Anonymous wrote:OP here. Nanny will be going from a two child situation to a two child situation--not doubling the workload. She will have a 20 month old and a 26 month old. The share rate would be be 18.50/hour.

WIth 40 hours plus 10 overtime that works out to 57,700. a year. Its a lot more than what I made in my 30s, while paying off college and grad school loans!

Anonymous wrote:OP when nannies and employers refer to hourly rates they are referring to average not base rates. I never saw one nanny report her previous base rate, only the higher average. You document actual base and OT rates in the contract but negotiate in terms of average hourly rate/number of hours per week.

If you are paying $18.50 base you are paying much more than others who are referring to $18 average. You should make sure that your share partner understands you are not referring to the average.

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Anonymous wrote:OP when nannies and employers refer to hourly rates they are referring to average not base rates. I never saw one nanny report her previous base rate, only the higher average. You document actual base and OT rates in the contract but negotiate in terms of average hourly rate/number of hours per week.

If you are paying $18.50 base you are paying much more than others who are referring to $18 average. You should make sure that your share partner understands you are not referring to the average.

No, my rate is my rate, not my "average" rate. Let's not stoop to double speak and more confusion.

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Anonymous wrote:OP when nannies and employers refer to hourly rates they are referring to average not base rates. I never saw one nanny report her previous base rate, only the higher average. You document actual base and OT rates in the contract but negotiate in terms of average hourly rate/number of hours per week.

If you are paying $18.50 base you are paying much more than others who are referring to $18 average. You should make sure that your share partner understands you are not referring to the average.

No, my rate is my rate, not my "average" rate. Let's not stoop to double speak and more confusion.

"Average rate" is just a clarification. Your rate is your rate, but I have no way of knowing if you are talking about an average rate or a base rate unless you clarify. It's also been my experience, in real life, that people discuss rates in terms of average, not base. That's not to say you are or should do one or the other, but it doesn't hurt to clarify.

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Anonymous wrote:OP here. Nanny will be going from a two child situation to a two child situation--not doubling the workload. She will have a 20 month old and a 26 month old. The share rate would be be 18.50/hour.

WIth 40 hours plus 10 overtime that works out to 57,700. a year. Its a lot more than what I made in my 30s, while paying off college and grad school loans!

Actually, her yearly would be $52,910. {18.5 x 55 x 52} as opposed to her current yearly which is 17 x 55 x 52 = $48,620. $4,290 isn't enough money to make up for the headaches of a share in most cases.

And unless your older child will never ever ever see nanny and be in her care, nanny is in a **3** child share. And even if that weren't the case, caring for unrelated toddlers is different from caring for siblings of different ages, and dealing with one set of employers is different from dealing with 2 sets of employers.

Any days that your older kid isn't in school/aftercare, where will that child be? How will you compensate nanny for the third kid during sick days, vacation days, and school breaks?

To answer your question, if nanny currently makes $17/hour, up her share rate to around 133% of that pay rate and divide the cost in a way that covers your needs for nanny to care for your older kid on occasion. 55/45, 60/40, whatever. Nanny will make $22/hour, you can pay $12 and still save $5/hour, $275/week or $14,300/year off of your current costs. Share family will pay $550/week for care.

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Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:OP when nannies and employers refer to hourly rates they are referring to average not base rates. I never saw one nanny report her previous base rate, only the higher average. You document actual base and OT rates in the contract but negotiate in terms of average hourly rate/number of hours per week.

If you are paying $18.50 base you are paying much more than others who are referring to $18 average. You should make sure that your share partner understands you are not referring to the average.

No, my rate is my rate, not my "average" rate. Let's not stoop to double speak and more confusion.

"Average rate" is just a clarification. Your rate is your rate, but I have no way of knowing if you are talking about an average rate or a base rate unless you clarify. It's also been my experience, in real life, that people discuss rates in terms of average, not base. That's not to say you are or should do one or the other, but it doesn't hurt to clarify.

So according to your double speak, your average rate may fluctuate depending on how many hours of overtime you get every week.
Most people strive for simplicity rather than unnecessary complexity.

If you charge your employer $25/hr., that's your rate. If you work OT (past 40 hrs a wk), you charge time and a half. Your average rate depends on how many hours you happen to work.

No one refers to an "average rate" except an employer who is trying to pull a fast one on a naive nanny. GL.

Remember, what goes around, comes around. Try to keep your child as your focus instead of trying to screw the nanny out of her OT pay.

Anonymous wrote:I would never do a share for an extra $1.50/hr. How can you even propose that with a straight face? Would you get excited about that kind of raise to double your workload? I can't imagine any nanny being that naive. Some of them really get taken advantage of.

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nannydebsays wrote:

Anonymous wrote:OP here. Nanny will be going from a two child situation to a two child situation--not doubling the workload. She will have a 20 month old and a 26 month old. The share rate would be be 18.50/hour.

WIth 40 hours plus 10 overtime that works out to 57,700. a year. Its a lot more than what I made in my 30s, while paying off college and grad school loans!

Actually, her yearly would be $52,910. {18.5 x 55 x 52} as opposed to her current yearly which is 17 x 55 x 52 = $48,620. $4,290 isn't enough money to make up for the headaches of a share in most cases.

And unless your older child will never ever ever see nanny and be in her care, nanny is in a **3** child share. And even if that weren't the case, caring for unrelated toddlers is different from caring for siblings of different ages, and dealing with one set of employers is different from dealing with 2 sets of employers.

Any days that your older kid isn't in school/aftercare, where will that child be? How will you compensate nanny for the third kid during sick days, vacation days, and school breaks?

