Bethesda Row after the Purple Line Opens?

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Ridiculous that this was delayed from 2022 to 2028. Ignorance + Incompetence is a costly problem for Maryland

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Anonymous wrote:I was looking at the Google Map someone made of the Purple Line route. It looks like it will really benefit Univ of Md with three stops and the connection to Metro. I think the Purple Line will raise the profile of the school among prospective applicants (especially those from out of state who would marvel at the novelty of the thing). That’s what happened when the Portland Streetcar famously built the line through the plaza of Portland State University 25 years ago.

Funny how UMD initially fought the Purple Line and tried to block it, like Duke University did with their proposed light rail.

UMD is definitely going to be boosted by the PL. The main immediate benefit will be a more regular connection from the metro station than the current shuttles. But also, UMD is expanding into the Discovery Disctrict, and there's two stops there. Students, faculty, and staff will have free rides in the 5 stops around UMD, so I expect those to be heavily used (that portion will also be the slowest part of the PL due to all the students crossing the tracks, hopefully they will be safe).

And I didn't even mention the increased ease to go to, or commute from, SS and Bethesday. I fully expect the PL will become a critical part of the regional infrastructure a few short years after opening.

Commuting from Bethesda will take one hour on the Purple Line, station to station. That will not be a favored option by anyone who cares about their time.

Bethesda to the middle of UMD campus will be 35 min station to station.

Correction, 35 min to the edge of campus on Adelphi Rd, 39 to the middle of campus.

And how much time to get to Bethesda station from home? From a lot of Bethesda you can do that same trip from your house in 30 minutes.

If your point is that someone will live in an apartment in downtown Bethesda, anyone that can afford that rent values their time and no one that values their time would waste it pointlessly on the Purple Line.

The people who livei n apartments in downtown Bethesda are not the primary targeted demographics for the purple line. The purple line will be primarily for people who live in PG County, Takoma Park, Silver Spring, White Oak who have to travel to work over in the Bethesda area. People that can't afford to live in an apartment in downtown Bethesda, but who have to work in Montgomery County. These are people who have spent hours on busses or on the Metro to go down into the city and back out the other way, or people who have to negotiate with a family member for use of a shared car. Going the other way, it is for people who live in Montgomery county, but are going to school at UMD. This will get a ton of cars off of the overly congested Beltway and East-West Highway and get those roads less crowded for those who will still commute by car.

What are these jobs you speak of? Bethesda has attracted one major employer in the past two decades and that employer is having trouble filling its office. More recently, landlords have torn down office buildings to put up housing for people who commute to DC. The number of commuters at UMCP has dropped by about half in the past two decades and a lot of those still come from north of campus, not east or west.

The Purple Line is solving problems from 20 or 30 years ago. How many years will it take to break even under even the most favorable benefit calculations? The money would have been better spent creating a better link with NoVa and getting Walter Reed and NIH commuters off of 355.

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Anonymous wrote:I was looking at the Google Map someone made of the Purple Line route. It looks like it will really benefit Univ of Md with three stops and the connection to Metro. I think the Purple Line will raise the profile of the school among prospective applicants (especially those from out of state who would marvel at the novelty of the thing). That’s what happened when the Portland Streetcar famously built the line through the plaza of Portland State University 25 years ago.

Funny how UMD initially fought the Purple Line and tried to block it, like Duke University did with their proposed light rail.

UMD is definitely going to be boosted by the PL. The main immediate benefit will be a more regular connection from the metro station than the current shuttles. But also, UMD is expanding into the Discovery Disctrict, and there's two stops there. Students, faculty, and staff will have free rides in the 5 stops around UMD, so I expect those to be heavily used (that portion will also be the slowest part of the PL due to all the students crossing the tracks, hopefully they will be safe).

And I didn't even mention the increased ease to go to, or commute from, SS and Bethesday. I fully expect the PL will become a critical part of the regional infrastructure a few short years after opening.

Commuting from Bethesda will take one hour on the Purple Line, station to station. That will not be a favored option by anyone who cares about their time.

Bethesda to the middle of UMD campus will be 35 min station to station.

Correction, 35 min to the edge of campus on Adelphi Rd, 39 to the middle of campus.

And how much time to get to Bethesda station from home? From a lot of Bethesda you can do that same trip from your house in 30 minutes.

If your point is that someone will live in an apartment in downtown Bethesda, anyone that can afford that rent values their time and no one that values their time would waste it pointlessly on the Purple Line.

The people who livei n apartments in downtown Bethesda are not the primary targeted demographics for the purple line. The purple line will be primarily for people who live in PG County, Takoma Park, Silver Spring, White Oak who have to travel to work over in the Bethesda area. People that can't afford to live in an apartment in downtown Bethesda, but who have to work in Montgomery County. These are people who have spent hours on busses or on the Metro to go down into the city and back out the other way, or people who have to negotiate with a family member for use of a shared car. Going the other way, it is for people who live in Montgomery county, but are going to school at UMD. This will get a ton of cars off of the overly congested Beltway and East-West Highway and get those roads less crowded for those who will still commute by car.

