Gaza War, Part 3

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Anonymous wrote:The sadism of Hamas is what I can't get out of my head....

As opposed to bombing and then forced starvation by Israel of thousands of little kids and babies? I am really stunned by the ability of pot-Israelis to shrug off the suffering of tens of thousands of Palestinian children and the mental gymnastics of blaming the suffering on Hamas, as if Hamas made strategic decisions for the IDF and Netanyahu.

Hamas could return all hostages, living or dead. Yes, they are sadistic to prolong this.

Starving 2 million people, including 1 million children, to punish 20,000 is to you an ironic phrase, beyond the pale.

? I don't understand your point. Hamas has the option to end this. You are reaffirming that they are sadists. Do you deny that they are holding Israeli hostages, many women, and extending this conflict? They had apparently had detente before. Why not now?

It's not a very difficult concept.

It's not a difficult concept to understand that Hamas could end the starvation tomorrow by capitulating and standing down. Hamas has nothing to gain by continuing its fight and is only doing more and more damage to the Palestinian people for every hour that they cling to their delusional positions.

Sorry, no one else in the world agrees with this position. Not even the US anymore. Israel is choosing this barbaric strategy. Israel can choose not to use Palestinian babies as sacrificial lambs, instead Israel has chosen a path that is as morally bankrupt as Hamas.

No one else in the world agrees that Hamas needs to stand down? No one else in the world agrees that Hamas standing down would be progress and a barrier cleared toward helping the Palestinian people avoid famine?

What world is that, exactly? The only world that this would be true in is the Hamas world.

You are obtuse. Everyone civilized agrees that Hamas should return the hostages. Everyone civilized also agrees that Israel's strategy of bringing a famine upon innocent Palestinian children is barbaric. Intelligent people are capable of holding these two positions are once.

Let the women and children out to Egypt and Jordan and other Muslim countries! Oh, that's right NO ONE wants to actually help them . Hamas won't let them go because then the human shields would be gone. So if you really cared about the Palestinian children, then advocate for that first step.

Let the women and children on both sides go. Release the hostages and let people out so that they can receive the aid that is getting stolen everyday.

Palestinians have a right to stay in Gaza. Israel is barbaric in starving innocent children. Israel has agency. Don't be pointing your fingers at everyone else.

That's correct, Israel has Agency to protect themselves from a group of people who have told the world numerous times that they will repeat Oct 7 over and over.

Yes, Israel is protecting itself from infants by starving them to death.

Sorry, you don't even make sense. If Hamas leaders says they are going to repeat Oct 7 over and over and over until Jews are all dead, what do infants have to do with that? A country's government has to take those threats seriously and protect their people.

If you want to help the Palestinian infants, get them out of their war torn country for now. It happens all the time:
war-->refugees--->helpful countries who take them in-->war ends-->people go back.
Don't use infants as shields and martyrs for your cause. Just let the hostage women and children go, and get the women an children away from Hamas where they will get hurt.

Agree with previous poster that the Hamas men seem well fed.

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https://www.washingtonpost.com/world/2024/03/22/israel-largest-west-bank-settlement-blinken-visit/

It's almost like Israel wants the rest of the world to hate them

+1. It's like Israel can't help itself. Tragedy, really.

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Anonymous wrote:The sadism of Hamas is what I can't get out of my head....

As opposed to bombing and then forced starvation by Israel of thousands of little kids and babies? I am really stunned by the ability of pot-Israelis to shrug off the suffering of tens of thousands of Palestinian children and the mental gymnastics of blaming the suffering on Hamas, as if Hamas made strategic decisions for the IDF and Netanyahu.

Hamas could return all hostages, living or dead. Yes, they are sadistic to prolong this.

Starving 2 million people, including 1 million children, to punish 20,000 is to you an ironic phrase, beyond the pale.

? I don't understand your point. Hamas has the option to end this. You are reaffirming that they are sadists. Do you deny that they are holding Israeli hostages, many women, and extending this conflict? They had apparently had detente before. Why not now?

It's not a very difficult concept.

It's not a difficult concept to understand that Hamas could end the starvation tomorrow by capitulating and standing down. Hamas has nothing to gain by continuing its fight and is only doing more and more damage to the Palestinian people for every hour that they cling to their delusional positions.

Sorry, no one else in the world agrees with this position. Not even the US anymore. Israel is choosing this barbaric strategy. Israel can choose not to use Palestinian babies as sacrificial lambs, instead Israel has chosen a path that is as morally bankrupt as Hamas.

No one else in the world agrees that Hamas needs to stand down? No one else in the world agrees that Hamas standing down would be progress and a barrier cleared toward helping the Palestinian people avoid famine?

