Protests on college campuses

[Anonymous]

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Jeff may give me another time out for posting this. But yeah - calling for eliminating Hillel is antisemitic. Yes, it is.

The call is for local chapters to dissociate from Hillel International not to eliminate Hillel on campus, but of course there is no interest in reporting that accurately.

It’s no different than national fraternities dissociating from local chapters or vice versa when one of them is out of step with the university’s policies.

Why should non-Jewish students have any say in whether a Jewish student group is affiliated with a national group?

That’s a pretty dumb argument.

Why should Black students have a say in whether white students want a white supremacist organization on campus?

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:

Jeff may give me another time out for posting this. But yeah - calling for eliminating Hillel is antisemitic. Yes, it is.

My problem is you can't have it both ways. You can't decry Palestinian protestors who have ties to national orgs, while saying this demand is a problem. A quick Google search shows that support for Israel is an official policy of Hillel and is funded by big donors, making it essentially political* despite its effectiveness for providing a safe space for Jewish students. I've also seen people protest Northwestern giving in to protestors who wanted a Palestinian/Muslim safe place. Make it equal.

I also think this Tweeter loses credibility because there is nothing pro-Hamas in that document.

*"Joel transformed the funding structure of Hillel International to rely more on private funding from large donors, many of whom were strong supporters of Israel. The influence of these large donors grew until support for Israel became an official policy of Hillel International in 2010."
https://www.influencewatch.org/non-profit/hillel-international/#:~:text=Joel%20transformed%20the%20funding%20structure,were%20strong%20supporters%20of%20Israel.

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Jeff may give me another time out for posting this. But yeah - calling for eliminating Hillel is antisemitic. Yes, it is.

My problem is you can't have it both ways. You can't decry Palestinian protestors who have ties to national orgs, while saying this demand is a problem. A quick Google search shows that support for Israel is an official policy of Hillel and is funded by big donors, making it essentially political* despite its effectiveness for providing a safe space for Jewish students. I've also seen people protest Northwestern giving in to protestors who wanted a Palestinian/Muslim safe place. Make it equal.

I also think this Tweeter loses credibility because there is nothing pro-Hamas in that document.

*"Joel transformed the funding structure of Hillel International to rely more on private funding from large donors, many of whom were strong supporters of Israel. The influence of these large donors grew until support for Israel became an official policy of Hillel International in 2010."
https://www.influencewatch.org/non-profit/hillel-international/#:~:text=Joel%20transformed%20the%20funding%20structure,were%20strong%20supporters%20of%20Israel.

so now you all want to erase anyone who supports israel's existence? no one is allowed to speak, or exist, if we believe israel as a country should exist - that's your position? that's the position of these protesters?

wow.

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Jeff may give me another time out for posting this. But yeah - calling for eliminating Hillel is antisemitic. Yes, it is.

The call is for local chapters to dissociate from Hillel International not to eliminate Hillel on campus, but of course there is no interest in reporting that accurately.

It’s no different than national fraternities dissociating from local chapters or vice versa when one of them is out of step with the university’s policies.

Why should non-Jewish students have any say in whether a Jewish student group is affiliated with a national group?

That’s a pretty dumb argument.

Why should Black students have a say in whether white students want a white supremacist organization on campus?

Hillel is not the equivalent of a white supremacist group. WTF.

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Jeff may give me another time out for posting this. But yeah - calling for eliminating Hillel is antisemitic. Yes, it is.

My problem is you can't have it both ways. You can't decry Palestinian protestors who have ties to national orgs, while saying this demand is a problem. A quick Google search shows that support for Israel is an official policy of Hillel and is funded by big donors, making it essentially political* despite its effectiveness for providing a safe space for Jewish students. I've also seen people protest Northwestern giving in to protestors who wanted a Palestinian/Muslim safe place. Make it equal.

I also think this Tweeter loses credibility because there is nothing pro-Hamas in that document.

*"Joel transformed the funding structure of Hillel International to rely more on private funding from large donors, many of whom were strong supporters of Israel. The influence of these large donors grew until support for Israel became an official policy of Hillel International in 2010."
https://www.influencewatch.org/non-profit/hillel-international/#:~:text=Joel%20transformed%20the%20funding%20structure,were%20strong%20supporters%20of%20Israel.