To answer your question, if nanny currently makes $17/hour, up her share rate to around 133% of that pay rate and divide the cost in a way that covers your needs for nanny to care for your older kid on occasion. 55/45, 60/40, whatever. Nanny will make $22/hour, you can pay $12 and still save $5/hour, $275/week or $14,300/year off of your current costs. Share family will pay $550/week for care.

I don't see why you need to bring an older child into this calculus. If OP meant for the nanny to care for him, she'd say so. The jump from $17 to $22 per hour seems a bit steep - remember, it's not for adding a child to the mix (since the # of children isn't changing), but to cover the hassle factor for two families. I would offer $19 to $20 and see what she says. It's up to the families and the nanny. I've been in two shares with excellent, experienced infant nannies. Paid $19/hr for one and $19.50 for the other.

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Anonymous wrote:Nice try. Share rates are not $24. Families who do shares are already more price conscious. I know several families with shares in DC that pay combined $15-$18. The highest that I have ever heard of an actual person paying is $20.

Wrong. My neighbor hosts a nanny share in her home for 2 infants and the nanny gets paid $22 an hour. There are many nannies that make over $20 an hour for a nanny share. The families paying $7.50-$9.00 each for their nannies probably have nannies who don't speak English, are uneducated, and are desperate for a job. Most nanny shares I know of, the families each pay at least $9-10 an hour.

Example: Familes A and B start a share when their children are 3 months old. Each family pays $10 an hour.
A year later the nanny gets a raise. Each family now pays 10.50 an hour. Another year, another .50 cents. By the time the children are 4 the nanny could be making $23-25 an hour.

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nannydebsays wrote:

Anonymous wrote:OP here. Nanny will be going from a two child situation to a two child situation--not doubling the workload. She will have a 20 month old and a 26 month old. The share rate would be be 18.50/hour.

WIth 40 hours plus 10 overtime that works out to 57,700. a year. Its a lot more than what I made in my 30s, while paying off college and grad school loans!

Actually, her yearly would be $52,910. {18.5 x 55 x 52} as opposed to her current yearly which is 17 x 55 x 52 = $48,620. $4,290 isn't enough money to make up for the headaches of a share in most cases.

And unless your older child will never ever ever see nanny and be in her care, nanny is in a **3** child share. And even if that weren't the case, caring for unrelated toddlers is different from caring for siblings of different ages, and dealing with one set of employers is different from dealing with 2 sets of employers.

Any days that your older kid isn't in school/aftercare, where will that child be? How will you compensate nanny for the third kid during sick days, vacation days, and school breaks?

To answer your question, if nanny currently makes $17/hour, up her share rate to around 133% of that pay rate and divide the cost in a way that covers your needs for nanny to care for your older kid on occasion. 55/45, 60/40, whatever. Nanny will make $22/hour, you can pay $12 and still save $5/hour, $275/week or $14,300/year off of your current costs. Share family will pay $550/week for care.

I don't see why you need to bring an older child into this calculus. If OP meant for the nanny to care for him, she'd say so. The jump from $17 to $22 per hour seems a bit steep - remember, it's not for adding a child to the mix (since the # of children isn't changing), but to cover the hassle factor for two families. I would offer $19 to $20 and see what she says. It's up to the families and the nanny. I've been in two shares with excellent, experienced infant nannies. Paid $19/hr for one and $19.50 for the other.

What exactly do you mean when you say "excellent" and what kind of "experience"?

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nannydebsays wrote:

Anonymous wrote:OP here. Nanny will be going from a two child situation to a two child situation--not doubling the workload. She will have a 20 month old and a 26 month old. The share rate would be be 18.50/hour.

WIth 40 hours plus 10 overtime that works out to 57,700. a year. Its a lot more than what I made in my 30s, while paying off college and grad school loans!

Actually, her yearly would be $52,910. {18.5 x 55 x 52} as opposed to her current yearly which is 17 x 55 x 52 = $48,620. $4,290 isn't enough money to make up for the headaches of a share in most cases.

And unless your older child will never ever ever see nanny and be in her care, nanny is in a **3** child share. And even if that weren't the case, caring for unrelated toddlers is different from caring for siblings of different ages, and dealing with one set of employers is different from dealing with 2 sets of employers.

Any days that your older kid isn't in school/aftercare, where will that child be? How will you compensate nanny for the third kid during sick days, vacation days, and school breaks?

To answer your question, if nanny currently makes $17/hour, up her share rate to around 133% of that pay rate and divide the cost in a way that covers your needs for nanny to care for your older kid on occasion. 55/45, 60/40, whatever. Nanny will make $22/hour, you can pay $12 and still save $5/hour, $275/week or $14,300/year off of your current costs. Share family will pay $550/week for care.

I don't see why you need to bring an older child into this calculus. If OP meant for the nanny to care for him, she'd say so. The jump from $17 to $22 per hour seems a bit steep - remember, it's not for adding a child to the mix (since the # of children isn't changing), but to cover the hassle factor for two families. I would offer $19 to $20 and see what she says. It's up to the families and the nanny. I've been in two shares with excellent, experienced infant nannies. Paid $19/hr for one and $19.50 for the other.

What exactly do you mean when you say "excellent" and what kind of "experience"?

Fluent English speakers, 17+yrs of experience, former nurse, experience with infant multiples.

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I don't see why you need to bring an older child into this calculus. If OP meant for the nanny to care for him, she'd say so. The jump from $17 to $22 per hour seems a bit steep - remember, it's not for adding a child to the mix (since the # of children isn't changing), but to cover the hassle factor for two families. I would offer $19 to $20 and see what she says. It's up to the families and the nanny. I've been in two shares with excellent, experienced infant nannies. Paid $19/hr for one and $19.50 for the other.