TJ admissions change from Merit to Essay impact to Asian American Students

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Anonymous wrote:So 75ish less Asian students are getting in each year now? How did the rest of the population feel about having such a large majority before? I remember reading that they were very uncomfortable. Maybe they should have changed the mission of TJ to diversity it better rather than the application.

Rest of the the population celebrated the Asian majority at TJ since they reinforced TJ's standing. It is the equity politicians that went about tinkering with TJ. The 75 Asian students that are denied their TJ spots, can easily handle the base school rigor. The same cant be said of the 75 replacement Algebra 1 students that are suffering at TJ with remedial math and playing constant catch-up.

The average number of Asian students per admitted class for the 10 years prior to the change was 330. The average since the change was 321.

So, on average, there are 9 fewer Asian kids per class after the change.

By dropping important information from the test and teachers’ recommendation, that 321 is way weaker than that 330 in the old system

[Anonymous]

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Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:So 75ish less Asian students are getting in each year now? How did the rest of the population feel about having such a large majority before? I remember reading that they were very uncomfortable. Maybe they should have changed the mission of TJ to diversity it better rather than the application.

Rest of the the population celebrated the Asian majority at TJ since they reinforced TJ's standing. It is the equity politicians that went about tinkering with TJ. The 75 Asian students that are denied their TJ spots, can easily handle the base school rigor. The same cant be said of the 75 replacement Algebra 1 students that are suffering at TJ with remedial math and playing constant catch-up.

The average number of Asian students per admitted class for the 10 years prior to the change was 330. The average since the change was 321.

So, on average, there are 9 fewer Asian kids per class after the change.

By dropping important information from the test and teachers’ recommendation, that 321 is way weaker than that 330 in the old system

It's been proven that teacher recs are too often racially biased so they had no choice but to remove them.

The test also was rigged since too many students with means were simply buying the answers from various prep centers.

The old system was toxic and broken.

[Anonymous]

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Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:So 75ish less Asian students are getting in each year now? How did the rest of the population feel about having such a large majority before? I remember reading that they were very uncomfortable. Maybe they should have changed the mission of TJ to diversity it better rather than the application.

Rest of the the population celebrated the Asian majority at TJ since they reinforced TJ's standing. It is the equity politicians that went about tinkering with TJ. The 75 Asian students that are denied their TJ spots, can easily handle the base school rigor. The same cant be said of the 75 replacement Algebra 1 students that are suffering at TJ with remedial math and playing constant catch-up.

The average number of Asian students per admitted class for the 10 years prior to the change was 330. The average since the change was 321.

So, on average, there are 9 fewer Asian kids per class after the change.

By dropping important information from the test and teachers’ recommendation, that 321 is way weaker than that 330 in the old system

It's been proven that teacher recs are too often racially biased so they had no choice but to remove them.

The test also was rigged since too many students with means were simply buying the answers from various prep centers.

The old system was toxic and broken.

If the bolded is true, then it's odd that college admissions still relies so heavily on teacher recommendations. The same is true for every elite summer program or grad program. Heck, TJ still heavily relies on teacher recommendations for its own froshmore admissions. They're even the primary factor in FCPS for AAP eligibility.

The reality, though, is that FCPS removed teacher recommendations because they weren't going to give them the racial demographics that they desired.

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:So 75ish less Asian students are getting in each year now? How did the rest of the population feel about having such a large majority before? I remember reading that they were very uncomfortable. Maybe they should have changed the mission of TJ to diversity it better rather than the application.

Rest of the the population celebrated the Asian majority at TJ since they reinforced TJ's standing. It is the equity politicians that went about tinkering with TJ. The 75 Asian students that are denied their TJ spots, can easily handle the base school rigor. The same cant be said of the 75 replacement Algebra 1 students that are suffering at TJ with remedial math and playing constant catch-up.

The average number of Asian students per admitted class for the 10 years prior to the change was 330. The average since the change was 321.

So, on average, there are 9 fewer Asian kids per class after the change.

By dropping important information from the test and teachers’ recommendation, that 321 is way weaker than that 330 in the old system

It's been proven that teacher recs are too often racially biased so they had no choice but to remove them.

The test also was rigged since too many students with means were simply buying the answers from various prep centers.

The old system was toxic and broken.

what do you mean simply buying the answers? From where?