No student has a right to limit what other students can do based on a relationship with another nation’s politics. That’s pure discrimination based on nationality as well as viewpoint discrimination.

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Jeff may give me another time out for posting this. But yeah - calling for eliminating Hillel is antisemitic. Yes, it is.

My problem is you can't have it both ways. You can't decry Palestinian protestors who have ties to national orgs, while saying this demand is a problem. A quick Google search shows that support for Israel is an official policy of Hillel and is funded by big donors, making it essentially political* despite its effectiveness for providing a safe space for Jewish students. I've also seen people protest Northwestern giving in to protestors who wanted a Palestinian/Muslim safe place. Make it equal.

I also think this Tweeter loses credibility because there is nothing pro-Hamas in that document.

*"Joel transformed the funding structure of Hillel International to rely more on private funding from large donors, many of whom were strong supporters of Israel. The influence of these large donors grew until support for Israel became an official policy of Hillel International in 2010."
https://www.influencewatch.org/non-profit/hillel-international/#:~:text=Joel%20transformed%20the%20funding%20structure,were%20strong%20supporters%20of%20Israel.

No student has a right to limit what other students can do based on a relationship with another nation’s politics. That’s pure discrimination based on nationality as well as viewpoint discrimination.

The problem is that "israel" is being equated with judiasm, or being Jewish.

I am an American Jew who supports Israel's right to exist and also supports the Palestinians right to exist, and hate Hamas and Likud equally.

Where do these movements leave someone like me?

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Jeff may give me another time out for posting this. But yeah - calling for eliminating Hillel is antisemitic. Yes, it is.

My problem is you can't have it both ways. You can't decry Palestinian protestors who have ties to national orgs, while saying this demand is a problem. A quick Google search shows that support for Israel is an official policy of Hillel and is funded by big donors, making it essentially political* despite its effectiveness for providing a safe space for Jewish students. I've also seen people protest Northwestern giving in to protestors who wanted a Palestinian/Muslim safe place. Make it equal.

I also think this Tweeter loses credibility because there is nothing pro-Hamas in that document.

*"Joel transformed the funding structure of Hillel International to rely more on private funding from large donors, many of whom were strong supporters of Israel. The influence of these large donors grew until support for Israel became an official policy of Hillel International in 2010."
https://www.influencewatch.org/non-profit/hillel-international/#:~:text=Joel%20transformed%20the%20funding%20structure,were%20strong%20supporters%20of%20Israel.

No student has a right to limit what other students can do based on a relationship with another nation’s politics. That’s pure discrimination based on nationality as well as viewpoint discrimination.

The problem is that "israel" is being equated with judiasm, or being Jewish.

I am an American Jew who supports Israel's right to exist and also supports the Palestinians right to exist, and hate Hamas and Likud equally.

Where do these movements leave someone like me?

they leave you in the majority. i'm an american jew who feels the exact same - and so do almost all the other jews i know. we are the MAJORITY.

groups like hillel are not out crying for the extermination of palestinians, either.

unlike the college protesters crying out for the erasure of people like us.

[Anonymous]

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Anonymous wrote:This thread is almost 100% the Geritol crown rn.

You know, you keep frantically attempting ageist insults all over the place to desperately keep your propaganda bubble in place, but the fact is that the protestors are widely despised across all age groups. I’m no boomer, either. Just someone who sees how pathetic you are. When you have to resort to ageism to just pretend you’ve got an argument, you have nothing to stand on whatsoever.

You and your cohort have lost. You are disliked, have alienated most Americans, have managed to do nothing but drive support away from Gaza, have given the Republicans a gigantic electoral gift, and have largely managed to convince vast swaths of the electorate that you are all entitled nutcases. No amount of ageist insults can stop that truth from spreading at this point.

The side opposed to Israel’s actions and calling from an immediate ceasefire on humanitarian grounds is already starting from the high ground of having just about every other nation in the world, save the U.S., in full accord with their position. At this point, Israel and the U.S. are isolated on that front.

