TJ admissions change from Merit to Essay impact to Asian American Students

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:The average number of Asian students per admitted class for the 10 years prior to the change was 330. The average since the change was 321.

So, on average, there are 9 fewer Asian kids per class after the change.

NINE.

Awesome.

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:The average number of Asian students per admitted class for the 10 years prior to the change was 330. The average since the change was 321.

So, on average, there are 9 fewer Asian kids per class after the change.

NINE.

Were the Asian students racially discriminated and excluded from being considered for expanded seat quota, bringing their overall number from 73% to 54%?

It appears so.

[Anonymous]

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Anonymous wrote:The average number of Asian students per admitted class for the 10 years prior to the change was 330. The average since the change was 321.

So, on average, there are 9 fewer Asian kids per class after the change.

Nine.

However the overall Asian student percent has gone done. The total number of seats were expanded, but Asian students were solely excluded from participating in the expanded seat assignment. Why wilfully exclude the 1000+ declined Asian applicants from not receiving a single seat from the expanded seat quota?

You're making up fake data to be outraged about. The admissions roughly track the applicant pool. The admissions change was supposed to change interest in the school and increase the underrepresented applicants by geographic as well as racial and SES demographic. And it did. More underrepresented applicants applied and were admitted. That doesn't mean that the represented demographic was excluded.

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They were expanded the size of the class to minimize the impact on groups sending a lot of kids already while creating space for new groups to also go. That’s a positive thing.

Exactly.

They expanded the class to include more students from across the county. The “impact” to Asian students was almost negligent.

Nine fewer students on average.

Very true also the old system was anything but merit since it rewarded those who could afford to buy the test answers which is hardly merit.

TJ high school going away from testing but the IVY league is returning to testing.

Testing, good.
Optional testing, bad.

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:The average number of Asian students per admitted class for the 10 years prior to the change was 330. The average since the change was 321.

So, on average, there are 9 fewer Asian kids per class after the change.

NINE.

Were the Asian students racially discriminated and excluded from being considered for expanded seat quota, bringing their overall number from 73% to 54%?

Absolutely.

[Anonymous]

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Anonymous wrote:Colleges went away from merit (SAT) for a few years and now returning to it as a more accurate measure of what they want in a kid.

You do realize that standardized tests are not the only way to measure merit, right?

Yes, and SAT is a merit.

What do you mean by SAT is a merit?

It can be one possible way to measure one type of “merit”, but it is not the only way. Plus, there are many different types of “merit.” Doing well at TJ requires many different types of skills and talents, not all of which are measurable by a standardized test.

After a few years of testless admissions, the top schools are realizing that the SAT is important. Apparently the multitude of other merits aren't good enough, aren't sufficient, to identify the students they want at their universities. TJ is heading in one direction, the university are heading the other direction, back to the old time-tested standardized test.

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:The average number of Asian students per admitted class for the 10 years prior to the change was 330. The average since the change was 321.

So, on average, there are 9 fewer Asian kids per class after the change.

NINE.

Were the Asian students racially discriminated and excluded from being considered for expanded seat quota, bringing their overall number from 73% to 54%?

No. They added seats so that MSs from across the area would have a chance at sending kids from non-feeder schools.

Who benefited the most from the change? Students from lower-income Asian families.

Asians will continue to dominate TJ, even if there are 9 fewer per class out of several hundred kids.

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:
Is it a coincidence that Algebra 1 offers went up and Asian American student quota came down?

Merit Test based Admissions:
Class of 2019, Asian American 70.20%; algebra 1 offers 5%
Class of 2020, Asian American 71.34%; algebra 1 offers 5%
Class of 2021, Asian American 74.90%; algebra 1 offers 4%
Class of 2023, Asian American 72.87%; algebra 1 offers 4%
Class of 2024, Asian American 73.05%; algebra 1 offers 4%

Admissions changed to Essay based, and increased enrollment of 8th grade algebra1 students:
Class of 2025, Asian American 54.36%; algebra 1 offers =31%
Class of 2026, Asian American 59.82%; algebra 1 offers >25%
Class of 2027, Asian American 61.64%; algebra 1 offers >25%
Class of 2028, Asian American 57.27%; algebra 1 offers >25%

Page 10 has Algebra1 numbers:
https://go.boarddocs.com/vsba/fairfax/Board.nsf/files/BWE23Y004896/$file/TJ%20White%20Paper%2011.17.2020.pdf
Increase in Algebra 1 admits:
https://fcag.org/documents/TJ_Class_of_2025_analysis.pdf

What kind of a message does this send to Asian American students? There exists a quota limit?

Yes it does tell Asian American students there is a limit exclusively for them when their representation rises. But not for students of other race, even when the demographics dont match:


California State University—Los Angeles.
Hispanic Students: 74% No suppression

South Carolina State University,
Black Students: 95% No suppression

TJ High School for Science & Tech,
Asian Students 72%, Suppressed to 54% in one year

Students should not be discriminated based on their race

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:That’s why it happened to diversify and create equality.