What world is that, exactly? The only world that this would be true in is the Hamas world.

You are obtuse. Everyone civilized agrees that Hamas should return the hostages. Everyone civilized also agrees that Israel's strategy of bringing a famine upon innocent Palestinian children is barbaric. Intelligent people are capable of holding these two positions are once.

Let the women and children out to Egypt and Jordan and other Muslim countries! Oh, that's right NO ONE wants to actually help them . Hamas won't let them go because then the human shields would be gone. So if you really cared about the Palestinian children, then advocate for that first step.

Let the women and children on both sides go. Release the hostages and let people out so that they can receive the aid that is getting stolen everyday.

Palestinians have a right to stay in Gaza. Israel is barbaric in starving innocent children. Israel has agency. Don't be pointing your fingers at everyone else.

That's correct, Israel has Agency to protect themselves from a group of people who have told the world numerous times that they will repeat Oct 7 over and over.

Yes, Israel is protecting itself from infants by starving them to death.

Sorry, you don't even make sense. If Hamas leaders says they are going to repeat Oct 7 over and over and over until Jews are all dead, what do infants have to do with that? A country's government has to take those threats seriously and protect their people.

If you want to help the Palestinian infants, get them out of their war torn country for now. It happens all the time:
war-->refugees--->helpful countries who take them in-->war ends-->people go back.
Don't use infants as shields and martyrs for your cause. Just let the hostage women and children go, and get the women an children away from Hamas where they will get hurt.

Agree with previous poster that the Hamas men seem well fed.

Good points. And with Israel's stellar track record allowing indigenous people to return following conflict and forced displacement, I'm sincerely surprised why more people are not heralding your great idea!

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Anonymous wrote:The sadism of Hamas is what I can't get out of my head....

As opposed to bombing and then forced starvation by Israel of thousands of little kids and babies? I am really stunned by the ability of pot-Israelis to shrug off the suffering of tens of thousands of Palestinian children and the mental gymnastics of blaming the suffering on Hamas, as if Hamas made strategic decisions for the IDF and Netanyahu.

Hamas could return all hostages, living or dead. Yes, they are sadistic to prolong this.

Starving 2 million people, including 1 million children, to punish 20,000 is to you an ironic phrase, beyond the pale.

? I don't understand your point. Hamas has the option to end this. You are reaffirming that they are sadists. Do you deny that they are holding Israeli hostages, many women, and extending this conflict? They had apparently had detente before. Why not now?

It's not a very difficult concept.

It's not a difficult concept to understand that Hamas could end the starvation tomorrow by capitulating and standing down. Hamas has nothing to gain by continuing its fight and is only doing more and more damage to the Palestinian people for every hour that they cling to their delusional positions.

Sorry, no one else in the world agrees with this position. Not even the US anymore. Israel is choosing this barbaric strategy. Israel can choose not to use Palestinian babies as sacrificial lambs, instead Israel has chosen a path that is as morally bankrupt as Hamas.

No one else in the world agrees that Hamas needs to stand down? No one else in the world agrees that Hamas standing down would be progress and a barrier cleared toward helping the Palestinian people avoid famine?

What world is that, exactly? The only world that this would be true in is the Hamas world.

You are obtuse. Everyone civilized agrees that Hamas should return the hostages. Everyone civilized also agrees that Israel's strategy of bringing a famine upon innocent Palestinian children is barbaric. Intelligent people are capable of holding these two positions are once.

Let the women and children out to Egypt and Jordan and other Muslim countries! Oh, that's right NO ONE wants to actually help them . Hamas won't let them go because then the human shields would be gone. So if you really cared about the Palestinian children, then advocate for that first step.

Let the women and children on both sides go. Release the hostages and let people out so that they can receive the aid that is getting stolen everyday.

Palestinians have a right to stay in Gaza. Israel is barbaric in starving innocent children. Israel has agency. Don't be pointing your fingers at everyone else.

That's correct, Israel has Agency to protect themselves from a group of people who have told the world numerous times that they will repeat Oct 7 over and over.

Yes, Israel is protecting itself from infants by starving them to death.

Sorry, you don't even make sense. If Hamas leaders says they are going to repeat Oct 7 over and over and over until Jews are all dead, what do infants have to do with that? A country's government has to take those threats seriously and protect their people.

If you want to help the Palestinian infants, get them out of their war torn country for now. It happens all the time:
war-->refugees--->helpful countries who take them in-->war ends-->people go back.
Don't use infants as shields and martyrs for your cause. Just let the hostage women and children go, and get the women an children away from Hamas where they will get hurt.

Agree with previous poster that the Hamas men seem well fed.

