Pregnant women are being turned away from anti-abortion state ERs

[Anonymous]

Other med students are starting to connect some dots…
So what if I’m not an OBGYN? If I’m the only doctor in the ER and a hemorrhaging woman, 6 months pregnant comes in….am I on the hook?
Well federal law protect me? Is it malpractice if I don’t treat her?
Will I be suspended while an investigation is pending? Who will pay my legal fees?

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:I don't understand how this case is at all related to anything "anti-abortion:"

Consider what happened to a woman who was nine months pregnant and having contractions when she arrived at the Falls Community Hospital in Marlin, Texas, in July 2022, a week after the Supreme Court’s ruling on abortion. The doctor on duty refused to see her.

“The physician came to the triage desk and told the patient that we did not have obstetric services or capabilities,” hospital staff told federal investigators during interviews, according to documents. “The nursing staff informed the physician that we could test her for the presence of amniotic fluid. However, the physician adamantly recommended the patient drive to a Waco hospital.”

Waco hospital is just over 30 minutes from Falls Community.
I am wondering why a 9 month pregnant woman would go to a hospital that does not have OB services. Did she not have any prenatal care and know what hospital she was scheduled to deliver at? I would never dream of showing up at a hospital with no OB services and expect them to deliver a baby.

Police officers and EMTs deliver babies on the side of the road. A hospital can't handle doing this? Give me a break.

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:I don't understand how this case is at all related to anything "anti-abortion:"

Consider what happened to a woman who was nine months pregnant and having contractions when she arrived at the Falls Community Hospital in Marlin, Texas, in July 2022, a week after the Supreme Court’s ruling on abortion. The doctor on duty refused to see her.

“The physician came to the triage desk and told the patient that we did not have obstetric services or capabilities,” hospital staff told federal investigators during interviews, according to documents. “The nursing staff informed the physician that we could test her for the presence of amniotic fluid. However, the physician adamantly recommended the patient drive to a Waco hospital.”

Waco hospital is just over 30 minutes from Falls Community.
I am wondering why a 9 month pregnant woman would go to a hospital that does not have OB services. Did she not have any prenatal care and know what hospital she was scheduled to deliver at? I would never dream of showing up at a hospital with no OB services and expect them to deliver a baby.

What if you don’t have a car? Once you’re in active labor, it might be harder to take several buses and walk half a mile, like you would if you weren’t having contractions.

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:I don't understand how this case is at all related to anything "anti-abortion:"

Consider what happened to a woman who was nine months pregnant and having contractions when she arrived at the Falls Community Hospital in Marlin, Texas, in July 2022, a week after the Supreme Court’s ruling on abortion. The doctor on duty refused to see her.

“The physician came to the triage desk and told the patient that we did not have obstetric services or capabilities,” hospital staff told federal investigators during interviews, according to documents. “The nursing staff informed the physician that we could test her for the presence of amniotic fluid. However, the physician adamantly recommended the patient drive to a Waco hospital.”

Waco hospital is just over 30 minutes from Falls Community.
I am wondering why a 9 month pregnant woman would go to a hospital that does not have OB services. Did she not have any prenatal care and know what hospital she was scheduled to deliver at? I would never dream of showing up at a hospital with no OB services and expect them to deliver a baby.

Police officers and EMTs deliver babies on the side of the road. A hospital can't handle doing this? Give me a break.

It’s about insurance and liability. The system is the system.

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:I don't understand how this case is at all related to anything "anti-abortion:"

Consider what happened to a woman who was nine months pregnant and having contractions when she arrived at the Falls Community Hospital in Marlin, Texas, in July 2022, a week after the Supreme Court’s ruling on abortion. The doctor on duty refused to see her.

“The physician came to the triage desk and told the patient that we did not have obstetric services or capabilities,” hospital staff told federal investigators during interviews, according to documents. “The nursing staff informed the physician that we could test her for the presence of amniotic fluid. However, the physician adamantly recommended the patient drive to a Waco hospital.”

Waco hospital is just over 30 minutes from Falls Community.
I am wondering why a 9 month pregnant woman would go to a hospital that does not have OB services. Did she not have any prenatal care and know what hospital she was scheduled to deliver at? I would never dream of showing up at a hospital with no OB services and expect them to deliver a baby.

What if you don’t have a car? Once you’re in active labor, it might be harder to take several buses and walk half a mile, like you would if you weren’t having contractions.

The PP is just showing how out of touch they are with working Americans. Assume every one has someone who can jump in a car and a woman in labor 30 min. Because a woman in labor should NOT be driving 30 min.