DP. I find it beyond bizarre that you and the people you're defending (pro-Palestinian protesters) haven't called on HAMAS to step up, return the hostages, and agree to a ceasefire. Why is that?

NP. I will tell you why I don’t call on Hamas to do anything. It’s because I simply have zero expectation that they care about what I or the American govt say. They are a terrorist organization. In fact, they may draw strength from US calls for returning hostages etc.

I still harbor hope that the Israelis are persuadable that their actions are wrong and that the lives of Palestinians in Gaza matter. And that they do not wish to continue the horrific destruction they are unleashing currently. And I would like my govt to pressure Israel with diplomacy (like they may be doing) and funding (conditioning of aide) to behave differently.

The US power structure is aligned closer with Israel than the Palestinian people (congress, the WH, the State Dept, wealthy donors). The protesters are railing (ineffectively it seems) against the power structure as they have through time. Why would you think calling on Hamas to return the hostages (which anyone of good conscience must want) would require a protest in the US?

The protests are directly organized by people with connections to Palestine. They absolutely could call for Hamas to lay down their weapons and return the hostages, and work on a 2-state solution. But they affirmatively praise “resistance” and call for “from the river to the sea.” what you don’t get is that this is VERY much expressly pro-Palestine winning the war, not pro-peace.

Were pre 10/7 protests against Hamas effective in Gaza? Again, Hamas (or any terrorist organization) is not persuadable by protests in the US in ways that a democratically elected govt with close ties to the US may reasonably be expected to.

For Hamas to lose the de facto support of the Palestinian people would require that 1. The Palestinians believe that they can get their voices heard without the bomb throwers and 2. It becomes worse for a family or individual to support Hamas than not.
Neither of those two conditions are true right now. And it is the way that the troubles in Ireland quieted down.

So you’re saying the US protestors affirmatively support Hamas?

I am sorry. I truly don’t understand how you got that from what I posted. Help me understand and I will correct the record.

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Jeff may give me another time out for posting this. But yeah - calling for eliminating Hillel is antisemitic. Yes, it is.

My problem is you can't have it both ways. You can't decry Palestinian protestors who have ties to national orgs, while saying this demand is a problem. A quick Google search shows that support for Israel is an official policy of Hillel and is funded by big donors, making it essentially political* despite its effectiveness for providing a safe space for Jewish students. I've also seen people protest Northwestern giving in to protestors who wanted a Palestinian/Muslim safe place. Make it equal.

I also think this Tweeter loses credibility because there is nothing pro-Hamas in that document.

*"Joel transformed the funding structure of Hillel International to rely more on private funding from large donors, many of whom were strong supporters of Israel. The influence of these large donors grew until support for Israel became an official policy of Hillel International in 2010."
https://www.influencewatch.org/non-profit/hillel-international/#:~:text=Joel%20transformed%20the%20funding%20structure,were%20strong%20supporters%20of%20Israel.

No student has a right to limit what other students can do based on a relationship with another nation’s politics. That’s pure discrimination based on nationality as well as viewpoint discrimination.

The problem is that "israel" is being equated with judiasm, or being Jewish.

I am an American Jew who supports Israel's right to exist and also supports the Palestinians right to exist, and hate Hamas and Likud equally.

Where do these movements leave someone like me?

they leave you in the majority. i'm an american jew who feels the exact same - and so do almost all the other jews i know. we are the MAJORITY.

groups like hillel are not out crying for the extermination of palestinians, either.

unlike the college protesters crying out for the erasure of people like us.

Israel is doing it for you.

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Jeff may give me another time out for posting this. But yeah - calling for eliminating Hillel is antisemitic. Yes, it is.

The call is for local chapters to dissociate from Hillel International not to eliminate Hillel on campus, but of course there is no interest in reporting that accurately.

It’s no different than national fraternities dissociating from local chapters or vice versa when one of them is out of step with the university’s policies.

Why should non-Jewish students have any say in whether a Jewish student group is affiliated with a national group?

That’s a pretty dumb argument.

Why should Black students have a say in whether white students want a white supremacist organization on campus?

Hillel is not the equivalent of a white supremacist group. WTF.