Good points. And with Israel's stellar track record allowing indigenous people to return following conflict and forced displacement, I'm sincerely surprised why more people are not heralding your great idea!

well, I guess going to Egypt and living is better than hanging out with Hamas and dying.

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Anonymous wrote:The sadism of Hamas is what I can't get out of my head....

As opposed to bombing and then forced starvation by Israel of thousands of little kids and babies? I am really stunned by the ability of pot-Israelis to shrug off the suffering of tens of thousands of Palestinian children and the mental gymnastics of blaming the suffering on Hamas, as if Hamas made strategic decisions for the IDF and Netanyahu.

Hamas could return all hostages, living or dead. Yes, they are sadistic to prolong this.

Starving 2 million people, including 1 million children, to punish 20,000 is to you an ironic phrase, beyond the pale.

? I don't understand your point. Hamas has the option to end this. You are reaffirming that they are sadists. Do you deny that they are holding Israeli hostages, many women, and extending this conflict? They had apparently had detente before. Why not now?

It's not a very difficult concept.

It's not a difficult concept to understand that Hamas could end the starvation tomorrow by capitulating and standing down. Hamas has nothing to gain by continuing its fight and is only doing more and more damage to the Palestinian people for every hour that they cling to their delusional positions.

Sorry, no one else in the world agrees with this position. Not even the US anymore. Israel is choosing this barbaric strategy. Israel can choose not to use Palestinian babies as sacrificial lambs, instead Israel has chosen a path that is as morally bankrupt as Hamas.

No one else in the world agrees that Hamas needs to stand down? No one else in the world agrees that Hamas standing down would be progress and a barrier cleared toward helping the Palestinian people avoid famine?

What world is that, exactly? The only world that this would be true in is the Hamas world.

You are obtuse. Everyone civilized agrees that Hamas should return the hostages. Everyone civilized also agrees that Israel's strategy of bringing a famine upon innocent Palestinian children is barbaric. Intelligent people are capable of holding these two positions are once.

Let the women and children out to Egypt and Jordan and other Muslim countries! Oh, that's right NO ONE wants to actually help them . Hamas won't let them go because then the human shields would be gone. So if you really cared about the Palestinian children, then advocate for that first step.

Let the women and children on both sides go. Release the hostages and let people out so that they can receive the aid that is getting stolen everyday.

Palestinians have a right to stay in Gaza. Israel is barbaric in starving innocent children. Israel has agency. Don't be pointing your fingers at everyone else.

That's correct, Israel has Agency to protect themselves from a group of people who have told the world numerous times that they will repeat Oct 7 over and over.

Yes, Israel is protecting itself from infants by starving them to death.

Sorry, you don't even make sense. If Hamas leaders says they are going to repeat Oct 7 over and over and over until Jews are all dead, what do infants have to do with that? A country's government has to take those threats seriously and protect their people.

If you want to help the Palestinian infants, get them out of their war torn country for now. It happens all the time:
war-->refugees--->helpful countries who take them in-->war ends-->people go back.
Don't use infants as shields and martyrs for your cause. Just let the hostage women and children go, and get the women an children away from Hamas where they will get hurt.

Agree with previous poster that the Hamas men seem well fed.

Thing is, if Hamas repeats October 7th over and over and over the far more likely outcome is that all Palestinians will be dead. Why don't they understand history?

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Anonymous wrote:The sadism of Hamas is what I can't get out of my head....

As opposed to bombing and then forced starvation by Israel of thousands of little kids and babies? I am really stunned by the ability of pot-Israelis to shrug off the suffering of tens of thousands of Palestinian children and the mental gymnastics of blaming the suffering on Hamas, as if Hamas made strategic decisions for the IDF and Netanyahu.

Hamas could return all hostages, living or dead. Yes, they are sadistic to prolong this.

Starving 2 million people, including 1 million children, to punish 20,000 is to you an ironic phrase, beyond the pale.

? I don't understand your point. Hamas has the option to end this. You are reaffirming that they are sadists. Do you deny that they are holding Israeli hostages, many women, and extending this conflict? They had apparently had detente before. Why not now?

It's not a very difficult concept.

It's not a difficult concept to understand that Hamas could end the starvation tomorrow by capitulating and standing down. Hamas has nothing to gain by continuing its fight and is only doing more and more damage to the Palestinian people for every hour that they cling to their delusional positions.

Sorry, no one else in the world agrees with this position. Not even the US anymore. Israel is choosing this barbaric strategy. Israel can choose not to use Palestinian babies as sacrificial lambs, instead Israel has chosen a path that is as morally bankrupt as Hamas.

No one else in the world agrees that Hamas needs to stand down? No one else in the world agrees that Hamas standing down would be progress and a barrier cleared toward helping the Palestinian people avoid famine?

