Wife friendship with male neighbor

Anonymous
To the person who is outraged that I am suggesting a broken home for the kids, no, I’m suggesting that divorce is a viable option, just like selling the house and moving is a viable option, and that plan will cause stress too. The marriage may survive a “let’s talk about divorce talk” better than an actual move, yet somehow divorce talk is … just not allowed.
For whatever reason, this situation is something the op is no longer willing to tolerate, and he doesn’t have to. The wife is closer to a man then most people would like, I know I’d not be pleased if my husband was going out with a woman this evening instead of one of his buddies. OP was fine with what his wife was doing until well, he wasn’t. If the wife was a good person, she at least be talking with her husband about all this. She isn’t, and if she’s going to behave this way, far better for op to take care of himself and start the divorce process v. Sitting around waiting and hoping.
Me, personally, I could care less what they do. I didn’t post and my husband’s behavior has been fine. If it wasn’t, I’d do what I could about it and the one thing I could do with no participation on his part is end the marriage. OP can too.
Being divorced would be preferable then watching your spouse get all gooey over someone else then freeze you out when you point it out to her. F*** that.
Anonymous
Anonymous wrote: To the person who is outraged that I am suggesting a broken home for the kids, no, I’m suggesting that divorce is a viable option, just like selling the house and moving is a viable option, and that plan will cause stress too. The marriage may survive a “let’s talk about divorce talk” better than an actual move, yet somehow divorce talk is … just not allowed.
For whatever reason, this situation is something the op is no longer willing to tolerate, and he doesn’t have to. The wife is closer to a man then most people would like, I know I’d not be pleased if my husband was going out with a woman this evening instead of one of his buddies. OP was fine with what his wife was doing until well, he wasn’t. If the wife was a good person, she at least be talking with her husband about all this. She isn’t, and if she’s going to behave this way, far better for op to take care of himself and start the divorce process v. Sitting around waiting and hoping.
Me, personally, I could care less what they do. I didn’t post and my husband’s behavior has been fine. If it wasn’t, I’d do what I could about it and the one thing I could do with no participation on his part is end the marriage. OP can too.
Being divorced would be preferable then watching your spouse get all gooey over someone else then freeze you out when you point it out to her. F*** that.


I’ve met a few guys like the OP. They tend to be very passive and submissive. Their wives end up gravitating to a real man who takes charge. The OP won’t change her mind and even if she concedes or admits what she did, it won’t change what happened or what she really wants deep inside.
Anonymous
You say, "Mostly innocent" texts, which ones weren't "innocent?" Also you say they don't talk much now but what did the texts show since you looked?

Your gut is your gut and you should 100% trust it.
Anonymous
Agree with PP regarding aggressive but in a good way. If the male friend was giving your DW attention compliments right in front of you which it sounds like that is aggressive and it likely turned her on. I had/have a similar situation and my “friend” approached me at a social function years ago and basically excluded my spouse from the conversation to the extent my spouse went to another room of the party. My friend still seeks me out makes sure I have a drink and comes straight to me whenever I see this person at a social function. And yes I get dressed up for this person. It also has to do with the emotional affair thats been discussed here. If there is a spark between your DW and this friend the EA builds trust and then it is just a matter of time. So I think if your DW was being approached right in front of you it likely was a turn on for her. Whether she acted physically on it who knows but she cheated in a willing way emotionally with him and definitely fantasizes about him.
Anonymous
Anonymous wrote:I just don't get people who jeopardize their reality for fantasy.


Yes, the OP has indeed jeopardized his relationship by letting his imagination take over.

He needs to act like an adult and actually talk with his wife. He swears he didn't accuse her of anything, but if he cannot comprehend that anyone would view his actions so far as incredibly accusatory in nature, he's a lost cause. She's immature to go silent, but she also likely feels totally blindsided, and is wondering if he's spent the last several years stewing over this silently, while putting on a fake-happy face in front of her. He seems oblivious to this, and prefers thinking he's in the right to actually communicating like an adult with the person he's supposed to love.

