Common Sense Gun Laws

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:Common sense?

Red flag laws
Inclusion of juvenile record in background check for under 25
Harden schools so tougher to get access
Increased federal spending on mental health
Increased background checks and mental health screening
Elimination of gun shows - at least how they run now
Ban high capacity magazines
Ban ghost guns
Mandatory safety training
Better police training

All of this can be done now. There is support for much of this now on both sides. Maybe there is more/other items.

+1

Get it done. No more lane excuses.

The problem is the NRA and the gun nuts are flooding their representatives with calls, emails, letters, and faxes saying that if the rep voices even meager support for any sort of legislation then that rep will lose votes and financial backing. The gun crazies are indeed crazy but well organized with lots of time and energy as this is their culture. The representatives, particularly Rs, know this and that why they are hemming and hawing until the American people lose interest. I'd like to say something has changed and this time will be different - hopefully this time it will be different.

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:And, overlapping a bit, but here is what Chicago LEO proposed to cut down on city gun violence.

- Pass the Gun Trafficking Prevention legislature which includes enforcement measures at every link in the illegal chain of custody of a trafficked firearm;
- Create comprehensive background checks on all firearm sales, regardless of the venue or type of seller;
- Lift ATF restrictions on oversight and enforcement of gun dealers;
- Increase ATF resources, manpower, and enforcement of current firearm trafficking laws;
- Regulate and track online sales of all firearms;
- Lift restrictions on firearm sale recordkeeping, data access, and reporting;
- Increase federal prosecution of gun trafficking and illegal gun possession offenses;
- Increase federal law enforcement collaboration with local and state law enforcement agencies across regions

What is the issue with online sales exactly?

Any weapon purchased online isn’t going to be shipped directly from the seller -> buyer, but instead to a FFL holder, who completes the transaction and administers the necessary background check on the person who bought the weapon online

I believe they are referring to the secondary gun market.

[Anonymous]

Uh oh, Elon just tweeted in support of tighter background checks and limited sales on assault rifles. I wonder if the Rs will turn on him now.

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:And, overlapping a bit, but here is what Chicago LEO proposed to cut down on city gun violence.

- Pass the Gun Trafficking Prevention legislature which includes enforcement measures at every link in the illegal chain of custody of a trafficked firearm;
- Create comprehensive background checks on all firearm sales, regardless of the venue or type of seller;
- Lift ATF restrictions on oversight and enforcement of gun dealers;
- Increase ATF resources, manpower, and enforcement of current firearm trafficking laws;
- Regulate and track online sales of all firearms;
- Lift restrictions on firearm sale recordkeeping, data access, and reporting;
- Increase federal prosecution of gun trafficking and illegal gun possession offenses;
- Increase federal law enforcement collaboration with local and state law enforcement agencies across regions

What is the issue with online sales exactly?

Any weapon purchased online isn’t going to be shipped directly from the seller -> buyer, but instead to a FFL holder, who completes the transaction and administers the necessary background check on the person who bought the weapon online

I believe they are referring to the secondary gun market.

Yup. Frankly, there should be no wholly private secondary market. Every private sale in every state should be conducted through a FFL 3rd party who conducts a NICS check on the potential buyer. The fact that you can go to a gun show, meet a private individual on the floor, and buy a firearm out of the trunk of his car with no NICS check is pure insanity.

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:Uh oh, Elon just tweeted in support of tighter background checks and limited sales on assault rifles. I wonder if the Rs will turn on him now.

He's a BoTh SiDeZZ troll.

[Anonymous]

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[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:And, overlapping a bit, but here is what Chicago LEO proposed to cut down on city gun violence.

- Pass the Gun Trafficking Prevention legislature which includes enforcement measures at every link in the illegal chain of custody of a trafficked firearm;
- Create comprehensive background checks on all firearm sales, regardless of the venue or type of seller;
- Lift ATF restrictions on oversight and enforcement of gun dealers;
- Increase ATF resources, manpower, and enforcement of current firearm trafficking laws;
- Regulate and track online sales of all firearms;
- Lift restrictions on firearm sale recordkeeping, data access, and reporting;
- Increase federal prosecution of gun trafficking and illegal gun possession offenses;
- Increase federal law enforcement collaboration with local and state law enforcement agencies across regions

What is the issue with online sales exactly?

Any weapon purchased online isn’t going to be shipped directly from the seller -> buyer, but instead to a FFL holder, who completes the transaction and administers the necessary background check on the person who bought the weapon online

I believe they are referring to the secondary gun market.

Yup. Frankly, there should be no wholly private secondary market. Every private sale in every state should be conducted through a FFL 3rd party who conducts a NICS check on the potential buyer. The fact that you can go to a gun show, meet a private individual on the floor, and buy a firearm out of the trunk of his car with no NICS check is pure insanity.

I think that having all sales go through a FFL with NICS check is an example of common sense legislation. That being said, I am hard pressed to recall any of these horrific events ever playing out that way. Holmes, Laughner, Nidal, Cho, this guy in Uvalde, etc...all of these guys passed the NICS check and every one of them would be classified as waiting room diagnosis mentally ill.