What are these jobs you speak of? Bethesda has attracted one major employer in the past two decades and that employer is having trouble filling its office. More recently, landlords have torn down office buildings to put up housing for people who commute to DC. The number of commuters at UMCP has dropped by about half in the past two decades and a lot of those still come from north of campus, not east or west.

The Purple Line is solving problems from 20 or 30 years ago. How many years will it take to break even under even the most favorable benefit calculations? The money would have been better spent creating a better link with NoVa and getting Walter Reed and NIH commuters off of 355.

To be honest, “breaking even” or “turning a profit” is never the goal of public transit projects or agencies. It’s always a money losing proposition, whatever the project.

I do wonder if the brand new Marriott hq draws a large number of workers every day. Just curious.

While I think a Bethesda - Tysons Coner link has a lot of value, the states and Metro are instead focusing on the Bloop idea which will connect National Harbor Gaylord w Old Town Alexandria via a new blue line.

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A lot of strange comments about how the metro ruined pentagon city mall. The metro was built before pentagon city mall was built. It has had a metro stop since day 1. The metro did not ruin it folks.

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Anonymous wrote:A lot of strange comments about how the metro ruined pentagon city mall. The metro was built before pentagon city mall was built. It has had a metro stop since day 1. The metro did not ruin it folks.

And the Pentagon City mall is not ruined. Warby Parker just opened and Spanish retailer Mango is opening. That Nordstroms since the 80s always had minor issues with customers buying clothes only to return them for a full refund after a night on the town.

For shopping it’s either Pentagon, Tysons or Georgetown & Downtown DC. (and Montgomery Mall / Rose and Pike) There aren’t many other viable options.

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Anonymous wrote:I was looking at the Google Map someone made of the Purple Line route. It looks like it will really benefit Univ of Md with three stops and the connection to Metro. I think the Purple Line will raise the profile of the school among prospective applicants (especially those from out of state who would marvel at the novelty of the thing). That’s what happened when the Portland Streetcar famously built the line through the plaza of Portland State University 25 years ago.

Funny how UMD initially fought the Purple Line and tried to block it, like Duke University did with their proposed light rail.

UMD is definitely going to be boosted by the PL. The main immediate benefit will be a more regular connection from the metro station than the current shuttles. But also, UMD is expanding into the Discovery Disctrict, and there's two stops there. Students, faculty, and staff will have free rides in the 5 stops around UMD, so I expect those to be heavily used (that portion will also be the slowest part of the PL due to all the students crossing the tracks, hopefully they will be safe).

And I didn't even mention the increased ease to go to, or commute from, SS and Bethesday. I fully expect the PL will become a critical part of the regional infrastructure a few short years after opening.

Commuting from Bethesda will take one hour on the Purple Line, station to station. That will not be a favored option by anyone who cares about their time.

Bethesda to the middle of UMD campus will be 35 min station to station.

Correction, 35 min to the edge of campus on Adelphi Rd, 39 to the middle of campus.

And how much time to get to Bethesda station from home? From a lot of Bethesda you can do that same trip from your house in 30 minutes.

If your point is that someone will live in an apartment in downtown Bethesda, anyone that can afford that rent values their time and no one that values their time would waste it pointlessly on the Purple Line.

The people who livei n apartments in downtown Bethesda are not the primary targeted demographics for the purple line. The purple line will be primarily for people who live in PG County, Takoma Park, Silver Spring, White Oak who have to travel to work over in the Bethesda area. People that can't afford to live in an apartment in downtown Bethesda, but who have to work in Montgomery County. These are people who have spent hours on busses or on the Metro to go down into the city and back out the other way, or people who have to negotiate with a family member for use of a shared car. Going the other way, it is for people who live in Montgomery county, but are going to school at UMD. This will get a ton of cars off of the overly congested Beltway and East-West Highway and get those roads less crowded for those who will still commute by car.

What are these jobs you speak of? Bethesda has attracted one major employer in the past two decades and that employer is having trouble filling its office. More recently, landlords have torn down office buildings to put up housing for people who commute to DC. The number of commuters at UMCP has dropped by about half in the past two decades and a lot of those still come from north of campus, not east or west.

The Purple Line is solving problems from 20 or 30 years ago. How many years will it take to break even under even the most favorable benefit calculations? The money would have been better spent creating a better link with NoVa and getting Walter Reed and NIH commuters off of 355.