What world is that, exactly? The only world that this would be true in is the Hamas world.

You are obtuse. Everyone civilized agrees that Hamas should return the hostages. Everyone civilized also agrees that Israel's strategy of bringing a famine upon innocent Palestinian children is barbaric. Intelligent people are capable of holding these two positions are once.

And?

And?

And?

Why do you keep missing the most important part - that Hamas capitulate and stand down?

Talk about obtuse.

It's not safe to begin large-scale humanitarian and resettlement operations. Because of Hamas. Hell, displaced Jews from the north of Israel can't yet return to their homes either due to the continuing threat of Hezbollah either. How is it that your brain ONLY seems to see Big Evil Israel and poor suffering Palestinian victims and NOBODY ELSE with a role in this? You seem to be one of the most obtuse people on this thread.

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Anonymous wrote:The sadism of Hamas is what I can't get out of my head....

As opposed to bombing and then forced starvation by Israel of thousands of little kids and babies? I am really stunned by the ability of pot-Israelis to shrug off the suffering of tens of thousands of Palestinian children and the mental gymnastics of blaming the suffering on Hamas, as if Hamas made strategic decisions for the IDF and Netanyahu.

Hamas could return all hostages, living or dead. Yes, they are sadistic to prolong this.

Starving 2 million people, including 1 million children, to punish 20,000 is to you an ironic phrase, beyond the pale.

? I don't understand your point. Hamas has the option to end this. You are reaffirming that they are sadists. Do you deny that they are holding Israeli hostages, many women, and extending this conflict? They had apparently had detente before. Why not now?

It's not a very difficult concept.

It's not a difficult concept to understand that Hamas could end the starvation tomorrow by capitulating and standing down. Hamas has nothing to gain by continuing its fight and is only doing more and more damage to the Palestinian people for every hour that they cling to their delusional positions.

Sorry, no one else in the world agrees with this position. Not even the US anymore. Israel is choosing this barbaric strategy. Israel can choose not to use Palestinian babies as sacrificial lambs, instead Israel has chosen a path that is as morally bankrupt as Hamas.

No one else in the world agrees that Hamas needs to stand down? No one else in the world agrees that Hamas standing down would be progress and a barrier cleared toward helping the Palestinian people avoid famine?

What world is that, exactly? The only world that this would be true in is the Hamas world.

You are obtuse. Everyone civilized agrees that Hamas should return the hostages. Everyone civilized also agrees that Israel's strategy of bringing a famine upon innocent Palestinian children is barbaric. Intelligent people are capable of holding these two positions are once.

Let the women and children out to Egypt and Jordan and other Muslim countries! Oh, that's right NO ONE wants to actually help them . Hamas won't let them go because then the human shields would be gone. So if you really cared about the Palestinian children, then advocate for that first step.

Let the women and children on both sides go. Release the hostages and let people out so that they can receive the aid that is getting stolen everyday.

Palestinians have a right to stay in Gaza. Israel is barbaric in starving innocent children. Israel has agency. Don't be pointing your fingers at everyone else.

That's correct, Israel has Agency to protect themselves from a group of people who have told the world numerous times that they will repeat Oct 7 over and over.

Yes, Israel is protecting itself from infants by starving them to death.

Hamas is starving infants. They seem well nourished and holding up fine themselves. What sorts of men feed themselves before babies?

Not just well nourished but fat. If the IDF doesn't get them, diabetes and heart disease will. It's mystifying why Palestinians put their faith in Hamas. They're nothing but a bunch of waddling sadists taking food from women and children. Pathetic.

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Anonymous wrote:The sadism of Hamas is what I can't get out of my head....

As opposed to bombing and then forced starvation by Israel of thousands of little kids and babies? I am really stunned by the ability of pot-Israelis to shrug off the suffering of tens of thousands of Palestinian children and the mental gymnastics of blaming the suffering on Hamas, as if Hamas made strategic decisions for the IDF and Netanyahu.

Hamas could return all hostages, living or dead. Yes, they are sadistic to prolong this.

Starving 2 million people, including 1 million children, to punish 20,000 is to you an ironic phrase, beyond the pale.

? I don't understand your point. Hamas has the option to end this. You are reaffirming that they are sadists. Do you deny that they are holding Israeli hostages, many women, and extending this conflict? They had apparently had detente before. Why not now?

It's not a very difficult concept.

It's not a difficult concept to understand that Hamas could end the starvation tomorrow by capitulating and standing down. Hamas has nothing to gain by continuing its fight and is only doing more and more damage to the Palestinian people for every hour that they cling to their delusional positions.

Sorry, no one else in the world agrees with this position. Not even the US anymore. Israel is choosing this barbaric strategy. Israel can choose not to use Palestinian babies as sacrificial lambs, instead Israel has chosen a path that is as morally bankrupt as Hamas.