It's almost as if OP wants to find out she had an affair, so he can feel justified in his suspicions and snooping. The people posting glib little "listen to you gut" jabs here about the wife are aholes contributing to his Need To Be Right and probably to the demise of the marriage, too. A woman can have a male friend who really is only a friend, but that seems to be beyond OP's and DCUM's ability to understand. And yeah, I'd say the same about a husband with a female friend.
Anonymous
Anonymous wrote:
Anonymous wrote:
Anonymous wrote:She is wildly overreacting to you reading her texts.

Also, texts can deleted so not sure that this helped. Emails can be deleted too. Internet history can be cleared. Without an IT background and a lot of work, checking her phone won’t yield useful information even if she was.

She probably has feelings for him. I know I would in that situation. What you don’t know is if she did anything with those feelings and you may never know.



I think the silent treatment is an unacceptable method of dealing with an issue, but I can also understand why she is upset that her husband read her texts. I say things to my girlfriends that I'd rather my husband not read and I would be upset if he read them.


Really? I complain about my husband to my girlfriends too, but it’s nothing I wouldn’t say to his face. If he had the patience to go through my texts it would very much be a nonissue.

Also, she definitely should not be telling neighbor guy anything she wouldn’t want DH to know.


Yes, really. Of course I communicate with my husband and I do tell him to his face when I have an issue, but I can also vent with my friends about the fact that he left the soy sauce contained sitting directly under the cabinet in which it lives for two days until the cleaners came because we like to laugh about the fact that our husbands sometimes do dumb things. I'm not angry with him about it. I don't need to talk to him about it. But he also doesn't need to know that my friends and I make fun of our husbands sometimes.

It's not like I'm telling my friend that I hate my husband or want a divorce or have big issues in our marriage. That I would obviously discuss with him. But I also appreciate the ability to be able to vent with my friends without my husband knowing about it. So yeah, I would be upset if he read through all my messages because I didn't do anything wrong but I could nonetheless see how his feelings could be hurt and why bother having that conversation? I love him deeply, our marriage is amazing, our life is wonderful, but living with another person means sometimes they get on your nerves and it's ok to talk to friends about that without needing to bring it up to your spouse.
Anonymous
Anonymous wrote:
Anonymous wrote:Hmmm I have a similar relationship with our male neighbor. We also share a common interest that neither of our spouses do so we've done things surrounding that together, sometimes with our sons who are starting to share the interest too. Nothing else is going on. There is no emotional affair, there is no desire to sleep with him. We may sit next to each other but we don't converse with just each other. I don't know if DH has ever read the texts. If he has, I'm fine with it. They don't vary much from the texts I have with other people with that interest.

I know people won't believe me, I just don't see him that way.


I totally agree. I used to have a male friend who I did lots of things with, texted, talked on the phone, visited him at his house, worked with him, played on a softball team with him, got rides with him or him with me, I could go on and on. We were both married and we never crossed any lines including no flirting. I found him attractive and guess he probably did me too but neither of us was interested in blowing up our marriages so we were just friends. If my husband had questioned this relationship I would have been pretty upset.


I'm similarly a woman with male friends, but if my husband questioned any of those relationships (depending on how he did it), I would respond kindly and acknowledge his feelings. I would be upset if he didn't believe me that nothing was going on, but I wouldn't be a jerk about it and ignore his perceptions or his feelings or how he thought it looked. I wouldn't just give up the relationship with my friend, but I think it's unkind to say that you would be upset if your husband came to you and said he was bothered by it.
Anonymous
Anonymous wrote:OP here (there was a previous "OP" with a flip response - not me)

wasn't expecting quite the lengthy thread. Thanks for the serious replies.

The irony in all of this is that I brought up this topic to improve our relationship for the long run. Let me explain. I'm not a perfect husband. I've given her the silent treatment on occasions over the years as has she. Our communication in general needs improvement. Maybe some counseling. Recently i've been opening up about various things to mixed/surprised reactions from her. I love her dearly and I believe she loves me. We have our health, awesome kids, financial stability, and generally a great life. I'm not looking to blow it up. On the contrary, I wanted to pull the band aid on something that has been on my mind for quite a while. It may be (and i hope it is) perfectly innocent. Great! But as her husband I want her to know how i've been perceiving all of this.
One pp noted that in a healthy relationship, both spouses have a right to discuss their concerns, suspicions, etc openly. 100% pp. 100%.