What are these jobs? The minimum wage workers at Giant, Safetway and Trader's Joes. The barristas who make your lattes at Starbucks. The janitorial staff for the various businesses and buildings in Bethesda. People who work at the desk or housekeeping at the Hyatt Regency and the Hilton. Those who work at the Dunkin Donuts and the clerks at the gas stations and convenience stores. Nannies for local families. There are thousands of low income staff at many of the businesses in the Bethesda and Chevy Chase area who can't really afford to live in the Bethesda/Chevy Chase area. A significant number live in PG county or eastern Montgomery County and may commute via the green line down and the red line back out. Or take busses. But WMATA has been cutting many bus lines over recent years. My spouse now has full-time telework because my spouse cannot drive to work and the bus that spouse used to take to work was canceled by WMATA.

I have this feeling that you live in Montgomery County and are a NIMBY. I live in PG County and the Purple Line is very popular in PG County as one more way to make jobs in Montgomery County more accessible. I know a number of people who work in lower wage positions in Silver Spring or Bethesda areas who can't wait for the line to open up to solve some of their commuting issues. These people cannot afford to live in Bethesda and right now and looking forward to having a new mode of public transportation that goes around the beltway rather than as a spoke into town.

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Crime issues aside, the Purple Line may help encourage the development of 4 to 8 plex condos and apartments all along the route (at the least the Montgomery County portion, since the Prince George’s County portion appears to run along parkland and busy highways). Any new development should help alleviate the housing crisis to a small degree.

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Anonymous wrote:Crime issues aside, the Purple Line may help encourage the development of 4 to 8 plex condos and apartments all along the route (at the least the Montgomery County portion, since the Prince George’s County portion appears to run along parkland and busy highways). Any new development should help alleviate the housing crisis to a small degree.

Wow, more crime AND upzoning?

Really threatening us with a good time…maybe they should make it free for homeless people just to round things out.

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Anonymous wrote:I was looking at the Google Map someone made of the Purple Line route. It looks like it will really benefit Univ of Md with three stops and the connection to Metro. I think the Purple Line will raise the profile of the school among prospective applicants (especially those from out of state who would marvel at the novelty of the thing). That’s what happened when the Portland Streetcar famously built the line through the plaza of Portland State University 25 years ago.

Funny how UMD initially fought the Purple Line and tried to block it, like Duke University did with their proposed light rail.

UMD is definitely going to be boosted by the PL. The main immediate benefit will be a more regular connection from the metro station than the current shuttles. But also, UMD is expanding into the Discovery Disctrict, and there's two stops there. Students, faculty, and staff will have free rides in the 5 stops around UMD, so I expect those to be heavily used (that portion will also be the slowest part of the PL due to all the students crossing the tracks, hopefully they will be safe).

And I didn't even mention the increased ease to go to, or commute from, SS and Bethesday. I fully expect the PL will become a critical part of the regional infrastructure a few short years after opening.

Commuting from Bethesda will take one hour on the Purple Line, station to station. That will not be a favored option by anyone who cares about their time.

Bethesda to the middle of UMD campus will be 35 min station to station.

Correction, 35 min to the edge of campus on Adelphi Rd, 39 to the middle of campus.

And how much time to get to Bethesda station from home? From a lot of Bethesda you can do that same trip from your house in 30 minutes.

If your point is that someone will live in an apartment in downtown Bethesda, anyone that can afford that rent values their time and no one that values their time would waste it pointlessly on the Purple Line.

The people who livei n apartments in downtown Bethesda are not the primary targeted demographics for the purple line. The purple line will be primarily for people who live in PG County, Takoma Park, Silver Spring, White Oak who have to travel to work over in the Bethesda area. People that can't afford to live in an apartment in downtown Bethesda, but who have to work in Montgomery County. These are people who have spent hours on busses or on the Metro to go down into the city and back out the other way, or people who have to negotiate with a family member for use of a shared car. Going the other way, it is for people who live in Montgomery county, but are going to school at UMD. This will get a ton of cars off of the overly congested Beltway and East-West Highway and get those roads less crowded for those who will still commute by car.

What are these jobs you speak of? Bethesda has attracted one major employer in the past two decades and that employer is having trouble filling its office. More recently, landlords have torn down office buildings to put up housing for people who commute to DC. The number of commuters at UMCP has dropped by about half in the past two decades and a lot of those still come from north of campus, not east or west.

The Purple Line is solving problems from 20 or 30 years ago. How many years will it take to break even under even the most favorable benefit calculations? The money would have been better spent creating a better link with NoVa and getting Walter Reed and NIH commuters off of 355.

To be honest, “breaking even” or “turning a profit” is never the goal of public transit projects or agencies. It’s always a money losing proposition, whatever the project.

I do wonder if the brand new Marriott hq draws a large number of workers every day. Just curious.

While I think a Bethesda - Tysons Coner link has a lot of value, the states and Metro are instead focusing on the Bloop idea which will connect National Harbor Gaylord w Old Town Alexandria via a new blue line.

