TJ admissions change from Merit to Essay impact to Asian American Students

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:This entire thing is so damn stupid. Since the demand for academic programming like what TJ has is so high that hundreds of willing kids are being shut out, why not open a second school offering the exact same programming? Families should organize around increasing the amount of schools offering TJ level curriculum instead of fighting with each other over an artificially few number of slots.

second is second. If second wants to replace first, second has to work-hard. All worthwhile firsts usually establish a criteria to weed out the unprepared. There is a reason why stem magnet schools exist; to draw the best, and nurture those who are determined to be the best. Once cannot expect to throw dollars and create new stem schools. Because a competitive stem school is not a new building, or fancy cutting edge curriculum, or tough grading, or high calibre teachers. Stem school is all students, what caliber are being admited, and how rigorous of a curriculum are they taking on.

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:That was the design. TJ needs the diversity. Inclusive programs will help every student at the school.

Merit Test based Admissions:
Class of 2019, Asian American students received 70.20%
Class of 2020, Asian American students received 71.34%
Class of 2021, Asian American students received 74.90%
Class of 2023, Asian American students received 72.87%
Class of 2024, Asian American students received 73.05%

Admissions changed to Essay based, and increased enrollment of 8th grade algebra1 students:
Class of 2025, Asian American students received 54.36%
Class of 2026, Asian American students received 59.82%
Class of 2027, Asian American students received 61.64%.
Class of 2028, Asian American students received 57.27%

https://www.fcps.edu/news/offers-extended-thomas-jefferson-high-school-science-and-technology-class-2028

But TJ post AP advanced multivariable calculus class is still all Asian. That class is waiting for the arrival of the diversity bus, which appears to be stuck in remedial math.

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:That was the design. TJ needs the diversity. Inclusive programs will help every student at the school.

Merit Test based Admissions:
Class of 2019, Asian American students received 70.20%
Class of 2020, Asian American students received 71.34%
Class of 2021, Asian American students received 74.90%
Class of 2023, Asian American students received 72.87%
Class of 2024, Asian American students received 73.05%

Admissions changed to Essay based, and increased enrollment of 8th grade algebra1 students:
Class of 2025, Asian American students received 54.36%
Class of 2026, Asian American students received 59.82%
Class of 2027, Asian American students received 61.64%.
Class of 2028, Asian American students received 57.27%

https://www.fcps.edu/news/offers-extended-thomas-jefferson-high-school-science-and-technology-class-2028

But TJ post AP advanced multivariable calculus class is still all Asian. That class is waiting for the arrival of the diversity bus, which appears to be stuck in remedial math.

That’s mainly a senior level class and the first new admission class is just Junior year now. So naturally you wouldn’t see any differences yet.

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:This entire thing is so damn stupid. Since the demand for academic programming like what TJ has is so high that hundreds of willing kids are being shut out, why not open a second school offering the exact same programming? Families should organize around increasing the amount of schools offering TJ level curriculum instead of fighting with each other over an artificially few number of slots.

second is second. If second wants to replace first, second has to work-hard. All worthwhile firsts usually establish a criteria to weed out the unprepared. There is a reason why stem magnet schools exist; to draw the best, and nurture those who are determined to be the best. Once cannot expect to throw dollars and create new stem schools. Because a competitive stem school is not a new building, or fancy cutting edge curriculum, or tough grading, or high calibre teachers. Stem school is all students, what caliber are being admited, and how rigorous of a curriculum are they taking on.

There just aren't enough kids able to do work at this level. I mean sure some were able to fake it before through prep but usually stalled out once admitted.

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:That was the design. TJ needs the diversity. Inclusive programs will help every student at the school.