Anonymous wrote:Merit Test based Admissions:
Class of 2019, Asian American students received 70.20%
Class of 2020, Asian American students received 71.34%
Class of 2021, Asian American students received 74.90%
Class of 2023, Asian American students received 72.87%
Class of 2024, Asian American students received 73.05%

Admissions changed to Essay based, and increased enrollment of 8th grade algebra1 students:
Class of 2025, Asian American students received 54.36%
Class of 2026, Asian American students received 59.82%
Class of 2027, Asian American students received 61.64%.
Class of 2028, Asian American students received 57.27%

https://www.fcps.edu/news/offers-extended-thomas-jefferson-high-school-science-and-technology-class-2028

Wow, it may be a slip, but exactly does a school system create equality? Changing the standards for admission may allow some heretofore students in and keep others out, but some students will always perform better than others. There is no such thing as "equality" in performance at TJ or elsewhere.

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:That’s why it happened to diversify and create equality.

Anonymous wrote:Merit Test based Admissions:
Class of 2019, Asian American students received 70.20%
Class of 2020, Asian American students received 71.34%
Class of 2021, Asian American students received 74.90%
Class of 2023, Asian American students received 72.87%
Class of 2024, Asian American students received 73.05%

Admissions changed to Essay based, and increased enrollment of 8th grade algebra1 students:
Class of 2025, Asian American students received 54.36%
Class of 2026, Asian American students received 59.82%
Class of 2027, Asian American students received 61.64%.
Class of 2028, Asian American students received 57.27%

https://www.fcps.edu/news/offers-extended-thomas-jefferson-high-school-science-and-technology-class-2028

Wow, it may be a slip, but exactly does a school system create equality? Changing the standards for admission may allow some heretofore students in and keep others out, but some students will always perform better than others. There is no such thing as "equality" in performance at TJ or elsewhere.

Equity politics begins and ends with giveaways. The School Board can hand out a TJ offer to the underqualified under the guise of a reward, but they cannot compel a student to study after gaining admission to TJ.

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:
Is it a coincidence that Algebra 1 offers went up and Asian American student quota came down?

Merit Test based Admissions:
Class of 2019, Asian American 70.20%; algebra 1 offers 5%
Class of 2020, Asian American 71.34%; algebra 1 offers 5%
Class of 2021, Asian American 74.90%; algebra 1 offers 4%
Class of 2023, Asian American 72.87%; algebra 1 offers 4%
Class of 2024, Asian American 73.05%; algebra 1 offers 4%

Admissions changed to Essay based, and increased enrollment of 8th grade algebra1 students:
Class of 2025, Asian American 54.36%; algebra 1 offers =31%
Class of 2026, Asian American 59.82%; algebra 1 offers >25%
Class of 2027, Asian American 61.64%; algebra 1 offers >25%
Class of 2028, Asian American 57.27%; algebra 1 offers >25%

Page 10 has Algebra1 numbers:
https://go.boarddocs.com/vsba/fairfax/Board.nsf/files/BWE23Y004896/$file/TJ%20White%20Paper%2011.17.2020.pdf
Increase in Algebra 1 admits:
https://fcag.org/documents/TJ_Class_of_2025_analysis.pdf

What kind of a message does this send to Asian American students? There exists a quota limit?

Yes it does tell Asian American students there is a limit exclusively for them when their representation rises. But not for students of other race, even when the demographics dont match:


California State University—Los Angeles.
Hispanic Students: 74% No suppression

South Carolina State University,
Black Students: 95% No suppression

TJ High School for Science & Tech,
Asian Students 72%, Suppressed to 54% in one year

Students should not be discriminated based on their race

Agree. Good thing the new admissions process does not discriminate by race.

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:That’s why it happened to diversify and create equality.

Anonymous wrote:Merit Test based Admissions:
Class of 2019, Asian American students received 70.20%
Class of 2020, Asian American students received 71.34%
Class of 2021, Asian American students received 74.90%
Class of 2023, Asian American students received 72.87%
Class of 2024, Asian American students received 73.05%

Admissions changed to Essay based, and increased enrollment of 8th grade algebra1 students:
Class of 2025, Asian American students received 54.36%
Class of 2026, Asian American students received 59.82%
Class of 2027, Asian American students received 61.64%.
Class of 2028, Asian American students received 57.27%

https://www.fcps.edu/news/offers-extended-thomas-jefferson-high-school-science-and-technology-class-2028

Wow, it may be a slip, but exactly does a school system create equality? Changing the standards for admission may allow some heretofore students in and keep others out, but some students will always perform better than others. There is no such thing as "equality" in performance at TJ or elsewhere.

Equity politics begins and ends with giveaways. The School Board can hand out a TJ offer to the underqualified under the guise of a reward, but they cannot compel a student to study after gaining admission to TJ.

Stop trashing these kids to push your politics. It's disgusting. All of the admitted students were qualified for TJ.

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:
Is it a coincidence that Algebra 1 offers went up and Asian American student quota came down?