To be clear, I did NOT accuse her of any wrong doing and made it very clear to her that I was not doing so when we talked. I stated my observations and thoughts that are a culmination of multiple years of experiences. We're in the midwest, so it could be a cultural thing? (we're both transplants here) I truly don't know if anything has transpired and I may never know. What I do know with near certainty is that others in our neighbor group have noted and they likely noted years ago. I can read a room.

As soon as Ryan's name left my lips I could see her tense up and flush. She wasn't surprised so much about the topic more so than the timing. Why not a few yrs ago during the "gym" years - which could have been construed as inappropriate? She made clear nothing went on between them. Fine. But i've cleared the air and she's upset. I can see from her perspective how insulting this might be. But my feelings are valid too and I don't regret bringing it up. It's been 2 days. I'll give her space and see what she has to say when she's ready.




OP, as a wife with a generally awesome marriage, I can say that if my husband came to me like you did (and I had done nothing with this man), I would probably have the following reactions all at once:
1) Anger/betrayal that you had read my texts. My husband and I know each other's phone passwords and we regularly leave our phones out when we're not around or we use each other's phones if needed, but I would still be upset if my husband went behind my back to read my texts because we have never discussed doing that and have a general notion of respecting each other's privacy.
2) Sadness/sympathy that I had made my husband feel insecure about our marriage and sadness/sympathy that I had done anything to make him think I didn't love him enough to never cheat on him and sadness/sympathy that he had felt embarrassed by things other had said.
3) Offense/astonishment that my husband would think I am the kind of person who would ever cheat on him, given that I have never intentionally given him any reason to think I would do something like that or that I was the kind of person who would cheat on their spouse.

There are probably more emotions I would have, but my point to you was that depending on which emotion escaped my body first (i.e. 1 or 3), I could see that perhaps my initial reaction might not be to respond kindly. Over the course of 2 days I would hope I would be able to see things more rationally, but it's possible that even though I love my husband very much and would never want to see him upset or embarrassed and it would break my heart if he thought I would cheat on him, I would also have conflicting negative emotions that might be what comes out of me.
Anonymous
Anonymous wrote:
Anonymous wrote:OP here (there was a previous "OP" with a flip response - not me)

wasn't expecting quite the lengthy thread. Thanks for the serious replies.

The irony in all of this is that I brought up this topic to improve our relationship for the long run. Let me explain. I'm not a perfect husband. I've given her the silent treatment on occasions over the years as has she. Our communication in general needs improvement. Maybe some counseling. Recently i've been opening up about various things to mixed/surprised reactions from her. I love her dearly and I believe she loves me. We have our health, awesome kids, financial stability, and generally a great life. I'm not looking to blow it up. On the contrary, I wanted to pull the band aid on something that has been on my mind for quite a while. It may be (and i hope it is) perfectly innocent. Great! But as her husband I want her to know how i've been perceiving all of this.
One pp noted that in a healthy relationship, both spouses have a right to discuss their concerns, suspicions, etc openly. 100% pp. 100%.

To be clear, I did NOT accuse her of any wrong doing and made it very clear to her that I was not doing so when we talked. I stated my observations and thoughts that are a culmination of multiple years of experiences. We're in the midwest, so it could be a cultural thing? (we're both transplants here) I truly don't know if anything has transpired and I may never know. What I do know with near certainty is that others in our neighbor group have noted and they likely noted years ago. I can read a room.

As soon as Ryan's name left my lips I could see her tense up and flush. She wasn't surprised so much about the topic more so than the timing. Why not a few yrs ago during the "gym" years - which could have been construed as inappropriate? She made clear nothing went on between them. Fine. But i've cleared the air and she's upset. I can see from her perspective how insulting this might be. But my feelings are valid too and I don't regret bringing it up. It's been 2 days. I'll give her space and see what she has to say when she's ready.