The proposition that public investments shouldn’t show a positive return is ludicrous. No one expects a public transit project to generate a profit on fares vs. expenses but there are more ways to measure return — positive environmental impact, time savings for residents, etc. — that can be measured in dollars and cents. So even given an expansive definition of return, how long before the Purple Line is in the black? Or are you just conceding that it will never generate a net public benefit?

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Anonymous wrote:I was looking at the Google Map someone made of the Purple Line route. It looks like it will really benefit Univ of Md with three stops and the connection to Metro. I think the Purple Line will raise the profile of the school among prospective applicants (especially those from out of state who would marvel at the novelty of the thing). That’s what happened when the Portland Streetcar famously built the line through the plaza of Portland State University 25 years ago.

Funny how UMD initially fought the Purple Line and tried to block it, like Duke University did with their proposed light rail.

UMD is definitely going to be boosted by the PL. The main immediate benefit will be a more regular connection from the metro station than the current shuttles. But also, UMD is expanding into the Discovery Disctrict, and there's two stops there. Students, faculty, and staff will have free rides in the 5 stops around UMD, so I expect those to be heavily used (that portion will also be the slowest part of the PL due to all the students crossing the tracks, hopefully they will be safe).

And I didn't even mention the increased ease to go to, or commute from, SS and Bethesday. I fully expect the PL will become a critical part of the regional infrastructure a few short years after opening.

Commuting from Bethesda will take one hour on the Purple Line, station to station. That will not be a favored option by anyone who cares about their time.

Bethesda to the middle of UMD campus will be 35 min station to station.

Correction, 35 min to the edge of campus on Adelphi Rd, 39 to the middle of campus.

And how much time to get to Bethesda station from home? From a lot of Bethesda you can do that same trip from your house in 30 minutes.

If your point is that someone will live in an apartment in downtown Bethesda, anyone that can afford that rent values their time and no one that values their time would waste it pointlessly on the Purple Line.

The people who livei n apartments in downtown Bethesda are not the primary targeted demographics for the purple line. The purple line will be primarily for people who live in PG County, Takoma Park, Silver Spring, White Oak who have to travel to work over in the Bethesda area. People that can't afford to live in an apartment in downtown Bethesda, but who have to work in Montgomery County. These are people who have spent hours on busses or on the Metro to go down into the city and back out the other way, or people who have to negotiate with a family member for use of a shared car. Going the other way, it is for people who live in Montgomery county, but are going to school at UMD. This will get a ton of cars off of the overly congested Beltway and East-West Highway and get those roads less crowded for those who will still commute by car.

What are these jobs you speak of? Bethesda has attracted one major employer in the past two decades and that employer is having trouble filling its office. More recently, landlords have torn down office buildings to put up housing for people who commute to DC. The number of commuters at UMCP has dropped by about half in the past two decades and a lot of those still come from north of campus, not east or west.

The Purple Line is solving problems from 20 or 30 years ago. How many years will it take to break even under even the most favorable benefit calculations? The money would have been better spent creating a better link with NoVa and getting Walter Reed and NIH commuters off of 355.

What are these jobs? The minimum wage workers at Giant, Safetway and Trader's Joes. The barristas who make your lattes at Starbucks. The janitorial staff for the various businesses and buildings in Bethesda. People who work at the desk or housekeeping at the Hyatt Regency and the Hilton. Those who work at the Dunkin Donuts and the clerks at the gas stations and convenience stores. Nannies for local families. There are thousands of low income staff at many of the businesses in the Bethesda and Chevy Chase area who can't really afford to live in the Bethesda/Chevy Chase area. A significant number live in PG county or eastern Montgomery County and may commute via the green line down and the red line back out. Or take busses. But WMATA has been cutting many bus lines over recent years. My spouse now has full-time telework because my spouse cannot drive to work and the bus that spouse used to take to work was canceled by WMATA.

I have this feeling that you live in Montgomery County and are a NIMBY. I live in PG County and the Purple Line is very popular in PG County as one more way to make jobs in Montgomery County more accessible. I know a number of people who work in lower wage positions in Silver Spring or Bethesda areas who can't wait for the line to open up to solve some of their commuting issues. These people cannot afford to live in Bethesda and right now and looking forward to having a new mode of public transportation that goes around the beltway rather than as a spoke into town.

Do you think those jobs are going to generate 74,000 trips a day? That was the usage assumption when the Purple Line was approved.

And why do you focus on low wage workers? I’ll bet you’re a NIMBY who doesn’t want to live near poor people and you just expect them to commute from other places to make your latte and clean your bathrooms.

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Anonymous wrote:I was looking at the Google Map someone made of the Purple Line route. It looks like it will really benefit Univ of Md with three stops and the connection to Metro. I think the Purple Line will raise the profile of the school among prospective applicants (especially those from out of state who would marvel at the novelty of the thing). That’s what happened when the Portland Streetcar famously built the line through the plaza of Portland State University 25 years ago.

Funny how UMD initially fought the Purple Line and tried to block it, like Duke University did with their proposed light rail.