Merit Test based Admissions:
Class of 2019, Asian American students received 70.20%
Class of 2020, Asian American students received 71.34%
Class of 2021, Asian American students received 74.90%
Class of 2023, Asian American students received 72.87%
Class of 2024, Asian American students received 73.05%

Admissions changed to Essay based, and increased enrollment of 8th grade algebra1 students:
Class of 2025, Asian American students received 54.36%
Class of 2026, Asian American students received 59.82%
Class of 2027, Asian American students received 61.64%.
Class of 2028, Asian American students received 57.27%



https://www.fcps.edu/news/offers-extended-thomas-jefferson-high-school-science-and-technology-class-2028

But TJ post AP advanced multivariable calculus class is still all Asian. That class is waiting for the arrival of the diversity bus, which appears to be stuck in remedial math.

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[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:That was the design. TJ needs the diversity. Inclusive programs will help every student at the school.

Merit Test based Admissions:
Class of 2019, Asian American students received 70.20%
Class of 2020, Asian American students received 71.34%
Class of 2021, Asian American students received 74.90%
Class of 2023, Asian American students received 72.87%
Class of 2024, Asian American students received 73.05%

Admissions changed to Essay based, and increased enrollment of 8th grade algebra1 students:
Class of 2025, Asian American students received 54.36%
Class of 2026, Asian American students received 59.82%
Class of 2027, Asian American students received 61.64%.
Class of 2028, Asian American students received 57.27%

https://www.fcps.edu/news/offers-extended-thomas-jefferson-high-school-science-and-technology-class-2028

But TJ post AP advanced multivariable calculus class is still all Asian. That class is waiting for the arrival of the diversity bus, which appears to be stuck in remedial math.

That’s mainly a senior level class and the first new admission class is just Junior year now. So naturally you wouldn’t see any differences yet.

The algebra 1 students find Calc AB itself a challenge in senior year. If they turn super smart after joining TJ, they would still need to skip a level to enroll in Calc BC, and that's about the highest level of their math path.

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:That was the design. TJ needs the diversity. Inclusive programs will help every student at the school.

Merit Test based Admissions:
Class of 2019, Asian American students received 70.20%
Class of 2020, Asian American students received 71.34%
Class of 2021, Asian American students received 74.90%
Class of 2023, Asian American students received 72.87%
Class of 2024, Asian American students received 73.05%

Admissions changed to Essay based, and increased enrollment of 8th grade algebra1 students:
Class of 2025, Asian American students received 54.36%
Class of 2026, Asian American students received 59.82%
Class of 2027, Asian American students received 61.64%.
Class of 2028, Asian American students received 57.27%

https://www.fcps.edu/news/offers-extended-thomas-jefferson-high-school-science-and-technology-class-2028

But TJ post AP advanced multivariable calculus class is still all Asian. That class is waiting for the arrival of the diversity bus, which appears to be stuck in remedial math.

That’s mainly a senior level class and the first new admission class is just Junior year now. So naturally you wouldn’t see any differences yet.

The algebra 1 students find Calc AB itself a challenge in senior year. If they turn super smart after joining TJ, they would still need to skip a level to enroll in Calc BC, and that's about the highest level of their math path.

If you listen to TJ Math teachers over the years, many would disagree with you. Students who take the progression of Geometry, Alg2, and PreCalc (or their TJ equivalents) at TJ rather than at their middle school will usually have a stronger foundation in the fundamentals at each level because they have learned those topics amidst the rigor of TJ.

Students who enter TJ at a significantly advanced level, by contrast, will frequently have gaps in their fundamentals or understanding of the "why" behind the concepts unless they came from Eugene or Vern or someone equally strong.

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:That was the design. TJ needs the diversity. Inclusive programs will help every student at the school.