Have you said the bold to her? Acknowledged that you "see from her perspective how insulting this might be"? You should.

Have you tried to answer her question about why you're doing all this now, and not a few years ago -- years, OP! -- when she saw him regularly to exercise? She has a good point. Have you had suspicions that festered all these years? That may be why she's so monumentally pi$$3d; she may think that the last several years have been you, putting up a front and watching her every interaction like a hawk. You claim you didn't have suspicions then and I'm not hearing any concrete reasons for real red flags now, OP. She may feel blindsided and may be wondering if you've been spying on her in other ways over time. I'd start to doubt everything that had happened over the recent years after this, in her shoes.

So you need to talk to her again. And saying "Well, we're in silent treatment mode, so there's no point in trying to talk to her now!" is frankly cowardly on your part. (And yes, I also think that the silent treatment is immature on HER part, for sure, but one of you has to be the bigger person to start working on this. Let it be you. If you insist it be her, well, you and she both have MUCH larger problems of intransigent stubbornness.)

You admit that you have communication issues already. You and she need an objective third party like a therapist or counselor to hash this out or the mistrust between you over this mess is going to fester and will always be there. Great recipe for an eventual breakup. Sitting back and saying "I'll see what she has to say" is letting things stew, OP. Don't let it stew. You should apologize to her, tell her you haven't been spying on or perseverating about this for years (have you--?) and point out what is good in your relationship, then say you recognize you blindsided her with this. It's fine to say you felt you had to articulate your concerns, OP! But you need to pair that with recognition of her feelings of being blindsided and accused by you.

Then get outside help.


This is a great post.

And bonus points for the use of perseverating.
Anonymous
Anonymous wrote:
Anonymous wrote:OP here (there was a previous "OP" with a flip response - not me)

wasn't expecting quite the lengthy thread. Thanks for the serious replies.

The irony in all of this is that I brought up this topic to improve our relationship for the long run. Let me explain. I'm not a perfect husband. I've given her the silent treatment on occasions over the years as has she. Our communication in general needs improvement. Maybe some counseling. Recently i've been opening up about various things to mixed/surprised reactions from her. I love her dearly and I believe she loves me. We have our health, awesome kids, financial stability, and generally a great life. I'm not looking to blow it up. On the contrary, I wanted to pull the band aid on something that has been on my mind for quite a while. It may be (and i hope it is) perfectly innocent. Great! But as her husband I want her to know how i've been perceiving all of this.
One pp noted that in a healthy relationship, both spouses have a right to discuss their concerns, suspicions, etc openly. 100% pp. 100%.

To be clear, I did NOT accuse her of any wrong doing and made it very clear to her that I was not doing so when we talked. I stated my observations and thoughts that are a culmination of multiple years of experiences. We're in the midwest, so it could be a cultural thing? (we're both transplants here) I truly don't know if anything has transpired and I may never know. What I do know with near certainty is that others in our neighbor group have noted and they likely noted years ago. I can read a room.

As soon as Ryan's name left my lips I could see her tense up and flush. She wasn't surprised so much about the topic more so than the timing. Why not a few yrs ago during the "gym" years - which could have been construed as inappropriate? She made clear nothing went on between them. Fine. But i've cleared the air and she's upset. I can see from her perspective how insulting this might be. But my feelings are valid too and I don't regret bringing it up. It's been 2 days. I'll give her space and see what she has to say when she's ready.




OP, as a wife with a generally awesome marriage, I can say that if my husband came to me like you did (and I had done nothing with this man), I would probably have the following reactions all at once:
1) Anger/betrayal that you had read my texts. My husband and I know each other's phone passwords and we regularly leave our phones out when we're not around or we use each other's phones if needed, but I would still be upset if my husband went behind my back to read my texts because we have never discussed doing that and have a general notion of respecting each other's privacy.
2) Sadness/sympathy that I had made my husband feel insecure about our marriage and sadness/sympathy that I had done anything to make him think I didn't love him enough to never cheat on him and sadness/sympathy that he had felt embarrassed by things other had said.
3) Offense/astonishment that my husband would think I am the kind of person who would ever cheat on him, given that I have never intentionally given him any reason to think I would do something like that or that I was the kind of person who would cheat on their spouse.

