TJ admissions change from Merit to Essay impact to Asian American Students

[Anonymous]

If only they would return to a process where we could buy the test answers to guarantee our children's admission, it would be much simpler!

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:If only they would return to a process where we could buy the test answers to guarantee our children's admission, it would be much simpler!

buy from where? who is the seller?

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:That was the design. TJ needs the diversity. Inclusive programs will help every student at the school.

Merit Test based Admissions:
Class of 2019, Asian American students received 70.20%
Class of 2020, Asian American students received 71.34%
Class of 2021, Asian American students received 74.90%
Class of 2023, Asian American students received 72.87%
Class of 2024, Asian American students received 73.05%

Admissions changed to Essay based, and increased enrollment of 8th grade algebra1 students:
Class of 2025, Asian American students received 54.36%
Class of 2026, Asian American students received 59.82%
Class of 2027, Asian American students received 61.64%.
Class of 2028, Asian American students received 57.27%

https://www.fcps.edu/news/offers-extended-thomas-jefferson-high-school-science-and-technology-class-2028

But TJ post AP advanced multivariable calculus class is still all Asian. That class is waiting for the arrival of the diversity bus, which appears to be stuck in remedial math.

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:This top 1.5% and school quota criteria unfairly disadvantages hardworking Black and Latino merit students in top middle schools - Carson, Cooper, Longfellow, etc. Even if they have completed Geometry or Algebra 2 (but not in top 1.5%), they have a lesser chance of getting admitted to TJ, than a lower level Algebra 1 math Black or Latino student from, say, Poe Middle or Witman Middle.

TJ admissions appears to be implying to Black and Latino families: don't move to better school neighborhoods and don't count on your student merit effort to get into TJ, but stay back at bottom school, do the lower math there, get admitted to TJ bottom.

They already sent this message to all families with the new system. Some even moved their kids from AAP centers back to base schools to increase their chances with TJ.

Then along those same lines, people will start to realize that being a top student at their base HS is better for college admissions than being a mediocre TJ student.

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:Merit Test based Admissions:
Class of 2019, Asian American students received 70.20%
Class of 2020, Asian American students received 71.34%
Class of 2021, Asian American students received 74.90%
Class of 2023, Asian American students received 72.87%
Class of 2024, Asian American students received 73.05%

Admissions changed to Essay based, and increased enrollment of 8th grade algebra1 students:
Class of 2025, Asian American students received 54.36%
Class of 2026, Asian American students received 59.82%
Class of 2027, Asian American students received 61.64%.
Class of 2028, Asian American students received 57.27%

https://www.fcps.edu/news/offers-extended-thomas-jefferson-high-school-science-and-technology-class-2028

Wow, it may be a slip, but exactly does a school system create equality? Changing the standards for admission may allow some heretofore students in and keep others out, but some students will always perform better than others. There is no such thing as "equality" in performance at TJ or elsewhere.

Offering admission is easy, but demanding that child to study is not.

[Anonymous]

So u


quote=Anonymous]If only they would return to a process where we could buy the test answers to guarantee our children's admission, it would be much simpler!

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:I'm not happy with the current admissions approach, especially as a Black parent of a waitlisted Cooper student. The current TJ entry process seems to favor students from underperforming schools, where the basics of math and science aren't adequately taught, over hardworking, underrepresented students from our Cooper Middle with relatively stronger focus on math and science . We relocated from south of DC to this area specifically for access to better schools with higher academic standards and motivated peers, as we got tired of status quo of school at our previous neighborhood. While my child may not rank in the top one or two percent at Cooper, their grades in AAP math and honors science, along with active involvement in one of the stem team last year, deserve consideration for admission to TJ.

100% of the parents whose kids didnt get in feel this way. But your child was given consideration for admission. The new policies hurts more higher achieving kids.

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:I'm not happy with the current admissions approach, especially as a Black parent of a waitlisted Cooper student. The current TJ entry process seems to favor students from underperforming schools, where the basics of math and science aren't adequately taught, over hardworking, underrepresented students from our Cooper Middle with relatively stronger focus on math and science . We relocated from south of DC to this area specifically for access to better schools with higher academic standards and motivated peers, as we got tired of status quo of school at our previous neighborhood. While my child may not rank in the top one or two percent at Cooper, their grades in AAP math and honors science, along with active involvement in one of the stem team last year, deserve consideration for admission to TJ.

100% of the parents whose kids didnt get in feel this way. But your child was given consideration for admission. The new policies hurts more higher achieving kids.

But I expect my hardworking meritorious black student to be deserving of a TJ offer over a random algebra 1 black student from a poorly managed bottom school. My student worked hard in middle school to complete Geometry, and deserves to explore the TJ opportunity given their demonstrated passion for stem.

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:This top 1.5% and school quota criteria unfairly disadvantages hardworking Black and Latino merit students in top middle schools - Carson, Cooper, Longfellow, etc. Even if they have completed Geometry or Algebra 2 (but not in top 1.5%), they have a lesser chance of getting admitted to TJ, than a lower level Algebra 1 math Black or Latino student from, say, Poe Middle or Witman Middle.

TJ admissions appears to be implying to Black and Latino families: don't move to better school neighborhoods and don't count on your student merit effort to get into TJ, but stay back at bottom school, do the lower math there, get admitted to TJ bottom.

We don’t even know what they mean by “top 1.5%” because they intentionally made the process less informed. Definitely, advanced Math and Science courses and STEM activities don’t count much. Within a MS, who got offered, waitlisted, or rejected is very like a lottery. In the same school, regardless of ethnicity, you see mediocre and layback kids got offered while smart and motivated students were left out.