Merit Test based Admissions:
Class of 2019, Asian American students received 70.20%
Class of 2020, Asian American students received 71.34%
Class of 2021, Asian American students received 74.90%
Class of 2023, Asian American students received 72.87%
Class of 2024, Asian American students received 73.05%

Admissions changed to Essay based, and increased enrollment of 8th grade algebra1 students:
Class of 2025, Asian American students received 54.36%
Class of 2026, Asian American students received 59.82%
Class of 2027, Asian American students received 61.64%.
Class of 2028, Asian American students received 57.27%

https://www.fcps.edu/news/offers-extended-thomas-jefferson-high-school-science-and-technology-class-2028

But TJ post AP advanced multivariable calculus class is still all Asian. That class is waiting for the arrival of the diversity bus, which appears to be stuck in remedial math.

That’s mainly a senior level class and the first new admission class is just Junior year now. So naturally you wouldn’t see any differences yet.

The algebra 1 students find Calc AB itself a challenge in senior year. If they turn super smart after joining TJ, they would still need to skip a level to enroll in Calc BC, and that's about the highest level of their math path.

If you listen to TJ Math teachers over the years, many would disagree with you. Students who take the progression of Geometry, Alg2, and PreCalc (or their TJ equivalents) at TJ rather than at their middle school will usually have a stronger foundation in the fundamentals at each level because they have learned those topics amidst the rigor of TJ.

Students who enter TJ at a significantly advanced level, by contrast, will frequently have gaps in their fundamentals or understanding of the "why" behind the concepts unless they came from Eugene or Vern or someone equally strong.

Foundation for what? Only by the senior year, Alg 1 students would reach the math level needed for TJ's science courses. Alg 2 and more advanced students can always cover their gaps if any during the 4 years while benefiting from the rigorous curriculum.

Before the new admissions, most TJ students were Geo and higher, no complaint heard then. Teachers onlt started complaining in the new admissions when politics meddles with the teaching.

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:That was the design. TJ needs the diversity. Inclusive programs will help every student at the school.

Merit Test based Admissions:
Class of 2019, Asian American students received 70.20%
Class of 2020, Asian American students received 71.34%
Class of 2021, Asian American students received 74.90%
Class of 2023, Asian American students received 72.87%
Class of 2024, Asian American students received 73.05%

Admissions changed to Essay based, and increased enrollment of 8th grade algebra1 students:
Class of 2025, Asian American students received 54.36%
Class of 2026, Asian American students received 59.82%
Class of 2027, Asian American students received 61.64%.
Class of 2028, Asian American students received 57.27%

https://www.fcps.edu/news/offers-extended-thomas-jefferson-high-school-science-and-technology-class-2028

But TJ post AP advanced multivariable calculus class is still all Asian. That class is waiting for the arrival of the diversity bus, which appears to be stuck in remedial math.

That’s mainly a senior level class and the first new admission class is just Junior year now. So naturally you wouldn’t see any differences yet.

The algebra 1 students find Calc AB itself a challenge in senior year. If they turn super smart after joining TJ, they would still need to skip a level to enroll in Calc BC, and that's about the highest level of their math path.

If you listen to TJ Math teachers over the years, many would disagree with you. Students who take the progression of Geometry, Alg2, and PreCalc (or their TJ equivalents) at TJ rather than at their middle school will usually have a stronger foundation in the fundamentals at each level because they have learned those topics amidst the rigor of TJ.

Students who enter TJ at a significantly advanced level, by contrast, will frequently have gaps in their fundamentals or understanding of the "why" behind the concepts unless they came from Eugene or Vern or someone equally strong.

Foundation for what? Only by the senior year, Alg 1 students would reach the math level needed for TJ's science courses. Alg 2 and more advanced students can always cover their gaps if any during the 4 years while benefiting from the rigorous curriculum.

Before the new admissions, most TJ students were Geo and higher, no complaint heard then. Teachers onlt started complaining in the new admissions when politics meddles with the teaching.

This is a very muddled thought and I'm not quite sure what you were trying to get at with it.

"TJ's science courses" are very different from those that you'll get a base high school, beginning with Freshmen Biology and running all the way through the AP and post-AP courses. There are a very small number of those courses that are only available with BC Calculus as a pre-requisite, but the rest of them do not have pre-reqs at all.