There are probably more emotions I would have, but my point to you was that depending on which emotion escaped my body first (i.e. 1 or 3), I could see that perhaps my initial reaction might not be to respond kindly. Over the course of 2 days I would hope I would be able to see things more rationally, but it's possible that even though I love my husband very much and would never want to see him upset or embarrassed and it would break my heart if he thought I would cheat on him, I would also have conflicting negative emotions that might be what comes out of me.


Reaction # 1 is moot - OP clarified that he never let his wife know that he read her texts.

OP - is there a status update?
Anonymous
Anonymous wrote:
Anonymous wrote:
Anonymous wrote:OP here (there was a previous "OP" with a flip response - not me)

wasn't expecting quite the lengthy thread. Thanks for the serious replies.

The irony in all of this is that I brought up this topic to improve our relationship for the long run. Let me explain. I'm not a perfect husband. I've given her the silent treatment on occasions over the years as has she. Our communication in general needs improvement. Maybe some counseling. Recently i've been opening up about various things to mixed/surprised reactions from her. I love her dearly and I believe she loves me. We have our health, awesome kids, financial stability, and generally a great life. I'm not looking to blow it up. On the contrary, I wanted to pull the band aid on something that has been on my mind for quite a while. It may be (and i hope it is) perfectly innocent. Great! But as her husband I want her to know how i've been perceiving all of this.
One pp noted that in a healthy relationship, both spouses have a right to discuss their concerns, suspicions, etc openly. 100% pp. 100%.

To be clear, I did NOT accuse her of any wrong doing and made it very clear to her that I was not doing so when we talked. I stated my observations and thoughts that are a culmination of multiple years of experiences. We're in the midwest, so it could be a cultural thing? (we're both transplants here) I truly don't know if anything has transpired and I may never know. What I do know with near certainty is that others in our neighbor group have noted and they likely noted years ago. I can read a room.

As soon as Ryan's name left my lips I could see her tense up and flush. She wasn't surprised so much about the topic more so than the timing. Why not a few yrs ago during the "gym" years - which could have been construed as inappropriate? She made clear nothing went on between them. Fine. But i've cleared the air and she's upset. I can see from her perspective how insulting this might be. But my feelings are valid too and I don't regret bringing it up. It's been 2 days. I'll give her space and see what she has to say when she's ready.




OP, as a wife with a generally awesome marriage, I can say that if my husband came to me like you did (and I had done nothing with this man), I would probably have the following reactions all at once:
1) Anger/betrayal that you had read my texts. My husband and I know each other's phone passwords and we regularly leave our phones out when we're not around or we use each other's phones if needed, but I would still be upset if my husband went behind my back to read my texts because we have never discussed doing that and have a general notion of respecting each other's privacy.
2) Sadness/sympathy that I had made my husband feel insecure about our marriage and sadness/sympathy that I had done anything to make him think I didn't love him enough to never cheat on him and sadness/sympathy that he had felt embarrassed by things other had said.
3) Offense/astonishment that my husband would think I am the kind of person who would ever cheat on him, given that I have never intentionally given him any reason to think I would do something like that or that I was the kind of person who would cheat on their spouse.

There are probably more emotions I would have, but my point to you was that depending on which emotion escaped my body first (i.e. 1 or 3), I could see that perhaps my initial reaction might not be to respond kindly. Over the course of 2 days I would hope I would be able to see things more rationally, but it's possible that even though I love my husband very much and would never want to see him upset or embarrassed and it would break my heart if he thought I would cheat on him, I would also have conflicting negative emotions that might be what comes out of me.


Reaction # 1 is moot - OP clarified that he never let his wife know that he read her texts.

OP - is there a status update?