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:I don't understand how this case is at all related to anything "anti-abortion:"

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Of course you don’t understand; your whole world view of forced birth hinges on not understanding (and being devoid of empathy “I would never go to a hospital that didn’t have labor and delivery”), and so you hurriedly scanned the article and grabbed the first example you thought you could pick apart. In doing so you permitted yourself the ability to ignore this example:

Anonymous wrote: Meanwhile, the staff at Person Memorial Hospital in Roxboro, North Carolina, told a pregnant woman, who was complaining of stomach pain, that they would not be able to provide her with an ultrasound. The staff failed to tell her how risky it could be for her to depart without being stabilized, according to federal investigators. While en route to another hospital 45 minutes away, the woman gave birth in a car to a baby who did not survive.

And this one:

Anonymous wrote: At Sacred Heart Emergency Center in Houston, front desk staff refused to check in one woman after her husband asked for help delivering her baby that September. She miscarried in a restroom toilet in the emergency room lobby while her husband called 911 for help.

And you for sure blipped over this:

Anonymous wrote: All patients, including women who are experiencing pregnancy-related emergencies, should have access to emergency medical care required under the Emergency Medical Treatment and Labor Act.”

But women can’t access this care in forced birther states because doctors can’t put their licenses on the line.

Forced birthers love them some egregious crimes against women’s bodies and spirits and they seem to get excited by the deaths their policies are causing.

[Anonymous]

This is what anti abortion, anti women's health care states signed up for. Their voters should do better if they want better.

Afraid it will only happen when enough women lose wanted babies or unexpectedly die during pregnancy or childbirth.

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:I don't understand how this case is at all related to anything "anti-abortion:"

Consider what happened to a woman who was nine months pregnant and having contractions when she arrived at the Falls Community Hospital in Marlin, Texas, in July 2022, a week after the Supreme Court’s ruling on abortion. The doctor on duty refused to see her.

“The physician came to the triage desk and told the patient that we did not have obstetric services or capabilities,” hospital staff told federal investigators during interviews, according to documents. “The nursing staff informed the physician that we could test her for the presence of amniotic fluid. However, the physician adamantly recommended the patient drive to a Waco hospital.”

Waco hospital is just over 30 minutes from Falls Community.
I am wondering why a 9 month pregnant woman would go to a hospital that does not have OB services. Did she not have any prenatal care and know what hospital she was scheduled to deliver at? I would never dream of showing up at a hospital with no OB services and expect them to deliver a baby.

What if you don’t have a car? Once you’re in active labor, it might be harder to take several buses and walk half a mile, like you would if you weren’t having contractions.

What if it’s not your first baby and you have a history of precipitous labor? What if you’re just a human who still likes to believe that hospitals represent safety and treatment? What if it had been a transfer from a home birth?

What if forced birthers redirected even half the weird energy they expend on punishing women and making the world worse into instead working to improve the world?

[Anonymous]

Another "unintended consequence" of forced-birthers: some of these hospitals are dropping medicare so as to no run foul of the EMTALA. What group uses medicare? Seniors, who tend to vote R.

Good going, Rs. Way to shoot yourselves in the foot.

Elections have consequences.

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:..and those women are miscarrying

Unintended consequences of "pro-life" policies. The "forced birthers" are causing forced birth of dead babies.

Pregnant patients have “become radioactive to emergency departments” in states with extreme abortion restrictions, said Sara Rosenbaum, a George Washington University health law and policy professor.

“They are so scared of a pregnant patient, that the emergency medicine staff won’t even look. They just want these people gone," Rosenbaum said.

https://www.yahoo.com/news/emergency-rooms-refused-treat-pregnant-040150594.html

That seems to violate federal law. Why is it that forced birthers have no problem going after hospitals, but prochoice advocates are cowards?

https://www.cms.gov/medicare/regulations-guidance/legislation/emergency-medical-treatment-labor-act

Did you read the article? It’s based entirely on investigative reports from CMS finding violations of federal law.

Those red states are trying to weaken federal laws protecting patients . From the article:

Federal law requires emergency rooms to treat or stabilize patients who are in active labor and provide a medical transfer to another hospital if they don’t have the staff or resources to treat them. Medical facilities must comply with the law if they accept Medicare funding.

The Supreme Court will hear arguments Wednesday that could weaken those protections. The Biden administration has sued Idaho over its abortion ban, even in medical emergencies, arguing it conflicts with the federal law.

This is Idaho's stance:

But the state's attorney general has argued that its abortion ban is “consistent” with federal law, which calls for emergency rooms to protect an unborn child in medical emergencies.

"The Biden administration has no business rewriting federal law to override Idaho’s law and force doctors to perform abortions,” Idaho Attorney General Raúl Labrador said in a statement earlier this year.

Is the mother not the patient?

I'm no lawyer, but that argument doesn't seem to address the federal law that's been there since before the overturning of rvw, and it doesn't seem to address the requirement that no hospital receiving federal funding turn away a patient, or at the least, provide transport to another hospital that can help the patient.

Can some smart lawyer explain Idaho's argument here?

[Anonymous]

If I were pregnant living in one of those backward states, I'd be super scared. I wouldn't even go visit those states when pregnant in fear of needing urgent medical care and being turned away.