UMD is definitely going to be boosted by the PL. The main immediate benefit will be a more regular connection from the metro station than the current shuttles. But also, UMD is expanding into the Discovery Disctrict, and there's two stops there. Students, faculty, and staff will have free rides in the 5 stops around UMD, so I expect those to be heavily used (that portion will also be the slowest part of the PL due to all the students crossing the tracks, hopefully they will be safe).

And I didn't even mention the increased ease to go to, or commute from, SS and Bethesday. I fully expect the PL will become a critical part of the regional infrastructure a few short years after opening.

Commuting from Bethesda will take one hour on the Purple Line, station to station. That will not be a favored option by anyone who cares about their time.

Bethesda to the middle of UMD campus will be 35 min station to station.

Correction, 35 min to the edge of campus on Adelphi Rd, 39 to the middle of campus.

And how much time to get to Bethesda station from home? From a lot of Bethesda you can do that same trip from your house in 30 minutes.

If your point is that someone will live in an apartment in downtown Bethesda, anyone that can afford that rent values their time and no one that values their time would waste it pointlessly on the Purple Line.

The people who livei n apartments in downtown Bethesda are not the primary targeted demographics for the purple line. The purple line will be primarily for people who live in PG County, Takoma Park, Silver Spring, White Oak who have to travel to work over in the Bethesda area. People that can't afford to live in an apartment in downtown Bethesda, but who have to work in Montgomery County. These are people who have spent hours on busses or on the Metro to go down into the city and back out the other way, or people who have to negotiate with a family member for use of a shared car. Going the other way, it is for people who live in Montgomery county, but are going to school at UMD. This will get a ton of cars off of the overly congested Beltway and East-West Highway and get those roads less crowded for those who will still commute by car.

What are these jobs you speak of? Bethesda has attracted one major employer in the past two decades and that employer is having trouble filling its office. More recently, landlords have torn down office buildings to put up housing for people who commute to DC. The number of commuters at UMCP has dropped by about half in the past two decades and a lot of those still come from north of campus, not east or west.

The Purple Line is solving problems from 20 or 30 years ago. How many years will it take to break even under even the most favorable benefit calculations? The money would have been better spent creating a better link with NoVa and getting Walter Reed and NIH commuters off of 355.

To be honest, “breaking even” or “turning a profit” is never the goal of public transit projects or agencies. It’s always a money losing proposition, whatever the project.

I do wonder if the brand new Marriott hq draws a large number of workers every day. Just curious.

While I think a Bethesda - Tysons Coner link has a lot of value, the states and Metro are instead focusing on the Bloop idea which will connect National Harbor Gaylord w Old Town Alexandria via a new blue line.

The proposition that public investments shouldn’t show a positive return is ludicrous. No one expects a public transit project to generate a profit on fares vs. expenses but there are more ways to measure return — positive environmental impact, time savings for residents, etc. — that can be measured in dollars and cents. So even given an expansive definition of return, how long before the Purple Line is in the black? Or are you just conceding that it will never generate a net public benefit?

If ridership is reasonably strong, and if it brings economic growth, then there’s a net positive return on the Purple Line investment. DC’s Metro has been expensive to build and maintain, but the benefits over the past half century outweigh the costs by far.

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Anonymous wrote:I was looking at the Google Map someone made of the Purple Line route. It looks like it will really benefit Univ of Md with three stops and the connection to Metro. I think the Purple Line will raise the profile of the school among prospective applicants (especially those from out of state who would marvel at the novelty of the thing). That’s what happened when the Portland Streetcar famously built the line through the plaza of Portland State University 25 years ago.

Funny how UMD initially fought the Purple Line and tried to block it, like Duke University did with their proposed light rail.

UMD is definitely going to be boosted by the PL. The main immediate benefit will be a more regular connection from the metro station than the current shuttles. But also, UMD is expanding into the Discovery Disctrict, and there's two stops there. Students, faculty, and staff will have free rides in the 5 stops around UMD, so I expect those to be heavily used (that portion will also be the slowest part of the PL due to all the students crossing the tracks, hopefully they will be safe).

And I didn't even mention the increased ease to go to, or commute from, SS and Bethesday. I fully expect the PL will become a critical part of the regional infrastructure a few short years after opening.

Commuting from Bethesda will take one hour on the Purple Line, station to station. That will not be a favored option by anyone who cares about their time.

Bethesda to the middle of UMD campus will be 35 min station to station.

Correction, 35 min to the edge of campus on Adelphi Rd, 39 to the middle of campus.

And how much time to get to Bethesda station from home? From a lot of Bethesda you can do that same trip from your house in 30 minutes.

If your point is that someone will live in an apartment in downtown Bethesda, anyone that can afford that rent values their time and no one that values their time would waste it pointlessly on the Purple Line.