[Anonymous]

Gun control legislation works:
https://www.scientificamerican.com/article/the-science-is-clear-gun-control-saves-lives/

Gun control laws are desired:
https://www.pewresearch.org/fact-tank/2021/09/13/key-facts-about-americans-and-guns/

[Anonymous]

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FREE

Spend less time reloading and bring more rounds to the fight…..

with this Universal Magazine Coupler NOW IN STOCK!!

Different colors available too.

Works perfectly with AR-15, Mini 14 and others. Allows operator to attach two magazines (or more) together for faster and more efficient reloads.

Load up now before these get banned too!

This is the disgusting mentality in gun culture.

“Bring more rounds to the fight”

These people are f king insane.

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:And, overlapping a bit, but here is what Chicago LEO proposed to cut down on city gun violence.

- Pass the Gun Trafficking Prevention legislature which includes enforcement measures at every link in the illegal chain of custody of a trafficked firearm;
- Create comprehensive background checks on all firearm sales, regardless of the venue or type of seller;
- Lift ATF restrictions on oversight and enforcement of gun dealers;
- Increase ATF resources, manpower, and enforcement of current firearm trafficking laws;
- Regulate and track online sales of all firearms;
- Lift restrictions on firearm sale recordkeeping, data access, and reporting;
- Increase federal prosecution of gun trafficking and illegal gun possession offenses;
- Increase federal law enforcement collaboration with local and state law enforcement agencies across regions

What is the issue with online sales exactly?

Any weapon purchased online isn’t going to be shipped directly from the seller -> buyer, but instead to a FFL holder, who completes the transaction and administers the necessary background check on the person who bought the weapon online

I believe they are referring to the secondary gun market.

Yup. Frankly, there should be no wholly private secondary market. Every private sale in every state should be conducted through a FFL 3rd party who conducts a NICS check on the potential buyer. The fact that you can go to a gun show, meet a private individual on the floor, and buy a firearm out of the trunk of his car with no NICS check is pure insanity.

I think that having all sales go through a FFL with NICS check is an example of common sense legislation. That being said, I am hard pressed to recall any of these horrific events ever playing out that way. Holmes, Laughner, Nidal, Cho, this guy in Uvalde, etc...all of these guys passed the NICS check and every one of them would be classified as waiting room diagnosis mentally ill.

How many were <21?

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:- license and pass a safety test (just like we have for cars)
- license can be taken away for violations, safety hazards (just like for cars)
- insurance required (just like we have for cars)
- police need to have more powerful weapons that citizenry are allowed (just like for cars, police can access equipment citizenry can’t)

Americans love cars just like they love guns. But we seem not to have totally lost their mind over them.

I absolutely disagree with your stance on police. They and the rest of us non military need nothing more than a handgun and in reality I'd prefer not even that.

Those in the military can have other styles of guns when on duty only. Not to be kept at home. Same for those that hunt.they can go to designated areas and sign in and out

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:And, overlapping a bit, but here is what Chicago LEO proposed to cut down on city gun violence.

- Pass the Gun Trafficking Prevention legislature which includes enforcement measures at every link in the illegal chain of custody of a trafficked firearm;
- Create comprehensive background checks on all firearm sales, regardless of the venue or type of seller;
- Lift ATF restrictions on oversight and enforcement of gun dealers;
- Increase ATF resources, manpower, and enforcement of current firearm trafficking laws;
- Regulate and track online sales of all firearms;
- Lift restrictions on firearm sale recordkeeping, data access, and reporting;
- Increase federal prosecution of gun trafficking and illegal gun possession offenses;
- Increase federal law enforcement collaboration with local and state law enforcement agencies across regions

What is the issue with online sales exactly?

Any weapon purchased online isn’t going to be shipped directly from the seller -> buyer, but instead to a FFL holder, who completes the transaction and administers the necessary background check on the person who bought the weapon online

I believe they are referring to the secondary gun market.

Yup. Frankly, there should be no wholly private secondary market. Every private sale in every state should be conducted through a FFL 3rd party who conducts a NICS check on the potential buyer. The fact that you can go to a gun show, meet a private individual on the floor, and buy a firearm out of the trunk of his car with no NICS check is pure insanity.

I think that having all sales go through a FFL with NICS check is an example of common sense legislation. That being said, I am hard pressed to recall any of these horrific events ever playing out that way. Holmes, Laughner, Nidal, Cho, this guy in Uvalde, etc...all of these guys passed the NICS check and every one of them would be classified as waiting room diagnosis mentally ill.

How many were <21?

I read an interesting article recently that the prefrontal cortex (which governs impulse control, among other things) isn't fully developed until 25. BUT, there are shooters who use other people's guns (the Sandy Hook shooter used his mother's guns, I believe). So while I support raising the age at which you can buy guns, and I support having to register them and report ownership transfers (we do this for cars), I think more is needed.

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:And, overlapping a bit, but here is what Chicago LEO proposed to cut down on city gun violence.

