Common Sense Gun Laws

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:It’s naive to think these laws, if enacted, would meaningfully address or curb gun violence. All they would do is drive an industry, which is already moving underground, further underground. Illegal weapons would still be available to whomever wanted one.

Want to curb gun violence and mass shootings? Push for societal changes that lessen the chance of an individual being brought to the brink of committing mass murder. How do we do that? For starters clamp down on the rampant cyber bullying that takes place online. Boycott media moguls (movies, TV, music, video games) that profit off glorifying violence and promoting the idea that it’s cool or sexy to kill people with automatic firearms. Enact changes to education, employment, and housing policies that give more people a sense of hope or purpose in life so they can serve as better parents, role models, or mentors to youth.

“Common sense” gun laws sound nice, but they’re essentially window dressings that won’t fix the pervasive problems contributing to the epidemic of gun violence in 21st century America.

Why not both gun laws and societal change? Why does it have to be one or the other?

If, as you say, gun laws will cause the problem to go underground leading to no net effect, then why have regulations in other countries appeared to work?

Because other countries do not glorify guns and violence the way Americans do.

And other countries don’t have such a free-for-all with gun access.

[Anonymous]

- license and pass a safety test (just like we have for cars)
- license can be taken away for violations, safety hazards (just like for cars)
- insurance required (just like we have for cars)
- police need to have more powerful weapons that citizenry are allowed (just like for cars, police can access equipment citizenry can’t)

Americans love cars just like they love guns. But we seem not to have totally lost their mind over them.

[Anonymous]

Mandatory safety training.

24 hour wait period to buy guns. If we can regulate women’s health care this way we can do it for this. It would lower the rate of heat of the moment shootings.

Registration.

[Anonymous]

Allow gun manufacturers to be sued. Why do they get special protections? We can sue all other manufacturers but not guns?

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:Mandatory safety training.

24 hour wait period to buy guns. If we can regulate women’s health care this way we can do it for this. It would lower the rate of heat of the moment shootings.

Registration.

If you take the time to buy a gun legally, whatever evil you are planning with it can wait a day. When you buy legally, that gun has a serial number and that serial number is linked to you

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:Allow gun manufacturers to be sued. Why do they get special protections? We can sue all other manufacturers but not guns?

I think people can sue them now. At least in a limited way.
https://apnews.com/article/sandy-hook-school-shooting-remington-settlement-e53b95d398ee9b838afc06275a4df403

The civil court case in Connecticut focused on how the firearm used by the Newtown shooter — a Bushmaster XM15-E2S rifle — was marketed, alleging it targeted younger, at-risk males in advertising and product placement in violent video games. In one of Remington’s ads, it features the rifle against a plain backdrop and the phrase: “Consider Your Man Card Reissued.”

But they shouldn’t be protected from liability.

[Anonymous]

So. Any legitimate argument against gun control?

If not, let’s get ‘er done.

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:Taking steps to keep guns out of the hands of those that should not possess them.

Raising age to purchase
Getting people on NICS more easily (e.g., prescribed psychoactive medication)
Severe penalties for straw purchases (and those selling to straw purchasers if it can be shown that seller had this knowledge)
Background checks for all transfers (i.e., no private or face-to-face sales except via federal licensee and with the NICS check)

1. Raise age to what exactly?

2. Agree 110%

3. Also agree 110%

4. In order to accomplish this, would registration be a part of this effort?

The medication thing is touchy in that the mental illness itself can prevent the person from taking it regularly. You can try, sure, but understand you can’t monitor everyone.

It's not about the "taking"...it's the prescribing, and that is why I used that word. I want doctors to notify NICS whenever they prescribe a psychoactive medication. I do realize that this covers a lot of people.

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:Taking steps to keep guns out of the hands of those that should not possess them.

Raising age to purchase
Getting people on NICS more easily (e.g., prescribed psychoactive medication)
Severe penalties for straw purchases (and those selling to straw purchasers if it can be shown that seller had this knowledge)
Background checks for all transfers (i.e., no private or face-to-face sales except via federal licensee and with the NICS check)

1. Raise age to what exactly?

2. Agree 110%

3. Also agree 110%

4. In order to accomplish this, would registration be a part of this effort?

Age? I don't know. What can we agree on? 23? 25? An age where we hope there is some sense of stability or maturity. And an age by which certain earlier transgressions would have been handled as an adult rather than juvenile.

