Anonymous wrote:Wake didn’t suddenly get “worse”. The variables changed. The school spent the past close to 30 years between 25 and 30 on the USNWR list. Small class sizes and not being taught by TAs are pretty important factors for many prospective students/families.
Then why did only like 3 schools see such dramatic falls? I think out of the top 100, the three that dropped the most were Wake, Tulane and W&M.
Are you telling us those are the only three schools that fit this criteria?
Not sure what you are talking about, nearly every private school moved down and nearly every public university went up.The new criteria favors large schools and schools with the most economic and ethnic diversity. Wake is neither of those things. And frankly, most people don’t think school quality depends on how many pell grant or first gen kids you have and their particular outcomes, but it is a huge factor in the current rankings.
Hmm…Emory, most Ivy schools, Stanford, JHU…didn’t go anywhere or went up.
Tulane was notorious for playing the rankings on the way up…now you are supposed to ignore the rankings on the way down?
Is playing the rankings in this case accepting only people from the top of their HS class, keeping class sizes small, and having alumni love the school and giving money? Hiring teachers with the highest degree in their field? Ok, please “play”…
You don’t think Ivy and legitimately top schools don’t have alumni giving, the absolute top kids in the class and top professors?
Let’s get real…I would say Tulane is where Ivy rejects go, but that offends Ivy rejects.
Dartmouth dropped 6 places to #18. Many of these other schools have a lot of research happening with graduate students teaching classes and a lot more Pell grant recipients. If this ranking makes you feel great about Emory, which is a grim school to attend and is highly unrepresented outside of the Atlanta/Charlotte area, then enjoy!
I know several Emory grads that loved their time there and work in NYC. How could it be grim?
There are probably too many kids from the Northeast (one might argue) at Emory.
Dp, just a low energy campus. On our tour, the tour guide said that everyone was proud of their nerdiness and highlight of week was the food truck day. GA Tech, which we visited same day, looked buzzing in comparison, which is really saying something . Lots of tik tok/youtube videos with unhappy current attendees. That said, there must be at least a few kids having fun, and the campus is pretty.
GA Tech is much larger at 18,500 students on 400 acres vs 5500 (at the Atlanta campus) on 630 acres for Emory.
There is something to be said for a more compact campus giving a higher energy vibe.
Perhaps, but we were on the main quad, student center, and freshman dorms at Emory. If there was energy on campus, this is where you’d expect to see it,
Emory also has one of the highest rates of international students, exceeding 20 percent of the class some years. Thus is not a plus imo.
Sounds Xenophobic. Your DC would have an easy time getting into Gatech anyway.
This Emory booster must work in their PR department. It takes a very certain person to like Emory (nursing, medical?, science) with no real sports teams or real greek life. It's a great school for a certain kid, but not the same kids who would like Duke, Vanderbilt, Wake, Tulane, UNC, UVA, etc...Much more like a Tufts/Chicago-type.
Emory had a bunch of large, standalone fraternity houses. I was surprised that at Wake and Clemson the fraternities were just given areas in dorms. I had never seen that at a college before. Are the "cool" fraternities independent and located campus-adjacent (I think there was one Clemson fraternity like this).
Anonymous wrote:I can’t believe there are 8 pages dissecting and debating differences among these 3 colleges .
I like all 3 schools. Imo Wake is most different given the very small town its in which leads to insular campus life (a big positive if your kid is into the close knit, spirited gung ho vibe, a big negative if your kid doesn’t want frat parties to dominate the social scene and to live in a bubble).
Kids have excellent outcomes from all 3. Let them pick which they like best!
Winston Salem is not a major city like New Orleans or Atlanta, but it is hardly a small town. It has a population over 250,000, which makes it bigger than Richmond. There are plenty of bars and restaurants that students go to, some closer to campus and some downtown.
Anonymous wrote:Wake didn’t suddenly get “worse”. The variables changed. The school spent the past close to 30 years between 25 and 30 on the USNWR list. Small class sizes and not being taught by TAs are pretty important factors for many prospective students/families.
Then why did only like 3 schools see such dramatic falls? I think out of the top 100, the three that dropped the most were Wake, Tulane and W&M.
Are you telling us those are the only three schools that fit this criteria?