- Pass the Gun Trafficking Prevention legislature which includes enforcement measures at every link in the illegal chain of custody of a trafficked firearm;
- Create comprehensive background checks on all firearm sales, regardless of the venue or type of seller;
- Lift ATF restrictions on oversight and enforcement of gun dealers;
- Increase ATF resources, manpower, and enforcement of current firearm trafficking laws;
- Regulate and track online sales of all firearms;
- Lift restrictions on firearm sale recordkeeping, data access, and reporting;
- Increase federal prosecution of gun trafficking and illegal gun possession offenses;
- Increase federal law enforcement collaboration with local and state law enforcement agencies across regions

What is the issue with online sales exactly?

Any weapon purchased online isn’t going to be shipped directly from the seller -> buyer, but instead to a FFL holder, who completes the transaction and administers the necessary background check on the person who bought the weapon online

I believe they are referring to the secondary gun market.

Yup. Frankly, there should be no wholly private secondary market. Every private sale in every state should be conducted through a FFL 3rd party who conducts a NICS check on the potential buyer. The fact that you can go to a gun show, meet a private individual on the floor, and buy a firearm out of the trunk of his car with no NICS check is pure insanity.

I think that having all sales go through a FFL with NICS check is an example of common sense legislation. That being said, I am hard pressed to recall any of these horrific events ever playing out that way. Holmes, Laughner, Nidal, Cho, this guy in Uvalde, etc...all of these guys passed the NICS check and every one of them would be classified as waiting room diagnosis mentally ill.

Pretty much every gun brought into DC and used in a crime was a private-to-private sale, usually with a straw buyer.

Requiring NCIS verification will greatly reduce straw buying because the straw buyer would not allowed to sell privately without going through a FFL 3rd party. Such a provision would greatly reduce common gun violence in DC, NYC, Chicago, etc. Which is exactly why the GOP will fight it tooth and nail - they need urban violence/crime.

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:It’s naive to think these laws, if enacted, would meaningfully address or curb gun violence. All they would do is drive an industry, which is already moving underground, further underground. Illegal weapons would still be available to whomever wanted one.

Want to curb gun violence and mass shootings? Push for societal changes that lessen the chance of an individual being brought to the brink of committing mass murder. How do we do that? For starters clamp down on the rampant cyber bullying that takes place online. Boycott media moguls (movies, TV, music, video games) that profit off glorifying violence and promoting the idea that it’s cool or sexy to kill people with automatic firearms. Enact changes to education, employment, and housing policies that give more people a sense of hope or purpose in life so they can serve as better parents, role models, or mentors to youth.

“Common sense” gun laws sound nice, but they’re essentially window dressings that won’t fix the pervasive problems contributing to the epidemic of gun violence in 21st century America.

Why not both gun laws and societal change? Why does it have to be one or the other?

If, as you say, gun laws will cause the problem to go underground leading to no net effect, then why have regulations in other countries appeared to work?

Because other countries do not glorify guns and violence the way Americans do.

So take the guns away. That takes away the thing being glorified. The easy access to guns in this country is absolutely part of the problem.

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:And, overlapping a bit, but here is what Chicago LEO proposed to cut down on city gun violence.

- Pass the Gun Trafficking Prevention legislature which includes enforcement measures at every link in the illegal chain of custody of a trafficked firearm;
- Create comprehensive background checks on all firearm sales, regardless of the venue or type of seller;
- Lift ATF restrictions on oversight and enforcement of gun dealers;
- Increase ATF resources, manpower, and enforcement of current firearm trafficking laws;
- Regulate and track online sales of all firearms;
- Lift restrictions on firearm sale recordkeeping, data access, and reporting;
- Increase federal prosecution of gun trafficking and illegal gun possession offenses;
- Increase federal law enforcement collaboration with local and state law enforcement agencies across regions

What is the issue with online sales exactly?

Any weapon purchased online isn’t going to be shipped directly from the seller -> buyer, but instead to a FFL holder, who completes the transaction and administers the necessary background check on the person who bought the weapon online

I believe they are referring to the secondary gun market.

Yup. Frankly, there should be no wholly private secondary market. Every private sale in every state should be conducted through a FFL 3rd party who conducts a NICS check on the potential buyer. The fact that you can go to a gun show, meet a private individual on the floor, and buy a firearm out of the trunk of his car with no NICS check is pure insanity.

I think that having all sales go through a FFL with NICS check is an example of common sense legislation. That being said, I am hard pressed to recall any of these horrific events ever playing out that way. Holmes, Laughner, Nidal, Cho, this guy in Uvalde, etc...all of these guys passed the NICS check and every one of them would be classified as waiting room diagnosis mentally ill.

How many were <21?

I read an interesting article recently that the prefrontal cortex (which governs impulse control, among other things) isn't fully developed until 25. BUT, there are shooters who use other people's guns (the Sandy Hook shooter used his mother's guns, I believe). So while I support raising the age at which you can buy guns, and I support having to register them and report ownership transfers (we do this for cars), I think more is needed.

Agree.