No one else in the world agrees that Hamas needs to stand down? No one else in the world agrees that Hamas standing down would be progress and a barrier cleared toward helping the Palestinian people avoid famine?

What world is that, exactly? The only world that this would be true in is the Hamas world.

You are obtuse. Everyone civilized agrees that Hamas should return the hostages. Everyone civilized also agrees that Israel's strategy of bringing a famine upon innocent Palestinian children is barbaric. Intelligent people are capable of holding these two positions are once.

Let the women and children out to Egypt and Jordan and other Muslim countries! Oh, that's right NO ONE wants to actually help them . Hamas won't let them go because then the human shields would be gone. So if you really cared about the Palestinian children, then advocate for that first step.

Let the women and children on both sides go. Release the hostages and let people out so that they can receive the aid that is getting stolen everyday.

Palestinians have a right to stay in Gaza. Israel is barbaric in starving innocent children. Israel has agency. Don't be pointing your fingers at everyone else.

Palestinians have a right to stay in Gaza.
For me, that's not the question.
For me, the question is why should they have the right to employ violence, to elect and support violent genocidal terrorist groups that continually attack their neighbor civilians?

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Anonymous wrote:The sadism of Hamas is what I can't get out of my head....

As opposed to bombing and then forced starvation by Israel of thousands of little kids and babies? I am really stunned by the ability of pot-Israelis to shrug off the suffering of tens of thousands of Palestinian children and the mental gymnastics of blaming the suffering on Hamas, as if Hamas made strategic decisions for the IDF and Netanyahu.

Hamas could return all hostages, living or dead. Yes, they are sadistic to prolong this.

Starving 2 million people, including 1 million children, to punish 20,000 is to you an ironic phrase, beyond the pale.

? I don't understand your point. Hamas has the option to end this. You are reaffirming that they are sadists. Do you deny that they are holding Israeli hostages, many women, and extending this conflict? They had apparently had detente before. Why not now?

It's not a very difficult concept.

It's not a difficult concept to understand that Hamas could end the starvation tomorrow by capitulating and standing down. Hamas has nothing to gain by continuing its fight and is only doing more and more damage to the Palestinian people for every hour that they cling to their delusional positions.

Sorry, no one else in the world agrees with this position. Not even the US anymore. Israel is choosing this barbaric strategy. Israel can choose not to use Palestinian babies as sacrificial lambs, instead Israel has chosen a path that is as morally bankrupt as Hamas.

No one else in the world agrees that Hamas needs to stand down? No one else in the world agrees that Hamas standing down would be progress and a barrier cleared toward helping the Palestinian people avoid famine?

What world is that, exactly? The only world that this would be true in is the Hamas world.

You are obtuse. Everyone civilized agrees that Hamas should return the hostages. Everyone civilized also agrees that Israel's strategy of bringing a famine upon innocent Palestinian children is barbaric. Intelligent people are capable of holding these two positions are once.

Let the women and children out to Egypt and Jordan and other Muslim countries! Oh, that's right NO ONE wants to actually help them . Hamas won't let them go because then the human shields would be gone. So if you really cared about the Palestinian children, then advocate for that first step.

Let the women and children on both sides go. Release the hostages and let people out so that they can receive the aid that is getting stolen everyday.

Palestinians have a right to stay in Gaza. Israel is barbaric in starving innocent children. Israel has agency. Don't be pointing your fingers at everyone else.

Palestinians have a right to stay in Gaza.
For me, that's not the question.
For me, the question is why should they have the right to employ violence, to elect and support violent genocidal terrorist groups that continually attack their neighbor civilians?

Because nothing else yields action. Sadly, that's their reality. Their choices are subjugation or fight any way possible to harm their oppressors. After WWII, it remains surprising that people who align with Israel cannot understand that basic human reaction.

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Anonymous wrote:The sadism of Hamas is what I can't get out of my head....

As opposed to bombing and then forced starvation by Israel of thousands of little kids and babies? I am really stunned by the ability of pot-Israelis to shrug off the suffering of tens of thousands of Palestinian children and the mental gymnastics of blaming the suffering on Hamas, as if Hamas made strategic decisions for the IDF and Netanyahu.

Hamas could return all hostages, living or dead. Yes, they are sadistic to prolong this.

Starving 2 million people, including 1 million children, to punish 20,000 is to you an ironic phrase, beyond the pale.

? I don't understand your point. Hamas has the option to end this. You are reaffirming that they are sadists. Do you deny that they are holding Israeli hostages, many women, and extending this conflict? They had apparently had detente before. Why not now?

It's not a very difficult concept.