Not sure what you are talking about, nearly every private school moved down and nearly every public university went up.The new criteria favors large schools and schools with the most economic and ethnic diversity. Wake is neither of those things. And frankly, most people don’t think school quality depends on how many pell grant or first gen kids you have and their particular outcomes, but it is a huge factor in the current rankings.
Hmm…Emory, most Ivy schools, Stanford, JHU…didn’t go anywhere or went up.
Tulane was notorious for playing the rankings on the way up…now you are supposed to ignore the rankings on the way down?
Is playing the rankings in this case accepting only people from the top of their HS class, keeping class sizes small, and having alumni love the school and giving money? Hiring teachers with the highest degree in their field? Ok, please “play”…
You don’t think Ivy and legitimately top schools don’t have alumni giving, the absolute top kids in the class and top professors?
Let’s get real…I would say Tulane is where Ivy rejects go, but that offends Ivy rejects.
Dartmouth dropped 6 places to #18. Many of these other schools have a lot of research happening with graduate students teaching classes and a lot more Pell grant recipients. If this ranking makes you feel great about Emory, which is a grim school to attend and is highly unrepresented outside of the Atlanta/Charlotte area, then enjoy!
I know several Emory grads that loved their time there and work in NYC. How could it be grim?
There are probably too many kids from the Northeast (one might argue) at Emory.
Dp, just a low energy campus. On our tour, the tour guide said that everyone was proud of their nerdiness and highlight of week was the food truck day. GA Tech, which we visited same day, looked buzzing in comparison, which is really saying something . Lots of tik tok/youtube videos with unhappy current attendees. That said, there must be at least a few kids having fun, and the campus is pretty.
GA Tech is much larger at 18,500 students on 400 acres vs 5500 (at the Atlanta campus) on 630 acres for Emory.
There is something to be said for a more compact campus giving a higher energy vibe.
Perhaps, but we were on the main quad, student center, and freshman dorms at Emory. If there was energy on campus, this is where you’d expect to see it,
Emory also has one of the highest rates of international students, exceeding 20 percent of the class some years. Thus is not a plus imo.
Sounds Xenophobic. Your DC would have an easy time getting into Gatech anyway.
This Emory booster must work in their PR department. It takes a very certain person to like Emory (nursing, medical?, science) with no real sports teams or real greek life. It's a great school for a certain kid, but not the same kids who would like Duke, Vanderbilt, Wake, Tulane, UNC, UVA, etc...Much more like a Tufts/Chicago-type.
Emory had a bunch of large, standalone fraternity houses. I was surprised that at Wake and Clemson the fraternities were just given areas in dorms. I had never seen that at a college before. Are the "cool" fraternities independent and located campus-adjacent (I think there was one Clemson fraternity like this).
Anonymous wrote:Wake didn’t suddenly get “worse”. The variables changed. The school spent the past close to 30 years between 25 and 30 on the USNWR list. Small class sizes and not being taught by TAs are pretty important factors for many prospective students/families.
Then why did only like 3 schools see such dramatic falls? I think out of the top 100, the three that dropped the most were Wake, Tulane and W&M.
Are you telling us those are the only three schools that fit this criteria?
Not sure what you are talking about, nearly every private school moved down and nearly every public university went up.The new criteria favors large schools and schools with the most economic and ethnic diversity. Wake is neither of those things. And frankly, most people don’t think school quality depends on how many pell grant or first gen kids you have and their particular outcomes, but it is a huge factor in the current rankings.
Hmm…Emory, most Ivy schools, Stanford, JHU…didn’t go anywhere or went up.
Tulane was notorious for playing the rankings on the way up…now you are supposed to ignore the rankings on the way down?
Is playing the rankings in this case accepting only people from the top of their HS class, keeping class sizes small, and having alumni love the school and giving money? Hiring teachers with the highest degree in their field? Ok, please “play”…
You don’t think Ivy and legitimately top schools don’t have alumni giving, the absolute top kids in the class and top professors?
Let’s get real…I would say Tulane is where Ivy rejects go, but that offends Ivy rejects.
Dartmouth dropped 6 places to #18. Many of these other schools have a lot of research happening with graduate students teaching classes and a lot more Pell grant recipients. If this ranking makes you feel great about Emory, which is a grim school to attend and is highly unrepresented outside of the Atlanta/Charlotte area, then enjoy!