You didn't hear the complaints from prior to the new admissions processes because either you weren't paying attention, you're not sufficiently connected to TJ, or you ignored them because they don't support your pernicious narrative. Please leave the conversation to those who actually know what they're talking about with respect to TJ.

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:That was the design. TJ needs the diversity. Inclusive programs will help every student at the school.

Merit Test based Admissions:
Class of 2019, Asian American students received 70.20%
Class of 2020, Asian American students received 71.34%
Class of 2021, Asian American students received 74.90%
Class of 2023, Asian American students received 72.87%
Class of 2024, Asian American students received 73.05%

Admissions changed to Essay based, and increased enrollment of 8th grade algebra1 students:
Class of 2025, Asian American students received 54.36%
Class of 2026, Asian American students received 59.82%
Class of 2027, Asian American students received 61.64%.
Class of 2028, Asian American students received 57.27%

https://www.fcps.edu/news/offers-extended-thomas-jefferson-high-school-science-and-technology-class-2028

But TJ post AP advanced multivariable calculus class is still all Asian. That class is waiting for the arrival of the diversity bus, which appears to be stuck in remedial math.

That’s mainly a senior level class and the first new admission class is just Junior year now. So naturally you wouldn’t see any differences yet.

The algebra 1 students find Calc AB itself a challenge in senior year. If they turn super smart after joining TJ, they would still need to skip a level to enroll in Calc BC, and that's about the highest level of their math path.

If you listen to TJ Math teachers over the years, many would disagree with you. Students who take the progression of Geometry, Alg2, and PreCalc (or their TJ equivalents) at TJ rather than at their middle school will usually have a stronger foundation in the fundamentals at each level because they have learned those topics amidst the rigor of TJ.

Students who enter TJ at a significantly advanced level, by contrast, will frequently have gaps in their fundamentals or understanding of the "why" behind the concepts unless they came from Eugene or Vern or someone equally strong.

OMG, enough with the Alg 1 is really good BS.

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:That was the design. TJ needs the diversity. Inclusive programs will help every student at the school.

Merit Test based Admissions:
Class of 2019, Asian American students received 70.20%
Class of 2020, Asian American students received 71.34%
Class of 2021, Asian American students received 74.90%
Class of 2023, Asian American students received 72.87%
Class of 2024, Asian American students received 73.05%

Admissions changed to Essay based, and increased enrollment of 8th grade algebra1 students:
Class of 2025, Asian American students received 54.36%
Class of 2026, Asian American students received 59.82%
Class of 2027, Asian American students received 61.64%.
Class of 2028, Asian American students received 57.27%

https://www.fcps.edu/news/offers-extended-thomas-jefferson-high-school-science-and-technology-class-2028

But TJ post AP advanced multivariable calculus class is still all Asian. That class is waiting for the arrival of the diversity bus, which appears to be stuck in remedial math.

That’s mainly a senior level class and the first new admission class is just Junior year now. So naturally you wouldn’t see any differences yet.

The algebra 1 students find Calc AB itself a challenge in senior year. If they turn super smart after joining TJ, they would still need to skip a level to enroll in Calc BC, and that's about the highest level of their math path.

If you listen to TJ Math teachers over the years, many would disagree with you. Students who take the progression of Geometry, Alg2, and PreCalc (or their TJ equivalents) at TJ rather than at their middle school will usually have a stronger foundation in the fundamentals at each level because they have learned those topics amidst the rigor of TJ.

Students who enter TJ at a significantly advanced level, by contrast, will frequently have gaps in their fundamentals or understanding of the "why" behind the concepts unless they came from Eugene or Vern or someone equally strong.

OMG, enough with the Alg 1 is really good BS.

You're misunderstanding me, for whatever reason. I'm not saying that there's any inherent merit in students coming in from Alg 1.