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:Merit Test based Admissions:
Class of 2019, Asian American students received 70.20%
Class of 2020, Asian American students received 71.34%
Class of 2021, Asian American students received 74.90%
Class of 2023, Asian American students received 72.87%
Class of 2024, Asian American students received 73.05%

Admissions changed to Essay based, and increased enrollment of 8th grade algebra1 students:
Class of 2025, Asian American students received 54.36%
Class of 2026, Asian American students received 59.82%
Class of 2027, Asian American students received 61.64%.
Class of 2028, Asian American students received 57.27%

https://www.fcps.edu/news/offers-extended-thomas-jefferson-high-school-science-and-technology-class-2028

There is a history of legitimizing discrimination against Asian Americans. What is laughable is there are insecure asians who support discrimination against their own race.
https://exhibits.stanford.edu/riseup/feature/timeline-of-systemic-racism-against-aapi

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:Merit Test based Admissions:
Class of 2019, Asian American students received 70.20%
Class of 2020, Asian American students received 71.34%
Class of 2021, Asian American students received 74.90%
Class of 2023, Asian American students received 72.87%
Class of 2024, Asian American students received 73.05%

Admissions changed to Essay based, and increased enrollment of 8th grade algebra1 students:
Class of 2025, Asian American students received 54.36%
Class of 2026, Asian American students received 59.82%
Class of 2027, Asian American students received 61.64%.
Class of 2028, Asian American students received 57.27%

https://www.fcps.edu/news/offers-extended-thomas-jefferson-high-school-science-and-technology-class-2028

There is a history of legitimizing discrimination against Asian Americans. What is laughable is there are insecure asians who support discrimination against their own race.
https://exhibits.stanford.edu/riseup/feature/timeline-of-systemic-racism-against-aapi

That's laughable. We're talking about a race-blind selection process that overwhelmingly selects more Asians than anyone and even the new system had the most significant impact on low-income Asian families.

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:Merit Test based Admissions:
Class of 2019, Asian American students received 70.20%
Class of 2020, Asian American students received 71.34%
Class of 2021, Asian American students received 74.90%
Class of 2023, Asian American students received 72.87%
Class of 2024, Asian American students received 73.05%

Admissions changed to Essay based, and increased enrollment of 8th grade algebra1 students:
Class of 2025, Asian American students received 54.36%
Class of 2026, Asian American students received 59.82%
Class of 2027, Asian American students received 61.64%.
Class of 2028, Asian American students received 57.27%

https://www.fcps.edu/news/offers-extended-thomas-jefferson-high-school-science-and-technology-class-2028

There is a history of legitimizing discrimination against Asian Americans. What is laughable is there are insecure asians who support discrimination against their own race.
https://exhibits.stanford.edu/riseup/feature/timeline-of-systemic-racism-against-aapi

not specific to asians. there are self hating in every race. insecure, ashamed of their own heritage, go out of their way to only bad mouth their own, hoping to assimilate and be accepted as another race

[Anonymous]

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Is it a coincidence that Algebra 1 offers went up and Asian American student quota came down?

Merit Test based Admissions:
Class of 2019, Asian American 70.20%; algebra 1 offers 5%
Class of 2020, Asian American 71.34%; algebra 1 offers 5%
Class of 2021, Asian American 74.90%; algebra 1 offers 4%
Class of 2023, Asian American 72.87%; algebra 1 offers 4%
Class of 2024, Asian American 73.05%; algebra 1 offers 4%

Admissions changed to Essay based, and increased enrollment of 8th grade algebra1 students:
Class of 2025, Asian American 54.36%; algebra 1 offers =31%
Class of 2026, Asian American 59.82%; algebra 1 offers >25%
Class of 2027, Asian American 61.64%; algebra 1 offers >25%
Class of 2028, Asian American 57.27%; algebra 1 offers >25%

Page 10 has Algebra1 numbers:
https://go.boarddocs.com/vsba/fairfax/Board.nsf/files/BWE23Y004896/$file/TJ%20White%20Paper%2011.17.2020.pdf
Increase in Algebra 1 admits:
https://fcag.org/documents/TJ_Class_of_2025_analysis.pdf
What kind of a message does this send to Asian American students? There exists a quota limit?

Yes it does tell Asian American students there is a limit exclusively for them when their representation rises. But not for students of other race, even when the demographics dont match:

California State University—Los Angeles. Hispanic Students: 74% No suppression

South Carolina State University, Black Students: 95% No suppression

TJ High School for Science & Tech, Asian Students 72%, Suppressed to 54% in one year

There's a distinct sense of arrogant confidence among public authorities that, among all minorities, the Asian Americans would tolerate racial manipulation and not react vehemently or violently. No one dare pull this kind of maneuver at those other two universities.

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:So 75ish less Asian students are getting in each year now? How did the rest of the population feel about having such a large majority before? I remember reading that they were very uncomfortable. Maybe they should have changed the mission of TJ to diversity it better rather than the application.

Rest of the the population celebrated the Asian majority at TJ since they reinforced TJ's standing. It is the equity politicians that went about tinkering with TJ. The 75 Asian students that are denied their TJ spots, can easily handle the base school rigor. The same cant be said of the 75 replacement Algebra 1 students that are suffering at TJ with remedial math and playing constant catch-up.

The average number of Asian students per admitted class for the 10 years prior to the change was 330. The average since the change was 321.

So, on average, there are 9 fewer Asian kids per class after the change.

race based selections and racial quota management behind those numbers is concerning.

There is no racial quota or race-based selections.

Stop spreading misinformation.

