Throw all the right wing bums out. |
Ha ha. Irony there -- YOU are talking to different people, as well. Didn't recognize that, did you? I never suggested counselling at all. All I've noted is that if someone (and I acknowledged might not have been you, mind) wants to criticize women for making poor choices, there is always someone else just as culpable there. |
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wow.. once again, I'd hate to be pregnant and living in those red states that are so backwards. My DH loves me too much to risk my life and live in those states. I think he'd say we should move. Sad that those women's husbands don't seem to love their wives that much. |
Omfg. This thread is about pregnant women being denied health care. |
So let's not insinuate they're in that position for making bad choices, right? Crass move. |
You really don't understand what this thread is about. |
I understand you (or another PP) are shifting blame solely onto the women who get trapped in the current political situation. You shouldn't do that. |
Good grief. Anything to change the subject from the fact that forced birther politics are universally damaging to women’s healthcare, full stop. It’s not about life, it’s damaging to women. |
pretty short sighted response many rural areas of the US are losing OB services (this is BESIDES obs leaving states with restrictive abortion laws) but leaving people with much longer distance to reach hospitals with more comprehensive services. Who knows if the woman had even had prenatal care of any significance? Hospitals without OB services have been and are found in violation if they do not provide medical screening and, if needed, stabilization. It is their job to arrange transport via ambulance if patient needs medical services they can't provide. |
fwiw Roe v Wade wasn't decided until 1973. NY legalized abortion in 1970, I don't know of any other state that did. But it may have been a little easier for doctors to perform therapeutic abortions, at least for people who had the means. They trained docs how to perform abortions back then, plus since pregnancy couldn't be diagnosed as early then, they could do a D&C without officially knowing why someone's period was late. I doubt illegality of abortion had anything to do with doctor shortages before Roe v Wade though. |
Before Roe v Wade, there were septic wards to treat women in sepsis from home or back-alley illegal abortions. 1. BuzzFeed, but from a doctor who was in medical school in 1972: https://www.buzzfeednews.com/article/allanweiland/i-saw-the-horrors-of-the-pre-roe-era Opinion: I Saw The Horrors Of The Pre-Roe Era. Let's Never Go Back 2. PBS: https://www.pbs.org/newshour/health/how-abortion-bans-will-likely-lead-to-more-deadly-infections How abortion bans will likely lead to more deadly infections Doctors were trained on how to recognize this, but there was often a bit of don't-ask-don't-tell. And as you point out, there was not the ability to do more elaborate screenings to tell exactly what was going on. Interestingly, some of the strongest proponents for safe and legal abortions were clergy and other religious leaders, including rabbis: NPR: https://www.npr.org/2017/05/19/529175737/50-years-ago-a-network-of-clergy-helped-women-seeking-abortion 50 Years Ago, A Network Of Clergy Helped Women Seeking Abortion |
My mother got pregnant in 1962 and about 4-5 months into her very wanted pregnancy she found out that she had cancer. The doctors performed an abortion sometime in her second trimester and it was heartbreaking for her and my dad. She went through chemo and was allowed to get pregnant with me. Obviously the chemo she had did not affect her fertility. Unfortunately, the cancer came back and she died in 1974.
My dad always told me this story in a very matter of fact manner. There was never any mention of difficulties with obtaining an abortion. She was in Chicago, so I have no idea whether it was more difficult in other areas of the country. Without abortion, I would not exist. I'm so f-ing tired of these forced-birthers. |
It definitely was more difficult other places. Chicago was the birthplace of the Jane Collective and a "hub" for abortion (like NYC) pre-Roe. |