You just got a peak into the mind of these idiots. They view all Jewish people as white, so by definition they are white supremacist, since every white person is an evil oppressor.

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Jeff may give me another time out for posting this. But yeah - calling for eliminating Hillel is antisemitic. Yes, it is.

My problem is you can't have it both ways. You can't decry Palestinian protestors who have ties to national orgs, while saying this demand is a problem. A quick Google search shows that support for Israel is an official policy of Hillel and is funded by big donors, making it essentially political* despite its effectiveness for providing a safe space for Jewish students. I've also seen people protest Northwestern giving in to protestors who wanted a Palestinian/Muslim safe place. Make it equal.

I also think this Tweeter loses credibility because there is nothing pro-Hamas in that document.

*"Joel transformed the funding structure of Hillel International to rely more on private funding from large donors, many of whom were strong supporters of Israel. The influence of these large donors grew until support for Israel became an official policy of Hillel International in 2010."
https://www.influencewatch.org/non-profit/hillel-international/#:~:text=Joel%20transformed%20the%20funding%20structure,were%20strong%20supporters%20of%20Israel.

No student has a right to limit what other students can do based on a relationship with another nation’s politics. That’s pure discrimination based on nationality as well as viewpoint discrimination.

The problem is that "israel" is being equated with judiasm, or being Jewish.

I am an American Jew who supports Israel's right to exist and also supports the Palestinians right to exist, and hate Hamas and Likud equally.

Where do these movements leave someone like me?

they leave you in the majority. i'm an american jew who feels the exact same - and so do almost all the other jews i know. we are the MAJORITY.

groups like hillel are not out crying for the extermination of palestinians, either.

unlike the college protesters crying out for the erasure of people like us.

The semantics don't change the facts. If Hillel supports the State of Israel, that means that Hillel supports the direction taken by its leadership. Israel's leadership has demonstrated through its words and actions that it is intent on the extermination of Palestinians. Therefore, Hillel is not only supportive of genocide, but they shouldn't be permitted as a campus organization. Unless they change their charter to reflect support for Jewish students in the U.S. and redact the parts of their mission related to Israel, it's a problem that needs to be addressed. And yes, I feel the exact same way if there are other groups with charters that reflect a mission to aid or support any other foreign state.

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Jeff may give me another time out for posting this. But yeah - calling for eliminating Hillel is antisemitic. Yes, it is.

My problem is you can't have it both ways. You can't decry Palestinian protestors who have ties to national orgs, while saying this demand is a problem. A quick Google search shows that support for Israel is an official policy of Hillel and is funded by big donors, making it essentially political* despite its effectiveness for providing a safe space for Jewish students. I've also seen people protest Northwestern giving in to protestors who wanted a Palestinian/Muslim safe place. Make it equal.

I also think this Tweeter loses credibility because there is nothing pro-Hamas in that document.

*"Joel transformed the funding structure of Hillel International to rely more on private funding from large donors, many of whom were strong supporters of Israel. The influence of these large donors grew until support for Israel became an official policy of Hillel International in 2010."
https://www.influencewatch.org/non-profit/hillel-international/#:~:text=Joel%20transformed%20the%20funding%20structure,were%20strong%20supporters%20of%20Israel.

No student has a right to limit what other students can do based on a relationship with another nation’s politics. That’s pure discrimination based on nationality as well as viewpoint discrimination.

The problem is that "israel" is being equated with judiasm, or being Jewish.

I am an American Jew who supports Israel's right to exist and also supports the Palestinians right to exist, and hate Hamas and Likud equally.

Where do these movements leave someone like me?

they leave you in the majority. i'm an american jew who feels the exact same - and so do almost all the other jews i know. we are the MAJORITY.

groups like hillel are not out crying for the extermination of palestinians, either.

unlike the college protesters crying out for the erasure of people like us.

Israel is doing it for you.

DP. If israel wanted to exterminate Palestine, it would certainly be within their capabilities. They wouldn't even have to actively do anything. Palestine refuses to pay any of its bills, so Israel could simply stop extending credit.

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Jeff may give me another time out for posting this. But yeah - calling for eliminating Hillel is antisemitic. Yes, it is.