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:Allow gun manufacturers to be sued. Why do they get special protections? We can sue all other manufacturers but not guns?

I think people can sue them now. At least in a limited way.
https://apnews.com/article/sandy-hook-school-shooting-remington-settlement-e53b95d398ee9b838afc06275a4df403

The civil court case in Connecticut focused on how the firearm used by the Newtown shooter — a Bushmaster XM15-E2S rifle — was marketed, alleging it targeted younger, at-risk males in advertising and product placement in violent video games. In one of Remington’s ads, it features the rifle against a plain backdrop and the phrase: “Consider Your Man Card Reissued.”

But they shouldn’t be protected from liability.

They can be sued under state laws, but not federally. Makes it difficult to build class action cases against the manufacturers, but not impossible. It took the Newtown parents many years to finally finish their lawsuit.

California is mounting some very big cases against gun manufacturers. Basically, to bleed them dry and have the manufacturers come begging for consistent regulation.

[Anonymous]

Common sense?

Red flag laws
Inclusion of juvenile record in background check for under 25
Harden schools so tougher to get access
Increased federal spending on mental health
Increased background checks and mental health screening
Elimination of gun shows - at least how they run now
Ban high capacity magazines
Ban ghost guns
Mandatory safety training
Better police training

All of this can be done now. There is support for much of this now on both sides. Maybe there is more/other items.

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:Taking steps to keep guns out of the hands of those that should not possess them.

Raising age to purchase
Getting people on NICS more easily (e.g., prescribed psychoactive medication)
Severe penalties for straw purchases (and those selling to straw purchasers if it can be shown that seller had this knowledge)
Background checks for all transfers (i.e., no private or face-to-face sales except via federal licensee and with the NICS check)

1. Raise age to what exactly?

2. Agree 110%

3. Also agree 110%

4. In order to accomplish this, would registration be a part of this effort?

Age? I don't know. What can we agree on? 23? 25? An age where we hope there is some sense of stability or maturity. And an age by which certain earlier transgressions would have been handled as an adult rather than juvenile.

The votes are not going to be there to change the age. Even after this.

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:Taking steps to keep guns out of the hands of those that should not possess them.

Raising age to purchase
Getting people on NICS more easily (e.g., prescribed psychoactive medication)
Severe penalties for straw purchases (and those selling to straw purchasers if it can be shown that seller had this knowledge)
Background checks for all transfers (i.e., no private or face-to-face sales except via federal licensee and with the NICS check)

1. Raise age to what exactly?

2. Agree 110%

3. Also agree 110%

4. In order to accomplish this, would registration be a part of this effort?

Age? I don't know. What can we agree on? 23? 25? An age where we hope there is some sense of stability or maturity. And an age by which certain earlier transgressions would have been handled as an adult rather than juvenile.

I think having the juvenile record being part of background check for people under 25 could get done. It sounds like the shooter had an issue at age 14 that if known should have disqualified him from being able to purchase. I think this can get done right away.

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:Common sense?

Red flag laws
Inclusion of juvenile record in background check for under 25
Harden schools so tougher to get access
Increased federal spending on mental health
Increased background checks and mental health screening
Elimination of gun shows - at least how they run now
Ban high capacity magazines
Ban ghost guns
Mandatory safety training
Better police training

All of this can be done now. There is support for much of this now on both sides. Maybe there is more/other items.

+1

Get it done. No more lane excuses.

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:And, overlapping a bit, but here is what Chicago LEO proposed to cut down on city gun violence.

- Pass the Gun Trafficking Prevention legislature which includes enforcement measures at every link in the illegal chain of custody of a trafficked firearm;
- Create comprehensive background checks on all firearm sales, regardless of the venue or type of seller;
- Lift ATF restrictions on oversight and enforcement of gun dealers;
- Increase ATF resources, manpower, and enforcement of current firearm trafficking laws;
- Regulate and track online sales of all firearms;
- Lift restrictions on firearm sale recordkeeping, data access, and reporting;
- Increase federal prosecution of gun trafficking and illegal gun possession offenses;
- Increase federal law enforcement collaboration with local and state law enforcement agencies across regions

What is the issue with online sales exactly?

Any weapon purchased online isn’t going to be shipped directly from the seller -> buyer, but instead to a FFL holder, who completes the transaction and administers the necessary background check on the person who bought the weapon online