But what is absolutely, incontrovertibly true is that the equivalents of Geometry, Alg2, and PreCalc at TJ are orders of magnitude better than what you will get at a middle school, with very few exceptions.

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:That was the design. TJ needs the diversity. Inclusive programs will help every student at the school.

Merit Test based Admissions:
Class of 2019, Asian American students received 70.20%
Class of 2020, Asian American students received 71.34%
Class of 2021, Asian American students received 74.90%
Class of 2023, Asian American students received 72.87%
Class of 2024, Asian American students received 73.05%

Admissions changed to Essay based, and increased enrollment of 8th grade algebra1 students:
Class of 2025, Asian American students received 54.36%
Class of 2026, Asian American students received 59.82%
Class of 2027, Asian American students received 61.64%.
Class of 2028, Asian American students received 57.27%

https://www.fcps.edu/news/offers-extended-thomas-jefferson-high-school-science-and-technology-class-2028

But TJ post AP advanced multivariable calculus class is still all Asian. That class is waiting for the arrival of the diversity bus, which appears to be stuck in remedial math.

That’s mainly a senior level class and the first new admission class is just Junior year now. So naturally you wouldn’t see any differences yet.

The algebra 1 students find Calc AB itself a challenge in senior year. If they turn super smart after joining TJ, they would still need to skip a level to enroll in Calc BC, and that's about the highest level of their math path.

If you listen to TJ Math teachers over the years, many would disagree with you. Students who take the progression of Geometry, Alg2, and PreCalc (or their TJ equivalents) at TJ rather than at their middle school will usually have a stronger foundation in the fundamentals at each level because they have learned those topics amidst the rigor of TJ.

Students who enter TJ at a significantly advanced level, by contrast, will frequently have gaps in their fundamentals or understanding of the "why" behind the concepts unless they came from Eugene or Vern or someone equally strong.

Foundation for what? Only by the senior year, Alg 1 students would reach the math level needed for TJ's science courses. Alg 2 and more advanced students can always cover their gaps if any during the 4 years while benefiting from the rigorous curriculum.

Before the new admissions, most TJ students were Geo and higher, no complaint heard then. Teachers onlt started complaining in the new admissions when politics meddles with the teaching.

What's disheartening is that Equity hires have been brought into the TJ administration for key positions, and all complaints from math teachers must first go through them for vetting. Math teachers are prohibited from directly addressing concerns with students or parents via emails. Any communication from teachers "with concerns" must undergo an Equity filter.

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:That was the design. TJ needs the diversity. Inclusive programs will help every student at the school.

Merit Test based Admissions:
Class of 2019, Asian American students received 70.20%
Class of 2020, Asian American students received 71.34%
Class of 2021, Asian American students received 74.90%
Class of 2023, Asian American students received 72.87%
Class of 2024, Asian American students received 73.05%

Admissions changed to Essay based, and increased enrollment of 8th grade algebra1 students:
Class of 2025, Asian American students received 54.36%
Class of 2026, Asian American students received 59.82%
Class of 2027, Asian American students received 61.64%.
Class of 2028, Asian American students received 57.27%

https://www.fcps.edu/news/offers-extended-thomas-jefferson-high-school-science-and-technology-class-2028

But TJ post AP advanced multivariable calculus class is still all Asian. That class is waiting for the arrival of the diversity bus, which appears to be stuck in remedial math.

That’s mainly a senior level class and the first new admission class is just Junior year now. So naturally you wouldn’t see any differences yet.

The algebra 1 students find Calc AB itself a challenge in senior year. If they turn super smart after joining TJ, they would still need to skip a level to enroll in Calc BC, and that's about the highest level of their math path.

If you listen to TJ Math teachers over the years, many would disagree with you. Students who take the progression of Geometry, Alg2, and PreCalc (or their TJ equivalents) at TJ rather than at their middle school will usually have a stronger foundation in the fundamentals at each level because they have learned those topics amidst the rigor of TJ.