Nope and we are still waiting on the "mostly innocent texts" which were not "innocent?" No response from OP.
Anonymous
Anonymous wrote: I don’t know, op, where were you when she was sidling up to this neighbor? Fine if all they did was run together, fine if all they did was chat at neighborhood parties, but why the texting and leaving you out? That would annoy me. I’d also be annoyed if my husband preferred to sit with another woman then with me, to the point that I’d go over and have a seat or my husband and I would not be having a pleasant evening when we got home.
Your problem is you let this go on to long. Your other problem is that you weren’t present enough meaning, you treated your wife well like a wife and not like a beloved partner. Go back to how you treated her when you guys were newly dating and with that mindset nobody can mess up the relationship… unless something is wrong with one of you or one of you didn’t like the other one as much as you might have hoped.
This isn’t keeping an eye on someone it’s letting them and the world know you have a special relationship and that relationship is known and respected by everybody you interact with.
As for the wife giving you the silent treatment, that’s abusive.If that’s what she’s doing I’d call her out on it. I might even say “you like this guy enough to stop speaking to me.. let’s discuss divorce”. Say it without anger and mean what you say, there is nothing wrong with discussing changing the legalities of a relationship. People do it all the time, think marriage and adoption and those are happy conversations if not just conversations. No reason divorce can’t be handled in the same way.


I'm pretty sure you don't actually have a husband.
Anonymous
Anonymous wrote:
Anonymous wrote:
Anonymous wrote:OP here (there was a previous "OP" with a flip response - not me)

wasn't expecting quite the lengthy thread. Thanks for the serious replies.

The irony in all of this is that I brought up this topic to improve our relationship for the long run. Let me explain. I'm not a perfect husband. I've given her the silent treatment on occasions over the years as has she. Our communication in general needs improvement. Maybe some counseling. Recently i've been opening up about various things to mixed/surprised reactions from her. I love her dearly and I believe she loves me. We have our health, awesome kids, financial stability, and generally a great life. I'm not looking to blow it up. On the contrary, I wanted to pull the band aid on something that has been on my mind for quite a while. It may be (and i hope it is) perfectly innocent. Great! But as her husband I want her to know how i've been perceiving all of this.
One pp noted that in a healthy relationship, both spouses have a right to discuss their concerns, suspicions, etc openly. 100% pp. 100%.

To be clear, I did NOT accuse her of any wrong doing and made it very clear to her that I was not doing so when we talked. I stated my observations and thoughts that are a culmination of multiple years of experiences. We're in the midwest, so it could be a cultural thing? (we're both transplants here) I truly don't know if anything has transpired and I may never know. What I do know with near certainty is that others in our neighbor group have noted and they likely noted years ago. I can read a room.

As soon as Ryan's name left my lips I could see her tense up and flush. She wasn't surprised so much about the topic more so than the timing. Why not a few yrs ago during the "gym" years - which could have been construed as inappropriate? She made clear nothing went on between them. Fine. But i've cleared the air and she's upset. I can see from her perspective how insulting this might be. But my feelings are valid too and I don't regret bringing it up. It's been 2 days. I'll give her space and see what she has to say when she's ready.




OP, as a wife with a generally awesome marriage, I can say that if my husband came to me like you did (and I had done nothing with this man), I would probably have the following reactions all at once:
1) Anger/betrayal that you had read my texts. My husband and I know each other's phone passwords and we regularly leave our phones out when we're not around or we use each other's phones if needed, but I would still be upset if my husband went behind my back to read my texts because we have never discussed doing that and have a general notion of respecting each other's privacy.
2) Sadness/sympathy that I had made my husband feel insecure about our marriage and sadness/sympathy that I had done anything to make him think I didn't love him enough to never cheat on him and sadness/sympathy that he had felt embarrassed by things other had said.
3) Offense/astonishment that my husband would think I am the kind of person who would ever cheat on him, given that I have never intentionally given him any reason to think I would do something like that or that I was the kind of person who would cheat on their spouse.