Merit Test based Admissions:
Class of 2019, Asian American 70.20%; algebra 1 offers 5%
Class of 2020, Asian American 71.34%; algebra 1 offers 5%
Class of 2021, Asian American 74.90%; algebra 1 offers 4%
Class of 2023, Asian American 72.87%; algebra 1 offers 4%
Class of 2024, Asian American 73.05%; algebra 1 offers 4%

Admissions changed to Essay based, and increased enrollment of 8th grade algebra1 students:
Class of 2025, Asian American 54.36%; algebra 1 offers =31%
Class of 2026, Asian American 59.82%; algebra 1 offers >25%
Class of 2027, Asian American 61.64%; algebra 1 offers >25%
Class of 2028, Asian American 57.27%; algebra 1 offers >25%

Page 10 has Algebra1 numbers:
https://go.boarddocs.com/vsba/fairfax/Board.nsf/files/BWE23Y004896/$file/TJ%20White%20Paper%2011.17.2020.pdf
Increase in Algebra 1 admits:
https://fcag.org/documents/TJ_Class_of_2025_analysis.pdf

What kind of a message does this send to Asian American students? There exists a quota limit?

Yes it does tell Asian American students there is a limit exclusively for them when their representation rises. But not for students of other race, even when the demographics dont match:


California State University—Los Angeles.
Hispanic Students: 74% No suppression

South Carolina State University,
Black Students: 95% No suppression

TJ High School for Science & Tech,
Asian Students 72%, Suppressed to 54% in one year

Students should not be discriminated based on their race

Agree. Good thing the new admissions process does not discriminate by race.

Yeah right, 73% to 54% suppression of a single race speaks for itself.

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:That’s why it happened to diversify and create equality.

Anonymous wrote:Merit Test based Admissions:
Class of 2019, Asian American students received 70.20%
Class of 2020, Asian American students received 71.34%
Class of 2021, Asian American students received 74.90%
Class of 2023, Asian American students received 72.87%
Class of 2024, Asian American students received 73.05%

Admissions changed to Essay based, and increased enrollment of 8th grade algebra1 students:
Class of 2025, Asian American students received 54.36%
Class of 2026, Asian American students received 59.82%
Class of 2027, Asian American students received 61.64%.
Class of 2028, Asian American students received 57.27%

https://www.fcps.edu/news/offers-extended-thomas-jefferson-high-school-science-and-technology-class-2028

Wow, it may be a slip, but exactly does a school system create equality? Changing the standards for admission may allow some heretofore students in and keep others out, but some students will always perform better than others. There is no such thing as "equality" in performance at TJ or elsewhere.

Equity politics begins and ends with giveaways. The School Board can hand out a TJ offer to the underqualified under the guise of a reward, but they cannot compel a student to study after gaining admission to TJ.

Stop trashing these kids to push your politics. It's disgusting. All of the admitted students were qualified for TJ.

I don't have a dog in this fight, but "qualified" or not "qualified" is subjective and open for discussion in a public discussion board (e.g. DCUM). Some folks believe (and have the right to express their belief) that TJ should only be for aspiring Regeneron and USAMO kids. Other folks might believe that any interested student with a board-specified minimum GPA is good enough for TJ. We're all discussing what we think is best for our kids, our county, and society in general.

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:That’s why it happened to diversify and create equality.

Anonymous wrote:Merit Test based Admissions:
Class of 2019, Asian American students received 70.20%
Class of 2020, Asian American students received 71.34%
Class of 2021, Asian American students received 74.90%
Class of 2023, Asian American students received 72.87%
Class of 2024, Asian American students received 73.05%

Admissions changed to Essay based, and increased enrollment of 8th grade algebra1 students:
Class of 2025, Asian American students received 54.36%
Class of 2026, Asian American students received 59.82%
Class of 2027, Asian American students received 61.64%.
Class of 2028, Asian American students received 57.27%

https://www.fcps.edu/news/offers-extended-thomas-jefferson-high-school-science-and-technology-class-2028

Wow, it may be a slip, but exactly does a school system create equality? Changing the standards for admission may allow some heretofore students in and keep others out, but some students will always perform better than others. There is no such thing as "equality" in performance at TJ or elsewhere.

Equity politics begins and ends with giveaways. The School Board can hand out a TJ offer to the underqualified under the guise of a reward, but they cannot compel a student to study after gaining admission to TJ.

Stop trashing these kids to push your politics. It's disgusting. All of the admitted students were qualified for TJ.

They qualify because someone said so. The bar is so low that you can probably fill TJ three times over. Hence people have the following impression about anyone going to TJ: "it's a lottery".

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:No one, including Asians, want to go to a school that is 75% Asian.

Gross.
Strongly disagree with this very racist statement.

The point of TJ is to attend a school where intense academic rigor is the focus, alongside other highly-motivated, high-achieving, hard-working students who are driven to pursue academic success rooted in cutting-edge STEM research. That’s it. End of story.

Students (and the parents of these students) who are seeking this environment for high school literally do not care what your ethnic/racial background of the other students is—so long as they meet the above requirement. And prior to the admissions review and re-engineering aimed at equity to balance the outcome of the application process according to identity politics, it just happened to be that the vast majority (over 70%) of admitted students who best matched the merit-based criteria of being high-achieving, highly-motivated, hard-working students with academic success as their key goal….were Asian.