The people who livei n apartments in downtown Bethesda are not the primary targeted demographics for the purple line. The purple line will be primarily for people who live in PG County, Takoma Park, Silver Spring, White Oak who have to travel to work over in the Bethesda area. People that can't afford to live in an apartment in downtown Bethesda, but who have to work in Montgomery County. These are people who have spent hours on busses or on the Metro to go down into the city and back out the other way, or people who have to negotiate with a family member for use of a shared car. Going the other way, it is for people who live in Montgomery county, but are going to school at UMD. This will get a ton of cars off of the overly congested Beltway and East-West Highway and get those roads less crowded for those who will still commute by car.

What are these jobs you speak of? Bethesda has attracted one major employer in the past two decades and that employer is having trouble filling its office. More recently, landlords have torn down office buildings to put up housing for people who commute to DC. The number of commuters at UMCP has dropped by about half in the past two decades and a lot of those still come from north of campus, not east or west.

The Purple Line is solving problems from 20 or 30 years ago. How many years will it take to break even under even the most favorable benefit calculations? The money would have been better spent creating a better link with NoVa and getting Walter Reed and NIH commuters off of 355.

To be honest, “breaking even” or “turning a profit” is never the goal of public transit projects or agencies. It’s always a money losing proposition, whatever the project.

I do wonder if the brand new Marriott hq draws a large number of workers every day. Just curious.

While I think a Bethesda - Tysons Coner link has a lot of value, the states and Metro are instead focusing on the Bloop idea which will connect National Harbor Gaylord w Old Town Alexandria via a new blue line.

The proposition that public investments shouldn’t show a positive return is ludicrous. No one expects a public transit project to generate a profit on fares vs. expenses but there are more ways to measure return — positive environmental impact, time savings for residents, etc. — that can be measured in dollars and cents. So even given an expansive definition of return, how long before the Purple Line is in the black? Or are you just conceding that it will never generate a net public benefit?

If ridership is reasonably strong, and if it brings economic growth, then there’s a net positive return on the Purple Line investment. DC’s Metro has been expensive to build and maintain, but the benefits over the past half century outweigh the costs by far.

The DC metro has been wildly successful with a large net public benefit. But it also connected existing job centers (much larger than Bethesda, Silver Spring, or College Park) with workers who lived in suburbs. The Purple Line is connecting small urban places that are becoming increasingly residential and the MoCo government has been passing laws and taxes that aren’t good for major employers. It’s hard to see the Purple Line hitting its targets or driving growth because the enabling environment is poor. It’s a lot big ifs ifs ifs.

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Anonymous wrote:I was looking at the Google Map someone made of the Purple Line route. It looks like it will really benefit Univ of Md with three stops and the connection to Metro. I think the Purple Line will raise the profile of the school among prospective applicants (especially those from out of state who would marvel at the novelty of the thing). That’s what happened when the Portland Streetcar famously built the line through the plaza of Portland State University 25 years ago.

Funny how UMD initially fought the Purple Line and tried to block it, like Duke University did with their proposed light rail.

UMD is definitely going to be boosted by the PL. The main immediate benefit will be a more regular connection from the metro station than the current shuttles. But also, UMD is expanding into the Discovery Disctrict, and there's two stops there. Students, faculty, and staff will have free rides in the 5 stops around UMD, so I expect those to be heavily used (that portion will also be the slowest part of the PL due to all the students crossing the tracks, hopefully they will be safe).

And I didn't even mention the increased ease to go to, or commute from, SS and Bethesday. I fully expect the PL will become a critical part of the regional infrastructure a few short years after opening.

Commuting from Bethesda will take one hour on the Purple Line, station to station. That will not be a favored option by anyone who cares about their time.

Bethesda to the middle of UMD campus will be 35 min station to station.

Correction, 35 min to the edge of campus on Adelphi Rd, 39 to the middle of campus.

And how much time to get to Bethesda station from home? From a lot of Bethesda you can do that same trip from your house in 30 minutes.

If your point is that someone will live in an apartment in downtown Bethesda, anyone that can afford that rent values their time and no one that values their time would waste it pointlessly on the Purple Line.

The people who livei n apartments in downtown Bethesda are not the primary targeted demographics for the purple line. The purple line will be primarily for people who live in PG County, Takoma Park, Silver Spring, White Oak who have to travel to work over in the Bethesda area. People that can't afford to live in an apartment in downtown Bethesda, but who have to work in Montgomery County. These are people who have spent hours on busses or on the Metro to go down into the city and back out the other way, or people who have to negotiate with a family member for use of a shared car. Going the other way, it is for people who live in Montgomery county, but are going to school at UMD. This will get a ton of cars off of the overly congested Beltway and East-West Highway and get those roads less crowded for those who will still commute by car.

What are these jobs you speak of? Bethesda has attracted one major employer in the past two decades and that employer is having trouble filling its office. More recently, landlords have torn down office buildings to put up housing for people who commute to DC. The number of commuters at UMCP has dropped by about half in the past two decades and a lot of those still come from north of campus, not east or west.