I’m sure the minions will say “but the essays”. Ok, try to convince me how a normal kid who didn’t care of TJ could suddenly write better essays than top performing /STEM loving kids. Whatever the goals of TJ are, how can a less informed admissions system make better decisions than a well informed system?

If they never intended to disclose how 1.5% is calculated, why mention the number? Is it to make it sound like it is super competitive, when it was known all along lowest math students would need to be selected over higher math kids to get the diversity numbers?

1.5% of a MS class = the initial number of seats that could be filled by one middle school. All qualified students who apply are evaluated. The “best” candidates take those seats. If they don’t have enough qualified applicants, they lose any unused seats. After that round, all students are thrown into the same pool and the “best” candidates out of this large group will fill all of the remaining, including unused, seats.

[Anonymous]

This entire thing is so damn stupid. Since the demand for academic programming like what TJ has is so high that hundreds of willing kids are being shut out, why not open a second school offering the exact same programming? Families should organize around increasing the amount of schools offering TJ level curriculum instead of fighting with each other over an artificially few number of slots.

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:This entire thing is so damn stupid. Since the demand for academic programming like what TJ has is so high that hundreds of willing kids are being shut out, why not open a second school offering the exact same programming? Families should organize around increasing the amount of schools offering TJ level curriculum instead of fighting with each other over an artificially few number of slots.

second is second. If second wants to replace first, second has to work-hard. All worthwhile firsts usually establish a criteria to weed out the unprepared. There is a reason why stem magnet schools exist; to draw the best, and nurture those who are determined to be the best. Once cannot expect to throw dollars and create new stem schools. Because a competitive stem school is not a new building, or fancy cutting edge curriculum, or tough grading, or high calibre teachers. Stem school is all students, what caliber are being admited, and how rigorous of a curriculum are they taking on.

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:That was the design. TJ needs the diversity. Inclusive programs will help every student at the school.

Merit Test based Admissions:
Class of 2019, Asian American students received 70.20%
Class of 2020, Asian American students received 71.34%
Class of 2021, Asian American students received 74.90%
Class of 2023, Asian American students received 72.87%
Class of 2024, Asian American students received 73.05%

Admissions changed to Essay based, and increased enrollment of 8th grade algebra1 students:
Class of 2025, Asian American students received 54.36%
Class of 2026, Asian American students received 59.82%
Class of 2027, Asian American students received 61.64%.
Class of 2028, Asian American students received 57.27%

https://www.fcps.edu/news/offers-extended-thomas-jefferson-high-school-science-and-technology-class-2028

But TJ post AP advanced multivariable calculus class is still all Asian. That class is waiting for the arrival of the diversity bus, which appears to be stuck in remedial math.

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:That was the design. TJ needs the diversity. Inclusive programs will help every student at the school.

Merit Test based Admissions:
Class of 2019, Asian American students received 70.20%
Class of 2020, Asian American students received 71.34%
Class of 2021, Asian American students received 74.90%
Class of 2023, Asian American students received 72.87%
Class of 2024, Asian American students received 73.05%

Admissions changed to Essay based, and increased enrollment of 8th grade algebra1 students:
Class of 2025, Asian American students received 54.36%
Class of 2026, Asian American students received 59.82%
Class of 2027, Asian American students received 61.64%.
Class of 2028, Asian American students received 57.27%

https://www.fcps.edu/news/offers-extended-thomas-jefferson-high-school-science-and-technology-class-2028

But TJ post AP advanced multivariable calculus class is still all Asian. That class is waiting for the arrival of the diversity bus, which appears to be stuck in remedial math.

That’s mainly a senior level class and the first new admission class is just Junior year now. So naturally you wouldn’t see any differences yet.

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:This entire thing is so damn stupid. Since the demand for academic programming like what TJ has is so high that hundreds of willing kids are being shut out, why not open a second school offering the exact same programming? Families should organize around increasing the amount of schools offering TJ level curriculum instead of fighting with each other over an artificially few number of slots.

second is second. If second wants to replace first, second has to work-hard. All worthwhile firsts usually establish a criteria to weed out the unprepared. There is a reason why stem magnet schools exist; to draw the best, and nurture those who are determined to be the best. Once cannot expect to throw dollars and create new stem schools. Because a competitive stem school is not a new building, or fancy cutting edge curriculum, or tough grading, or high calibre teachers. Stem school is all students, what caliber are being admited, and how rigorous of a curriculum are they taking on.

There just aren't enough kids able to do work at this level. I mean sure some were able to fake it before through prep but usually stalled out once admitted.

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:That was the design. TJ needs the diversity. Inclusive programs will help every student at the school.

Merit Test based Admissions:
Class of 2019, Asian American students received 70.20%
Class of 2020, Asian American students received 71.34%
Class of 2021, Asian American students received 74.90%
Class of 2023, Asian American students received 72.87%
Class of 2024, Asian American students received 73.05%

Admissions changed to Essay based, and increased enrollment of 8th grade algebra1 students:
Class of 2025, Asian American students received 54.36%
Class of 2026, Asian American students received 59.82%
Class of 2027, Asian American students received 61.64%.
Class of 2028, Asian American students received 57.27%



https://www.fcps.edu/news/offers-extended-thomas-jefferson-high-school-science-and-technology-class-2028

But TJ post AP advanced multivariable calculus class is still all Asian. That class is waiting for the arrival of the diversity bus, which appears to be stuck in remedial math.

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