I know several Emory grads that loved their time there and work in NYC. How could it be grim?
There are probably too many kids from the Northeast (one might argue) at Emory.
Dp, just a low energy campus. On our tour, the tour guide said that everyone was proud of their nerdiness and highlight of week was the food truck day. GA Tech, which we visited same day, looked buzzing in comparison, which is really saying something . Lots of tik tok/youtube videos with unhappy current attendees. That said, there must be at least a few kids having fun, and the campus is pretty.
GA Tech is much larger at 18,500 students on 400 acres vs 5500 (at the Atlanta campus) on 630 acres for Emory.
There is something to be said for a more compact campus giving a higher energy vibe.
Perhaps, but we were on the main quad, student center, and freshman dorms at Emory. If there was energy on campus, this is where you’d expect to see it,
Emory also has one of the highest rates of international students, exceeding 20 percent of the class some years. Thus is not a plus imo.
Sounds Xenophobic. Your DC would have an easy time getting into Gatech anyway.
This Emory booster must work in their PR department. It takes a very certain person to like Emory (nursing, medical?, science) with no real sports teams or real greek life. It's a great school for a certain kid, but not the same kids who would like Duke, Vanderbilt, Wake, Tulane, UNC, UVA, etc...Much more like a Tufts/Chicago-type.
Emory had a bunch of large, standalone fraternity houses. I was surprised that at Wake and Clemson the fraternities were just given areas in dorms. I had never seen that at a college before. Are the "cool" fraternities independent and located campus-adjacent (I think there was one Clemson fraternity like this).
Anonymous wrote:I can’t believe there are 8 pages dissecting and debating differences among these 3 colleges .
I like all 3 schools. Imo Wake is most different given the very small town its in which leads to insular campus life (a big positive if your kid is into the close knit, spirited gung ho vibe, a big negative if your kid doesn’t want frat parties to dominate the social scene and to live in a bubble).
Kids have excellent outcomes from all 3. Let them pick which they like best!
Winston Salem is not a major city like New Orleans or Atlanta, but it is hardly a small town. It has a population over 250,000, which makes it bigger than Richmond. There are plenty of bars and restaurants that students go to, some closer to campus and some downtown.
Anonymous wrote:I can’t believe there are 8 pages dissecting and debating differences among these 3 colleges .
I like all 3 schools. Imo Wake is most different given the very small town its in which leads to insular campus life (a big positive if your kid is into the close knit, spirited gung ho vibe, a big negative if your kid doesn’t want frat parties to dominate the social scene and to live in a bubble).
Kids have excellent outcomes from all 3. Let them pick which they like best!
Winston Salem is not a major city like New Orleans or Atlanta, but it is hardly a small town. It has a population over 250,000, which makes it bigger than Richmond. There are plenty of bars and restaurants that students go to, some closer to campus and some downtown.
What’s the metro population? Seemed very dull compared to Richmond.
Anonymous wrote:I can’t believe there are 8 pages dissecting and debating differences among these 3 colleges .
I like all 3 schools. Imo Wake is most different given the very small town its in which leads to insular campus life (a big positive if your kid is into the close knit, spirited gung ho vibe, a big negative if your kid doesn’t want frat parties to dominate the social scene and to live in a bubble).
Kids have excellent outcomes from all 3. Let them pick which they like best!
Winston Salem is not a major city like New Orleans or Atlanta, but it is hardly a small town. It has a population over 250,000, which makes it bigger than Richmond. There are plenty of bars and restaurants that students go to, some closer to campus and some downtown.
What’s the metro population? Seemed very dull compared to Richmond.
1.7M for WS/HP/GB metro, and it’s between Charlotte and Raleigh/Durham metros.
Anonymous wrote:I can’t believe there are 8 pages dissecting and debating differences among these 3 colleges .
I like all 3 schools. Imo Wake is most different given the very small town its in which leads to insular campus life (a big positive if your kid is into the close knit, spirited gung ho vibe, a big negative if your kid doesn’t want frat parties to dominate the social scene and to live in a bubble).
Kids have excellent outcomes from all 3. Let them pick which they like best!
Violent protests on Emory campus today. This would not happen at Wake or Tulane. These schools are NOT similar.
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