My problem is you can't have it both ways. You can't decry Palestinian protestors who have ties to national orgs, while saying this demand is a problem. A quick Google search shows that support for Israel is an official policy of Hillel and is funded by big donors, making it essentially political* despite its effectiveness for providing a safe space for Jewish students. I've also seen people protest Northwestern giving in to protestors who wanted a Palestinian/Muslim safe place. Make it equal.

I also think this Tweeter loses credibility because there is nothing pro-Hamas in that document.

*"Joel transformed the funding structure of Hillel International to rely more on private funding from large donors, many of whom were strong supporters of Israel. The influence of these large donors grew until support for Israel became an official policy of Hillel International in 2010."
https://www.influencewatch.org/non-profit/hillel-international/#:~:text=Joel%20transformed%20the%20funding%20structure,were%20strong%20supporters%20of%20Israel.

so now you all want to erase anyone who supports israel's existence? no one is allowed to speak, or exist, if we believe israel as a country should exist - that's your position? that's the position of these protesters?

wow.

That has nothing to do with Israel's existence. I'm not sure why that's your takeaway. I did say things should be equal, which you glossed over. So, does that mean I also don't think Palestine should exist?

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Jeff may give me another time out for posting this. But yeah - calling for eliminating Hillel is antisemitic. Yes, it is.

My problem is you can't have it both ways. You can't decry Palestinian protestors who have ties to national orgs, while saying this demand is a problem. A quick Google search shows that support for Israel is an official policy of Hillel and is funded by big donors, making it essentially political* despite its effectiveness for providing a safe space for Jewish students. I've also seen people protest Northwestern giving in to protestors who wanted a Palestinian/Muslim safe place. Make it equal.

I also think this Tweeter loses credibility because there is nothing pro-Hamas in that document.

*"Joel transformed the funding structure of Hillel International to rely more on private funding from large donors, many of whom were strong supporters of Israel. The influence of these large donors grew until support for Israel became an official policy of Hillel International in 2010."
https://www.influencewatch.org/non-profit/hillel-international/#:~:text=Joel%20transformed%20the%20funding%20structure,were%20strong%20supporters%20of%20Israel.

No student has a right to limit what other students can do based on a relationship with another nation’s politics. That’s pure discrimination based on nationality as well as viewpoint discrimination.

The problem is that "israel" is being equated with judiasm, or being Jewish.

I am an American Jew who supports Israel's right to exist and also supports the Palestinians right to exist, and hate Hamas and Likud equally.

Where do these movements leave someone like me?

they leave you in the majority. i'm an american jew who feels the exact same - and so do almost all the other jews i know. we are the MAJORITY.

groups like hillel are not out crying for the extermination of palestinians, either.

unlike the college protesters crying out for the erasure of people like us.

The semantics don't change the facts. If Hillel supports the State of Israel, that means that Hillel supports the direction taken by its leadership. Israel's leadership has demonstrated through its words and actions that it is intent on the extermination of Palestinians. Therefore, Hillel is not only supportive of genocide, but they shouldn't be permitted as a campus organization. Unless they change their charter to reflect support for Jewish students in the U.S. and redact the parts of their mission related to Israel, it's a problem that needs to be addressed. And yes, I feel the exact same way if there are other groups with charters that reflect a mission to aid or support any other foreign state.

no, that is not what it means. it is not what it means at all.

when trump was taking babies away from their parents at the border, did you support that? i sure as he** did not. when red states are taking away reproductive rights, do you support that? i do NOT.

there are massive protests IN ISRAEL over this war. do you know that? do you care? do you have any understanding of any of this? or are you just so comfortable in your judgments that why would you bother to learn?

i believe israel has a right to exist. i oppose this current israeli government as strongly as someone who is not an israeli citizen can. those two things are not in contradiction - and represent the views of MOST american jews.

[Anonymous]

I still can’t believe these schools are having their work crews clean up the mess that protesters left. Why aren’t the *protesters* required to clean it up??

https://www.wsj.com/us-news/education/police-move-in-on-ucla-protesters-after-tense-standoff-5403d55c?st=334ob5y4ehcndus&reflink=article_copyURL_share