The Purple Line is solving problems from 20 or 30 years ago. How many years will it take to break even under even the most favorable benefit calculations? The money would have been better spent creating a better link with NoVa and getting Walter Reed and NIH commuters off of 355.

Don't worry, PP, people still need to go east or west in the Bethesda-to-New-Carrollton corridor.

Though I agree with you that it would have been great if the Purple Line had come into service 20 or 30 years ago, and we would now be working on the transit projects that came after the transit projects that came after the Purple Line.

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Anonymous wrote:I was looking at the Google Map someone made of the Purple Line route. It looks like it will really benefit Univ of Md with three stops and the connection to Metro. I think the Purple Line will raise the profile of the school among prospective applicants (especially those from out of state who would marvel at the novelty of the thing). That’s what happened when the Portland Streetcar famously built the line through the plaza of Portland State University 25 years ago.

Funny how UMD initially fought the Purple Line and tried to block it, like Duke University did with their proposed light rail.

UMD is definitely going to be boosted by the PL. The main immediate benefit will be a more regular connection from the metro station than the current shuttles. But also, UMD is expanding into the Discovery Disctrict, and there's two stops there. Students, faculty, and staff will have free rides in the 5 stops around UMD, so I expect those to be heavily used (that portion will also be the slowest part of the PL due to all the students crossing the tracks, hopefully they will be safe).

And I didn't even mention the increased ease to go to, or commute from, SS and Bethesday. I fully expect the PL will become a critical part of the regional infrastructure a few short years after opening.

Commuting from Bethesda will take one hour on the Purple Line, station to station. That will not be a favored option by anyone who cares about their time.

Bethesda to the middle of UMD campus will be 35 min station to station.

Correction, 35 min to the edge of campus on Adelphi Rd, 39 to the middle of campus.

And how much time to get to Bethesda station from home? From a lot of Bethesda you can do that same trip from your house in 30 minutes.

If your point is that someone will live in an apartment in downtown Bethesda, anyone that can afford that rent values their time and no one that values their time would waste it pointlessly on the Purple Line.

The people who livei n apartments in downtown Bethesda are not the primary targeted demographics for the purple line. The purple line will be primarily for people who live in PG County, Takoma Park, Silver Spring, White Oak who have to travel to work over in the Bethesda area. People that can't afford to live in an apartment in downtown Bethesda, but who have to work in Montgomery County. These are people who have spent hours on busses or on the Metro to go down into the city and back out the other way, or people who have to negotiate with a family member for use of a shared car. Going the other way, it is for people who live in Montgomery county, but are going to school at UMD. This will get a ton of cars off of the overly congested Beltway and East-West Highway and get those roads less crowded for those who will still commute by car.

What are these jobs you speak of? Bethesda has attracted one major employer in the past two decades and that employer is having trouble filling its office. More recently, landlords have torn down office buildings to put up housing for people who commute to DC. The number of commuters at UMCP has dropped by about half in the past two decades and a lot of those still come from north of campus, not east or west.

The Purple Line is solving problems from 20 or 30 years ago. How many years will it take to break even under even the most favorable benefit calculations? The money would have been better spent creating a better link with NoVa and getting Walter Reed and NIH commuters off of 355.

What are these jobs? The minimum wage workers at Giant, Safetway and Trader's Joes. The barristas who make your lattes at Starbucks. The janitorial staff for the various businesses and buildings in Bethesda. People who work at the desk or housekeeping at the Hyatt Regency and the Hilton. Those who work at the Dunkin Donuts and the clerks at the gas stations and convenience stores. Nannies for local families. There are thousands of low income staff at many of the businesses in the Bethesda and Chevy Chase area who can't really afford to live in the Bethesda/Chevy Chase area. A significant number live in PG county or eastern Montgomery County and may commute via the green line down and the red line back out. Or take busses. But WMATA has been cutting many bus lines over recent years. My spouse now has full-time telework because my spouse cannot drive to work and the bus that spouse used to take to work was canceled by WMATA.

I have this feeling that you live in Montgomery County and are a NIMBY. I live in PG County and the Purple Line is very popular in PG County as one more way to make jobs in Montgomery County more accessible. I know a number of people who work in lower wage positions in Silver Spring or Bethesda areas who can't wait for the line to open up to solve some of their commuting issues. These people cannot afford to live in Bethesda and right now and looking forward to having a new mode of public transportation that goes around the beltway rather than as a spoke into town.

Do you think those jobs are going to generate 74,000 trips a day? That was the usage assumption when the Purple Line was approved.

And why do you focus on low wage workers? I’ll bet you’re a NIMBY who doesn’t want to live near poor people and you just expect them to commute from other places to make your latte and clean your bathrooms.

