race-blind, which is a matter of law in the US.

That didn't stop a whole lot of colleges, or FCPS in the 90s.

There is a long history of racism against Asian Americans in the U.S., FCPS is make effort to make sure it continues.

https://www.pbs.org/newshour/nation/the-long-history-of-racism-against-asian-americans-in-the-u-s

"in the United States, Asian Americans have long been considered as a threat to a nation .... They were called a “yellow peril”: unclean and unfit for citizenship in America.?" FCPS appears to be exhibiting racist tendencies, which includes all races.

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:Nothing is race blind now. It’s not really equity. It’s boosting some and dampening others.

AAP appears to be going through that process

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:Nothing is race blind now. It’s not really equity. It’s boosting some and dampening others.

AAP appears to be going through that process

It's race-blind as a matter of law. If you have knowledge they aren't strictly following this, you have the grounds for a multimillion-dollar lawsuit.

Some kook can post any nonsense like this on DCUM because they're sour grapes. but courts require proof and there is none.

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

2022 data
https://thebullelephant.com/tjhsst-admission-stats-class-of-2022/

Why doesnt FCPS disclose the applicant count by race now, like they always did before admissions change? All data points to the fact that Asians acceptance rate is lower compared to students of other races. Is the concern it would get exposed?

At the time of selection, it's unknown since it's race-blind, which is a matter of law in the US.

That didn't stop a whole lot of colleges, or FCPS in the 90s.

There is a long history of racism against Asian Americans in the U.S., FCPS is make effort to make sure it continues.

https://www.pbs.org/newshour/nation/the-long-history-of-racism-against-asian-americans-in-the-u-s

Luckily FCPS favors Asians since they make up the largest cohort by a huge margin for these programs. Asians make up maybe 15% of the coutny's population but take up over 60% of the seats in TJ. The facts make it clear that there's if anything a pro-Asian bias in this process.

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

2022 data
https://thebullelephant.com/tjhsst-admission-stats-class-of-2022/

Why doesnt FCPS disclose the applicant count by race now, like they always did before admissions change? All data points to the fact that Asians acceptance rate is lower compared to students of other races. Is the concern it would get exposed?

At the time of selection, it's unknown since it's race-blind, which is a matter of law in the US.

That didn't stop a whole lot of colleges, or FCPS in the 90s.

There is a long history of racism against Asian Americans in the U.S., FCPS is make effort to make sure it continues.

https://www.pbs.org/newshour/nation/the-long-history-of-racism-against-asian-americans-in-the-u-s

Luckily FCPS favors Asians since they make up the largest cohort by a huge margin for these programs. Asians make up maybe 15% of the coutny's population but take up over 60% of the seats in TJ. The facts make it clear that there's if anything a pro-Asian bias in this process.

+1

There is no rational case for "discrimination" here.

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:Nothing is race blind now. It’s not really equity. It’s boosting some and dampening others.

AAP appears to be going through that process

It's race-blind as a matter of law. If you have knowledge they aren't strictly following this, you have the grounds for a multimillion-dollar lawsuit.

Some kook can post any nonsense like this on DCUM because they're sour grapes. but courts require proof and there is none.

There exists a lengthy history of systemic racism against Asian Americans in the U.S., dating back to 1790. These discriminatory acts, laws, and official policies were intentionally designed to limit the opportunities of Asian Americans. While the FCPS school board approved the admission policy, it is blatantly discriminatory against Asian students.

https://exhibits.stanford.edu/riseup/feature/timeline-of-systemic-racism-against-aapi

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:Nothing is race blind now. It’s not really equity. It’s boosting some and dampening others.

AAP appears to be going through that process

It's race-blind as a matter of law. If you have knowledge they aren't strictly following this, you have the grounds for a multimillion-dollar lawsuit.

Some kook can post any nonsense like this on DCUM because they're sour grapes. but courts require proof and there is none.

There exists a lengthy history of systemic racism against Asian Americans in the U.S., dating back to 1790. These discriminatory acts, laws, and official policies were intentionally designed to limit the opportunities of Asian Americans. While the FCPS school board approved the admission policy, it is blatantly discriminatory against Asian students.

https://exhibits.stanford.edu/riseup/feature/timeline-of-systemic-racism-against-aapi

The goal was to expand access to TJ to other groups within FCPS, not just kids from a handful of feeder schools.

Before the change, only 0.62% (less than 1%) of TJ students came from economically disadvantaged families. Middle schools serving lower income families had little/no access to TJ for their bright kids.

The wealthy kids at feeder schools aren’t entitled to have ALL of the seats at TJ. There is room for kids from other MSs.