Students who enter TJ at a significantly advanced level, by contrast, will frequently have gaps in their fundamentals or understanding of the "why" behind the concepts unless they came from Eugene or Vern or someone equally strong.

Foundation for what? Only by the senior year, Alg 1 students would reach the math level needed for TJ's science courses. Alg 2 and more advanced students can always cover their gaps if any during the 4 years while benefiting from the rigorous curriculum.

Before the new admissions, most TJ students were Geo and higher, no complaint heard then. Teachers onlt started complaining in the new admissions when politics meddles with the teaching.

What's disheartening is that Equity hires have been brought into the TJ administration for key positions, and all complaints from math teachers must first go through them for vetting. Math teachers are prohibited from directly addressing concerns with students or parents via emails. Any communication from teachers "with concerns" must undergo an Equity filter.

I just love these creative fictions.

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:That was the design. TJ needs the diversity. Inclusive programs will help every student at the school.

Merit Test based Admissions:
Class of 2019, Asian American students received 70.20%
Class of 2020, Asian American students received 71.34%
Class of 2021, Asian American students received 74.90%
Class of 2023, Asian American students received 72.87%
Class of 2024, Asian American students received 73.05%

Admissions changed to Essay based, and increased enrollment of 8th grade algebra1 students:
Class of 2025, Asian American students received 54.36%
Class of 2026, Asian American students received 59.82%
Class of 2027, Asian American students received 61.64%.
Class of 2028, Asian American students received 57.27%

https://www.fcps.edu/news/offers-extended-thomas-jefferson-high-school-science-and-technology-class-2028

But TJ post AP advanced multivariable calculus class is still all Asian. That class is waiting for the arrival of the diversity bus, which appears to be stuck in remedial math.

That’s mainly a senior level class and the first new admission class is just Junior year now. So naturally you wouldn’t see any differences yet.

The algebra 1 students find Calc AB itself a challenge in senior year. If they turn super smart after joining TJ, they would still need to skip a level to enroll in Calc BC, and that's about the highest level of their math path.

If you listen to TJ Math teachers over the years, many would disagree with you. Students who take the progression of Geometry, Alg2, and PreCalc (or their TJ equivalents) at TJ rather than at their middle school will usually have a stronger foundation in the fundamentals at each level because they have learned those topics amidst the rigor of TJ.

Students who enter TJ at a significantly advanced level, by contrast, will frequently have gaps in their fundamentals or understanding of the "why" behind the concepts unless they came from Eugene or Vern or someone equally strong.

Foundation for what? Only by the senior year, Alg 1 students would reach the math level needed for TJ's science courses. Alg 2 and more advanced students can always cover their gaps if any during the 4 years while benefiting from the rigorous curriculum.

Before the new admissions, most TJ students were Geo and higher, no complaint heard then. Teachers onlt started complaining in the new admissions when politics meddles with the teaching.

What's disheartening is that Equity hires have been brought into the TJ administration for key positions, and all complaints from math teachers must first go through them for vetting. Math teachers are prohibited from directly addressing concerns with students or parents via emails. Any communication from teachers "with concerns" must undergo an Equity filter.

Courts have ruled that Teachers do have free speech rights.
"In Pickering v. Board of Education (1968), the Supreme Court ruled that an Illinois high school science teacher, Marvin Pickering, had a First Amendment right to send a letter to the editor of the local newspaper. Pickering had been dismissed for sending a letter that criticized the school board "

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:This entire thing is so damn stupid. Since the demand for academic programming like what TJ has is so high that hundreds of willing kids are being shut out, why not open a second school offering the exact same programming? Families should organize around increasing the amount of schools offering TJ level curriculum instead of fighting with each other over an artificially few number of slots.

There may be that many willing, but it is not clear there are that many capable students. They increased the number of seats to blunt the impact of quota seats, but I suspect the number of students capable of handling the classes is actually lower.