There are probably more emotions I would have, but my point to you was that depending on which emotion escaped my body first (i.e. 1 or 3), I could see that perhaps my initial reaction might not be to respond kindly. Over the course of 2 days I would hope I would be able to see things more rationally, but it's possible that even though I love my husband very much and would never want to see him upset or embarrassed and it would break my heart if he thought I would cheat on him, I would also have conflicting negative emotions that might be what comes out of me.


Reaction # 1 is moot - OP clarified that he never let his wife know that he read her texts.

OP - is there a status update?


When I read OP's post to which I responded he had not stated that he hadn't told her he read his texts.

But so what? Remove #1 and I'd still be offended that my husband thought I would do something as disgusting as cheat on him.
Anonymous
I am not reading through pages of responses, but this is a hard no for me. And frankly, both of them know it.
Anonymous
Anonymous wrote:
Anonymous wrote:
Anonymous wrote:
Anonymous wrote:OP here (there was a previous "OP" with a flip response - not me)

wasn't expecting quite the lengthy thread. Thanks for the serious replies.

The irony in all of this is that I brought up this topic to improve our relationship for the long run. Let me explain. I'm not a perfect husband. I've given her the silent treatment on occasions over the years as has she. Our communication in general needs improvement. Maybe some counseling. Recently i've been opening up about various things to mixed/surprised reactions from her. I love her dearly and I believe she loves me. We have our health, awesome kids, financial stability, and generally a great life. I'm not looking to blow it up. On the contrary, I wanted to pull the band aid on something that has been on my mind for quite a while. It may be (and i hope it is) perfectly innocent. Great! But as her husband I want her to know how i've been perceiving all of this.
One pp noted that in a healthy relationship, both spouses have a right to discuss their concerns, suspicions, etc openly. 100% pp. 100%.

To be clear, I did NOT accuse her of any wrong doing and made it very clear to her that I was not doing so when we talked. I stated my observations and thoughts that are a culmination of multiple years of experiences. We're in the midwest, so it could be a cultural thing? (we're both transplants here) I truly don't know if anything has transpired and I may never know. What I do know with near certainty is that others in our neighbor group have noted and they likely noted years ago. I can read a room.

As soon as Ryan's name left my lips I could see her tense up and flush. She wasn't surprised so much about the topic more so than the timing. Why not a few yrs ago during the "gym" years - which could have been construed as inappropriate? She made clear nothing went on between them. Fine. But i've cleared the air and she's upset. I can see from her perspective how insulting this might be. But my feelings are valid too and I don't regret bringing it up. It's been 2 days. I'll give her space and see what she has to say when she's ready.




OP, as a wife with a generally awesome marriage, I can say that if my husband came to me like you did (and I had done nothing with this man), I would probably have the following reactions all at once:
1) Anger/betrayal that you had read my texts. My husband and I know each other's phone passwords and we regularly leave our phones out when we're not around or we use each other's phones if needed, but I would still be upset if my husband went behind my back to read my texts because we have never discussed doing that and have a general notion of respecting each other's privacy.
2) Sadness/sympathy that I had made my husband feel insecure about our marriage and sadness/sympathy that I had done anything to make him think I didn't love him enough to never cheat on him and sadness/sympathy that he had felt embarrassed by things other had said.
3) Offense/astonishment that my husband would think I am the kind of person who would ever cheat on him, given that I have never intentionally given him any reason to think I would do something like that or that I was the kind of person who would cheat on their spouse.

There are probably more emotions I would have, but my point to you was that depending on which emotion escaped my body first (i.e. 1 or 3), I could see that perhaps my initial reaction might not be to respond kindly. Over the course of 2 days I would hope I would be able to see things more rationally, but it's possible that even though I love my husband very much and would never want to see him upset or embarrassed and it would break my heart if he thought I would cheat on him, I would also have conflicting negative emotions that might be what comes out of me.


Reaction # 1 is moot - OP clarified that he never let his wife know that he read her texts.

OP - is there a status update?


When I read OP's post to which I responded he had not stated that he hadn't told her he read his texts.

But so what? Remove #1 and I'd still be offended that my husband thought I would do something as disgusting as cheat on him.


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