wtf shogun

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Anonymous wrote:I guess I'm the opposite. I love realistic scenes and enjoy some violence. I'm not a violent person at all either. Game of Thrones was the best series in my mind. I'm waiting until Shogun is over before subscribing to FX, but I'm looking forward to it.

I actually can't watch the cheesy, sickly sweet Hallmark movies or shows like Virgin River. I think people that watch stuff like that are sheltered, unimaginative and separated from reality.

I think the bolded about people who can enjoy watching extreme violence. I believe they must disassociate in some way, so that they don't imagine it happening to real people or to people they know.

I watch escapist TV to *escape*. It doesn't mean I'm ignorant of current or historical violence, it means I'm quite aware and would like some peace from it my limited leisure time.

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I had the same reaction OP. I understand that this kind of stuff did happen/is still happening in reality and I simply don’t care to be reminded and forced to think about it when I’m trying to unwind and be entertained. I love slow horses and the Americans so it’s not like I’m out here refusing to watch anything that’s not a hallmark movie. I just hate the gruesomeness.

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Anonymous wrote:I guess I'm the opposite. I love realistic scenes and enjoy some violence. I'm not a violent person at all either. Game of Thrones was the best series in my mind. I'm waiting until Shogun is over before subscribing to FX, but I'm looking forward to it.

I actually can't watch the cheesy, sickly sweet Hallmark movies or shows like Virgin River. I think people that watch stuff like that are sheltered, unimaginative and separated from reality.

Do you watch ISIS execution videos and uncensored combat footage from Ukraine or maybe footage from cartels? You know, to be in touch with reality

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Shogun is set in the 16th century. Lots of people did pretty horrific things then. Flaying, burning at the stake. You know, basic Saturday morning cartoon stuff before there were cartoons.

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Anonymous wrote:I had the same reaction OP. I understand that this kind of stuff did happen/is still happening in reality and I simply don’t care to be reminded and forced to think about it when I’m trying to unwind and be entertained. I love slow horses and the Americans so it’s not like I’m out here refusing to watch anything that’s not a hallmark movie. I just hate the gruesomeness.

This is OP - and Slow Horses and The Americans are two of my favorite shows, too.

[Anonymous]

I also hate gratuitous violence and sex in movies and TV shows. Who wants to watch in a public cinema people moaning and writhing while having sex?? It's already uncomfortable by yourself much less surrounded by strangers.

I have the fact that moviemakers use violence and sex to sell movies. Many times chopping these scenes out does not change the storyline. They are unnecessary.

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Anonymous wrote:I also hate gratuitous violence and sex in movies and TV shows. Who wants to watch in a public cinema people moaning and writhing while having sex?? It's already uncomfortable by yourself much less surrounded by strangers.

I have the fact that moviemakers use violence and sex to sell movies. Many times chopping these scenes out does not change the storyline. They are unnecessary.

You're the first one to bring up sex, I think. I'm fine with sex so long as it's not sexual violence. If you took out all the graphic violence and replaced it with consensual sex scenes, I'd be able to watch these great shows that everyone loves!

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Anonymous wrote:Haven’t you read the book?

We watched the original series in my 8th grade English class. Pretty sure the booked guy was in that one as well. Not as disturbing as watching Threads, which we also watched in that class. Reading the book was extra credit. Let me tell you, if anyone is worried about middle school kids and sex in books, Shogun is not the book for 12 year olds. I learned a lot from that books, especially what a c—- ring is. And I was from a pretty “Red” conservative state. I still wonder what the teachers were thinking!

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:Shogun is set in the 16th century. Lots of people did pretty horrific things then. Flaying, burning at the stake. You know, basic Saturday morning cartoon stuff before there were cartoons.

If you listen to The Rest Is History podcast, that point is well made. Listen to the ones on the history of treason. The cook that tried to poison Biship Fisher under Henry viii was boiled to death and repeatedly removed from the pot to make it last longer. And that guy said it was meant as a prank and he only meant to make the bishop sick, not die.

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Everyone complaining about America being so awful and racist, it's a good reality check

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Subtitles are annoying.

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Anonymous wrote:I agree that some shows are unnecessarily cruel and graphic. Are you angry about the violence portrayed in the show, or that things like that have actually happened?

I’m more upset about the latter. The Japanese really did do some really horrible things that are being forgotten with time that needs to be documented and remembered by everyone, screams and all.

This is a short read that may put more horrid stuff in your head. No screaming or vivid violence but soul-crushing because it is real history. Maybe reading this or the shogun book will be more your style.

https://www.cnn.com/travel/bataan-death-march-intl-hnk-ml-dst/index.html

Thank you for noting the Bataan Death March. Inhuman. I also knew those who were deeply changed from their experiences, but rarely discussed it. I guess the darkness was so deep it had to be locked away.

Didn't the US also do the same thing to Native Americans? Forgot under which president but am pretty sure it's famous.

The Trail of Tears was displacement. The Bataan Death March was pure torture for sadistic purposes. They would make POWs who were already severely malnourished march for miles in sweltering 100+ F degree heat with no water. So many were infected with dysentery and other illnesses on the Bataan Death March. They were still forced to march while having profuse diarrhea with no stopping. Many had basically no clothes in and marched nude the whole way. You can only imagine what that kind of extreme sun exposure with zero protection does to your skin.

Death rates for POWs in Japanese camps were actually *worse* than the death rates for Jews in Nazi concentration camps. The Japanese were probably even worse than the Nazis during WW2.

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Anonymous wrote:My husband has been wanting to see Shogun, so finally last night we put it on. And not even halfway through the first episode there is a man being boiled alive, while screaming, and a baby taken away from his mother to satisfy some honor thing.

I actually just had to leave the room, I got so upset with this stupid show. I have enough terrible things in my head I don't need to forever hear a man screaming as he's being boiled alive for hours.

Anyone else get very upset by violent content like this? I HATE it! I actually like some horror and I love a good murder show, but - jesus. Made me feel pretty good about my choice never to watch Game of Thrones.

Now you know how I feel about “The View.”

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I quit watching t.v. regularly after I idly watched one episode of CSI: SVU out of boredom.

So exploitative and gross. And fictional. Which makes it worse in my opinion.

Feels like something is really wrong with our society that these shows get made.

I prefer cheerful escapist entertainment. Comedy, etc. Like "The Good Place" and "'Silicon Valley".

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I watched the mini-series with Richard Chamberlain back in '80. Once I got over the trauma of the opening I really loved it. Fast Forward, and I just can't do that kind of violence anymore.