FCPS reserved spots for every middle school whether those kids were qualified or not. Those middle schools have different demographics.

Stop spreading misinformation.

ZERO students were automatically granted admission. They ALL had to meet the criteria and go through admissions/evaluation process.

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:So 75ish less Asian students are getting in each year now? How did the rest of the population feel about having such a large majority before? I remember reading that they were very uncomfortable. Maybe they should have changed the mission of TJ to diversity it better rather than the application.

Rest of the the population celebrated the Asian majority at TJ since they reinforced TJ's standing. It is the equity politicians that went about tinkering with TJ. The 75 Asian students that are denied their TJ spots, can easily handle the base school rigor. The same cant be said of the 75 replacement Algebra 1 students that are suffering at TJ with remedial math and playing constant catch-up.

The average number of Asian students per admitted class for the 10 years prior to the change was 330. The average since the change was 321.

So, on average, there are 9 fewer Asian kids per class after the change.

By dropping important information from the test and teachers’ recommendation, that 321 is way weaker than that 330 in the old system

So the only people entitled to attend TJ are affluent Asians?

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:So 75ish less Asian students are getting in each year now? How did the rest of the population feel about having such a large majority before? I remember reading that they were very uncomfortable. Maybe they should have changed the mission of TJ to diversity it better rather than the application.

Rest of the the population celebrated the Asian majority at TJ since they reinforced TJ's standing. It is the equity politicians that went about tinkering with TJ. The 75 Asian students that are denied their TJ spots, can easily handle the base school rigor. The same cant be said of the 75 replacement Algebra 1 students that are suffering at TJ with remedial math and playing constant catch-up.

The average number of Asian students per admitted class for the 10 years prior to the change was 330. The average since the change was 321.

So, on average, there are 9 fewer Asian kids per class after the change.

By dropping important information from the test and teachers’ recommendation, that 321 is way weaker than that 330 in the old system

It's been proven that teacher recs are too often racially biased so they had no choice but to remove them.

The test also was rigged since too many students with means were simply buying the answers from various prep centers.

The old system was toxic and broken.

Please stop this BS. No study has proved and can prove what you claim. To prove that, you need to randomly assign race to one same student then see how his/her teachers’ recommendations differ by assigned races. This sounds ridiculous and impossible as your claims. Basically, there is no way to prove definitely either the old admissions or the new admissions to be racially biased.

We only see clearly that the new admissions obmits key information abour applying students. This system has led to much larger pool of unprepared and less motivated students joining TJ. This has resulted in low teaching/learning quality, 10x higher dropout rate, and the significant drop in TJ’s ranking.

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:So 75ish less Asian students are getting in each year now? How did the rest of the population feel about having such a large majority before? I remember reading that they were very uncomfortable. Maybe they should have changed the mission of TJ to diversity it better rather than the application.

Rest of the the population celebrated the Asian majority at TJ since they reinforced TJ's standing. It is the equity politicians that went about tinkering with TJ. The 75 Asian students that are denied their TJ spots, can easily handle the base school rigor. The same cant be said of the 75 replacement Algebra 1 students that are suffering at TJ with remedial math and playing constant catch-up.

The average number of Asian students per admitted class for the 10 years prior to the change was 330. The average since the change was 321.

So, on average, there are 9 fewer Asian kids per class after the change.

By dropping important information from the test and teachers’ recommendation, that 321 is way weaker than that 330 in the old system

It's been proven that teacher recs are too often racially biased so they had no choice but to remove them.

The test also was rigged since too many students with means were simply buying the answers from various prep centers.

The old system was toxic and broken.

This is such a dumb post. Proven? What nonsense!

Why do college admissions use teacher recommendations then?

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:TJ used to be the number 1 ranked high school in the entire USA.

Last year it dropped to number 5, following the school board’s politically-driven changes to the admissions policy.

This year TJ has dropped even further, to number 14.

It is sad to see how the school board worked to ruin TJ, in the foolish pursuit of “equity” (which won’t work and will only make things worse).

With no mechanism to evaluate applicants, they dont know who they are admitting among the Asian students. The previous admissions process ensured top caliber Asian students only were admitted, not its a mixed bag.

Thumbs up!

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:TJ used to be the number 1 ranked high school in the entire USA.

Last year it dropped to number 5, following the school board’s politically-driven changes to the admissions policy.

This year TJ has dropped even further, to number 14.

It is sad to see how the school board worked to ruin TJ, in the foolish pursuit of “equity” (which won’t work and will only make things worse).

I wouldn't put too much stock in these silly rankings, but I can safely say that TJ is now better serving FCPS residents than it was when only kids who could afford outside prep were admitted.

Get over your obsession with “Asian take test preps” if you truly want your kids to do better in school.

Majority of Asian kids are not from well off families who can afford tutoring and test preps. They only start learning math early in ES and work harder in MS.

[Anonymous]

I am fine with the admissions change. Carson and Longfellow are still getting plenty of kids in.

-parent of waitpooled Carson student