It's not a difficult concept to understand that Hamas could end the starvation tomorrow by capitulating and standing down. Hamas has nothing to gain by continuing its fight and is only doing more and more damage to the Palestinian people for every hour that they cling to their delusional positions.

Sorry, no one else in the world agrees with this position. Not even the US anymore. Israel is choosing this barbaric strategy. Israel can choose not to use Palestinian babies as sacrificial lambs, instead Israel has chosen a path that is as morally bankrupt as Hamas.

No one else in the world agrees that Hamas needs to stand down? No one else in the world agrees that Hamas standing down would be progress and a barrier cleared toward helping the Palestinian people avoid famine?

What world is that, exactly? The only world that this would be true in is the Hamas world.

You are obtuse. Everyone civilized agrees that Hamas should return the hostages. Everyone civilized also agrees that Israel's strategy of bringing a famine upon innocent Palestinian children is barbaric. Intelligent people are capable of holding these two positions are once.

Let the women and children out to Egypt and Jordan and other Muslim countries! Oh, that's right NO ONE wants to actually help them . Hamas won't let them go because then the human shields would be gone. So if you really cared about the Palestinian children, then advocate for that first step.

Let the women and children on both sides go. Release the hostages and let people out so that they can receive the aid that is getting stolen everyday.

Palestinians have a right to stay in Gaza. Israel is barbaric in starving innocent children. Israel has agency. Don't be pointing your fingers at everyone else.

That's correct, Israel has Agency to protect themselves from a group of people who have told the world numerous times that they will repeat Oct 7 over and over.

Yes, Israel is protecting itself from infants by starving them to death.

Hamas is starving infants. They seem well nourished and holding up fine themselves. What sorts of men feed themselves before babies?

Not just well nourished but fat. If the IDF doesn't get them, diabetes and heart disease will. It's mystifying why Palestinians put their faith in Hamas. They're nothing but a bunch of waddling sadists taking food from women and children. Pathetic.

Those that put their faith in Fatah are watching Israel slowly, but inexorably, swallow their land.

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Anonymous wrote:The sadism of Hamas is what I can't get out of my head....

As opposed to bombing and then forced starvation by Israel of thousands of little kids and babies? I am really stunned by the ability of pot-Israelis to shrug off the suffering of tens of thousands of Palestinian children and the mental gymnastics of blaming the suffering on Hamas, as if Hamas made strategic decisions for the IDF and Netanyahu.

Hamas could return all hostages, living or dead. Yes, they are sadistic to prolong this.

Starving 2 million people, including 1 million children, to punish 20,000 is to you an ironic phrase, beyond the pale.

? I don't understand your point. Hamas has the option to end this. You are reaffirming that they are sadists. Do you deny that they are holding Israeli hostages, many women, and extending this conflict? They had apparently had detente before. Why not now?

It's not a very difficult concept.

It's not a difficult concept to understand that Hamas could end the starvation tomorrow by capitulating and standing down. Hamas has nothing to gain by continuing its fight and is only doing more and more damage to the Palestinian people for every hour that they cling to their delusional positions.

Sorry, no one else in the world agrees with this position. Not even the US anymore. Israel is choosing this barbaric strategy. Israel can choose not to use Palestinian babies as sacrificial lambs, instead Israel has chosen a path that is as morally bankrupt as Hamas.

No one else in the world agrees that Hamas needs to stand down? No one else in the world agrees that Hamas standing down would be progress and a barrier cleared toward helping the Palestinian people avoid famine?

What world is that, exactly? The only world that this would be true in is the Hamas world.

You are obtuse. Everyone civilized agrees that Hamas should return the hostages. Everyone civilized also agrees that Israel's strategy of bringing a famine upon innocent Palestinian children is barbaric. Intelligent people are capable of holding these two positions are once.

Let the women and children out to Egypt and Jordan and other Muslim countries! Oh, that's right NO ONE wants to actually help them . Hamas won't let them go because then the human shields would be gone. So if you really cared about the Palestinian children, then advocate for that first step.

Let the women and children on both sides go. Release the hostages and let people out so that they can receive the aid that is getting stolen everyday.

Palestinians have a right to stay in Gaza. Israel is barbaric in starving innocent children. Israel has agency. Don't be pointing your fingers at everyone else.

That's correct, Israel has Agency to protect themselves from a group of people who have told the world numerous times that they will repeat Oct 7 over and over.

Yes, Israel is protecting itself from infants by starving them to death.

Hamas is starving infants. They seem well nourished and holding up fine themselves. What sorts of men feed themselves before babies?

Not just well nourished but fat. If the IDF doesn't get them, diabetes and heart disease will. It's mystifying why Palestinians put their faith in Hamas. They're nothing but a bunch of waddling sadists taking food from women and children. Pathetic.