Think about all the trips you make that aren't (1) the trip from home to work or (2) the trip from work to home. Even after covid. If you want to know what's outdated, it's the assumption that the only trips that count are the work commute trips.

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Anonymous wrote:I was looking at the Google Map someone made of the Purple Line route. It looks like it will really benefit Univ of Md with three stops and the connection to Metro. I think the Purple Line will raise the profile of the school among prospective applicants (especially those from out of state who would marvel at the novelty of the thing). That’s what happened when the Portland Streetcar famously built the line through the plaza of Portland State University 25 years ago.

Funny how UMD initially fought the Purple Line and tried to block it, like Duke University did with their proposed light rail.

UMD is definitely going to be boosted by the PL. The main immediate benefit will be a more regular connection from the metro station than the current shuttles. But also, UMD is expanding into the Discovery Disctrict, and there's two stops there. Students, faculty, and staff will have free rides in the 5 stops around UMD, so I expect those to be heavily used (that portion will also be the slowest part of the PL due to all the students crossing the tracks, hopefully they will be safe).

And I didn't even mention the increased ease to go to, or commute from, SS and Bethesday. I fully expect the PL will become a critical part of the regional infrastructure a few short years after opening.

Commuting from Bethesda will take one hour on the Purple Line, station to station. That will not be a favored option by anyone who cares about their time.

Bethesda to the middle of UMD campus will be 35 min station to station.

Correction, 35 min to the edge of campus on Adelphi Rd, 39 to the middle of campus.

And how much time to get to Bethesda station from home? From a lot of Bethesda you can do that same trip from your house in 30 minutes.

If your point is that someone will live in an apartment in downtown Bethesda, anyone that can afford that rent values their time and no one that values their time would waste it pointlessly on the Purple Line.

The people who livei n apartments in downtown Bethesda are not the primary targeted demographics for the purple line. The purple line will be primarily for people who live in PG County, Takoma Park, Silver Spring, White Oak who have to travel to work over in the Bethesda area. People that can't afford to live in an apartment in downtown Bethesda, but who have to work in Montgomery County. These are people who have spent hours on busses or on the Metro to go down into the city and back out the other way, or people who have to negotiate with a family member for use of a shared car. Going the other way, it is for people who live in Montgomery county, but are going to school at UMD. This will get a ton of cars off of the overly congested Beltway and East-West Highway and get those roads less crowded for those who will still commute by car.

What are these jobs you speak of? Bethesda has attracted one major employer in the past two decades and that employer is having trouble filling its office. More recently, landlords have torn down office buildings to put up housing for people who commute to DC. The number of commuters at UMCP has dropped by about half in the past two decades and a lot of those still come from north of campus, not east or west.

The Purple Line is solving problems from 20 or 30 years ago. How many years will it take to break even under even the most favorable benefit calculations? The money would have been better spent creating a better link with NoVa and getting Walter Reed and NIH commuters off of 355.

What are these jobs? The minimum wage workers at Giant, Safetway and Trader's Joes. The barristas who make your lattes at Starbucks. The janitorial staff for the various businesses and buildings in Bethesda. People who work at the desk or housekeeping at the Hyatt Regency and the Hilton. Those who work at the Dunkin Donuts and the clerks at the gas stations and convenience stores. Nannies for local families. There are thousands of low income staff at many of the businesses in the Bethesda and Chevy Chase area who can't really afford to live in the Bethesda/Chevy Chase area. A significant number live in PG county or eastern Montgomery County and may commute via the green line down and the red line back out. Or take busses. But WMATA has been cutting many bus lines over recent years. My spouse now has full-time telework because my spouse cannot drive to work and the bus that spouse used to take to work was canceled by WMATA.

I have this feeling that you live in Montgomery County and are a NIMBY. I live in PG County and the Purple Line is very popular in PG County as one more way to make jobs in Montgomery County more accessible. I know a number of people who work in lower wage positions in Silver Spring or Bethesda areas who can't wait for the line to open up to solve some of their commuting issues. These people cannot afford to live in Bethesda and right now and looking forward to having a new mode of public transportation that goes around the beltway rather than as a spoke into town.

Do you think those jobs are going to generate 74,000 trips a day? That was the usage assumption when the Purple Line was approved.

And why do you focus on low wage workers? I’ll bet you’re a NIMBY who doesn’t want to live near poor people and you just expect them to commute from other places to make your latte and clean your bathrooms.

Think about all the trips you make that aren't (1) the trip from home to work or (2) the trip from work to home. Even after covid. If you want to know what's outdated, it's the assumption that the only trips that count are the work commute trips.

The Purple Line was never designed nor intended to replace non-work trips. And no one, except for some small niche of people that live in downtown Silver Spring without a car and want to eat/shop in Bethesda (and criminals), would use it for non-work purposes. You are obviously someone that does not have children. People that have children have two types of non-work trips, one is going shopping and the other is driving their kids around to their various activities. The Purple Line will replace neither for anyone.