[Anonymous]

As if maternal death rates weren’t high enough

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:I don't understand how this case is at all related to anything "anti-abortion:"

Consider what happened to a woman who was nine months pregnant and having contractions when she arrived at the Falls Community Hospital in Marlin, Texas, in July 2022, a week after the Supreme Court’s ruling on abortion. The doctor on duty refused to see her.

“The physician came to the triage desk and told the patient that we did not have obstetric services or capabilities,” hospital staff told federal investigators during interviews, according to documents. “The nursing staff informed the physician that we could test her for the presence of amniotic fluid. However, the physician adamantly recommended the patient drive to a Waco hospital.”

Waco hospital is just over 30 minutes from Falls Community.
I am wondering why a 9 month pregnant woman would go to a hospital that does not have OB services. Did she not have any prenatal care and know what hospital she was scheduled to deliver at? I would never dream of showing up at a hospital with no OB services and expect them to deliver a baby.

Police officers and EMTs deliver babies on the side of the road. A hospital can't handle doing this? Give me a break.

Childbirth is straightforward until it isn't, and there sometimes isn't much warning for that. If bad outcomes happen on the side of a road with a police officer, it's "bad luck" and "at least everyone tried." If it's within a hospital doors, it's "this is a hospital" and "weren't you trained in medical school to deliver babies?" Doesn't matter if that was 20 years ago, and this is a septic woman with an infant stuck in the canal, heart decelling, and no forceps.

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:I don't understand how this case is at all related to anything "anti-abortion:"

Consider what happened to a woman who was nine months pregnant and having contractions when she arrived at the Falls Community Hospital in Marlin, Texas, in July 2022, a week after the Supreme Court’s ruling on abortion. The doctor on duty refused to see her.

“The physician came to the triage desk and told the patient that we did not have obstetric services or capabilities,” hospital staff told federal investigators during interviews, according to documents. “The nursing staff informed the physician that we could test her for the presence of amniotic fluid. However, the physician adamantly recommended the patient drive to a Waco hospital.”

Waco hospital is just over 30 minutes from Falls Community.
I am wondering why a 9 month pregnant woman would go to a hospital that does not have OB services. Did she not have any prenatal care and know what hospital she was scheduled to deliver at? I would never dream of showing up at a hospital with no OB services and expect them to deliver a baby.

Police officers and EMTs deliver babies on the side of the road. A hospital can't handle doing this? Give me a break.

Childbirth is straightforward until it isn't, and there sometimes isn't much warning for that. If bad outcomes happen on the side of a road with a police officer, it's "bad luck" and "at least everyone tried." If it's within a hospital doors, it's "this is a hospital" and "weren't you trained in medical school to deliver babies?" Doesn't matter if that was 20 years ago, and this is a septic woman with an infant stuck in the canal, heart decelling, and no forceps.

What does this have to do with hospitals turning pregnant women away even when they do provide labor and delivery and not transporting women when they do not provide labor and delivery? All I see here I a forced birther trying to change the story.

But the story is: forced birther “medical care” is inferior in all aspects and it’s killing women, infants and soon every patient in forced birther states as they lose doctors and medical coverage.

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:I don't understand how this case is at all related to anything "anti-abortion:"

Consider what happened to a woman who was nine months pregnant and having contractions when she arrived at the Falls Community Hospital in Marlin, Texas, in July 2022, a week after the Supreme Court’s ruling on abortion. The doctor on duty refused to see her.

“The physician came to the triage desk and told the patient that we did not have obstetric services or capabilities,” hospital staff told federal investigators during interviews, according to documents. “The nursing staff informed the physician that we could test her for the presence of amniotic fluid. However, the physician adamantly recommended the patient drive to a Waco hospital.”

Waco hospital is just over 30 minutes from Falls Community.
I am wondering why a 9 month pregnant woman would go to a hospital that does not have OB services. Did she not have any prenatal care and know what hospital she was scheduled to deliver at? I would never dream of showing up at a hospital with no OB services and expect them to deliver a baby.

Police officers and EMTs deliver babies on the side of the road. A hospital can't handle doing this? Give me a break.

Childbirth is straightforward until it isn't, and there sometimes isn't much warning for that. If bad outcomes happen on the side of a road with a police officer, it's "bad luck" and "at least everyone tried." If it's within a hospital doors, it's "this is a hospital" and "weren't you trained in medical school to deliver babies?" Doesn't matter if that was 20 years ago, and this is a septic woman with an infant stuck in the canal, heart decelling, and no forceps.

What does this have to do with hospitals turning pregnant women away even when they do provide labor and delivery and not transporting women when they do not provide labor and delivery? All I see here I a forced birther trying to change the story.

But the story is: forced birther “medical care” is inferior in all aspects and it’s killing women, infants and soon every patient in forced birther states as they lose doctors and medical coverage.