They aren’t.
https://amp.cnn.com/cnn/2023/12/23/opinions/gazan-hope-for-peace-masri

In Gaza’s legislative council elections of 2005 and 2006, I, along with more than 50% of voting age Palestinians, voted for Fatah, which controlled the Palestinian Authority at the time. I did not vote for Hamas because they rejected peace, coexistence and a two-state solution and adopted armed resistance against Israel. Unfortunately, Fatah candidates split the vote, giving power to Hamas, who received only 44.45% of the people’s vote with only one majority win in one out of 16 districts.

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Anonymous wrote:Israel has slaughtered 32,000 Palestinians since 10/7. Congratulations to Israel, Bibi and the Zionists for turning the world against Jews.

Nobody should be against Jews. People can and should hate the Zionists all they want, but let's never judge anyone based on their religion or ethnicity. Zionists have perverted Judaism for personal gain and power and have weaponized it to dehumanize and massacre Palestinians. Zionism is undoubtedly a hideous and racist creed, but please, let's recognize the difference between Jews and Zionists. Many Jews hate Zionism.

Well, when are Jews going to oust Bibi and his right wing religious minions?

Chuck Schumer, the most powerful Jew in American politics called for his ouster in a compelling and passionate speech.

Sadly I'm not hearing a damn thing similar to that from powerful and influential Muslims calling for the ouster of Hamas leadership.

I mean, isn't Israel supposedly ousting Hamas and its leadership? Or is that goal no longer on the agenda?

You seem confused. It's the Gazans who should be calling for the ouster of Hamas. And doing so would bring much faster humanitarian aid and relief.

The Palestinians have no homes, no food or water, no electricity, no phones or internet and they are surrounded by trigger happy Israelis and Hamas. How does your suggestion work?

That's their choice, given 71% said they are good with Hamas's bloody massacre on 10/7.

Had Hamas not launched that attack, Gazans would still be in their homes with food, water, electricity, and everything else. For all of the "yeah but" there's no getting around that.

Do you also subscribe to the “she was asking for it” theory of rape?

How completely idiotic - that's a totally wrong analogy. Hamas has launched thousands of rockets at Israel over the last several years, which would have killed many thousands, were it not for the Iron Dome. And then Hamas launched a violent assault, massacring or kidnapping civilians right and left. When you punch someone in the face and break their nose, and then that person whose nose you broke comes back with a group of friends to break your nose in return, it's NOT EVEN REMOTELY a "she asked for it because of how she was dressed" situation.

Except you seem to be overlooking the part where you're coming back with a group of friends to not just punch them in the nose (that would be a proportional response), but murdering, maiming or otherwise harming them and everyone they know, destroying their homes and possessions, and forcibly stealing their land by permanently displacing them. And that's just to this point - who knows what devious plans you have in the future?

I know proportional responses are not in your playbook because "how dare they even think to fight back!" is the Israeli ethos, but seriously - you really have a warped sense of the world around you.

How many Palestinians did Israel kidnap or massacre in the 2 years prior to 10/7? Do you think 10/7 was proportionate? (it wasn't - it was a hugely disproportionate attack by Hamas). Not to mention the thousands of rockets fired by Hamas which would have killed tens of thousands of Israelis if they hadn't been shot down by Iron Dome.

Thanks for ignoring the THOUSANDS of Palestinians Israel killed prior to the 10/7. It's like only Jewish lives matter to you genocide deniers.

I guess it's only fair if pro-Palestinians want to continually deny the Jewish genocide in WWII and centuries of other atrocities committed against Jews... I guess it's only fair if pro-Palestinians want to continually deny and ignore all of the things that precipitated Arab-Israeli wars and the repeated instances of genocidal attacks going back to the very day that Israel was partitioned.

The Jewish genocide in WWII was caused by the Germans. It had nothing to do with the Palestinians. That’s the whole problem. The Palestinians are forced to pay for the German (and European and US who rejected Jewish refugees after the war)’s sins.

Well you have to admit there was also that little bit of the Palestinians repeatedly trying to drive the Jews off of the lands they had been given by international treaty and repeatedly trying to exterminate them.

International treaty between whom? The Palestinians/Arabs were not signatories of that treaty. I think you mean UN Resolution 181. The Nakba had already begun by then.

What was the legal standing of the Palestinians/Arabs? Remember, the Palestinians/Arabs weren't in charge and hadn't been for a very very long time. Remember that they had lost sovereignty and control to the Turks hundreds of years prior, and then to the Allies in WWI who captured Palestine from the Ottomans. They lacked a sovereign mandate for dictating the terms. Just because you didn't sign doesn't mean it doesn't apply to you or that you aren't beholden to it. Claiming otherwise would be like that stupid "Sovereign Citizen" crap that people try pulling.

This is an interesting point, how is it that Palestinians feel they are somehow not subject to the partition and other League of Nations / UN agreements because "they weren't signatories to it" yet for hundreds of years prior they were subject to the treaties and laws of the Ottoman Empire even though they weren't signatories to those either?

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In normal times, Gazans do not hate Israel. To the contrary, they want to work there.

Hamas needs war in order to make Gazans permanently hate Israel.

They will keep launching wars every few years because it helps recruitment and making Israel the permanent enemy in what is naturally a moderate Gaza who doesn’t really trust Hamas

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Anonymous wrote:The sadism of Hamas is what I can't get out of my head....

As opposed to bombing and then forced starvation by Israel of thousands of little kids and babies? I am really stunned by the ability of pot-Israelis to shrug off the suffering of tens of thousands of Palestinian children and the mental gymnastics of blaming the suffering on Hamas, as if Hamas made strategic decisions for the IDF and Netanyahu.

Hamas could return all hostages, living or dead. Yes, they are sadistic to prolong this.

Starving 2 million people, including 1 million children, to punish 20,000 is to you an ironic phrase, beyond the pale.

? I don't understand your point. Hamas has the option to end this. You are reaffirming that they are sadists. Do you deny that they are holding Israeli hostages, many women, and extending this conflict? They had apparently had detente before. Why not now?

It's not a very difficult concept.

It's not a difficult concept to understand that Hamas could end the starvation tomorrow by capitulating and standing down. Hamas has nothing to gain by continuing its fight and is only doing more and more damage to the Palestinian people for every hour that they cling to their delusional positions.

Sorry, no one else in the world agrees with this position. Not even the US anymore. Israel is choosing this barbaric strategy. Israel can choose not to use Palestinian babies as sacrificial lambs, instead Israel has chosen a path that is as morally bankrupt as Hamas.

No one else in the world agrees that Hamas needs to stand down? No one else in the world agrees that Hamas standing down would be progress and a barrier cleared toward helping the Palestinian people avoid famine?

What world is that, exactly? The only world that this would be true in is the Hamas world.

You are obtuse. Everyone civilized agrees that Hamas should return the hostages. Everyone civilized also agrees that Israel's strategy of bringing a famine upon innocent Palestinian children is barbaric. Intelligent people are capable of holding these two positions are once.

Let the women and children out to Egypt and Jordan and other Muslim countries! Oh, that's right NO ONE wants to actually help them . Hamas won't let them go because then the human shields would be gone. So if you really cared about the Palestinian children, then advocate for that first step.

Let the women and children on both sides go. Release the hostages and let people out so that they can receive the aid that is getting stolen everyday.

Palestinians have a right to stay in Gaza. Israel is barbaric in starving innocent children. Israel has agency. Don't be pointing your fingers at everyone else.

That's correct, Israel has Agency to protect themselves from a group of people who have told the world numerous times that they will repeat Oct 7 over and over.

Yes, Israel is protecting itself from infants by starving them to death.

Hamas is starving infants. They seem well nourished and holding up fine themselves. What sorts of men feed themselves before babies?

Not just well nourished but fat. If the IDF doesn't get them, diabetes and heart disease will. It's mystifying why Palestinians put their faith in Hamas. They're nothing but a bunch of waddling sadists taking food from women and children. Pathetic.

They aren’t.
https://amp.cnn.com/cnn/2023/12/23/opinions/gazan-hope-for-peace-masri

In Gaza’s legislative council elections of 2005 and 2006, I, along with more than 50% of voting age Palestinians, voted for Fatah, which controlled the Palestinian Authority at the time. I did not vote for Hamas because they rejected peace, coexistence and a two-state solution and adopted armed resistance against Israel. Unfortunately, Fatah candidates split the vote, giving power to Hamas, who received only 44.45% of the people’s vote with only one majority win in one out of 16 districts.

I think the big elephant in the room, for both Netanyahu and the Palestinians, is what next? Say Hamas is eliminated, removed from power, taken out of the equation one way or another... what then? Who is put in charge of Gaza and its people and its reconstruction? And what safeguards are put in place to ensure that Hamas's successors don't resort to the same kind of violence that resulted in this disastrous turn of events? And what safeguards to prevent the West Bank's different set of issues? And what mechanisms get put in place to ensure free and fair elections that don't return a new flavor of Hamas to power? There needs to be a solid set of checks and balances, codified into a constitution or other legal, binding and enforceable document once this is over. I don't think Netanyahu has a plan. And I don't think any of the Palestinians do, either.