Please don't get angry that good nannies deserve a competitive wage.

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Anonymous wrote:to pp: i have two nights a year where i have to stay until 7 for parent teacher conferences-one in the fall and one in the spring. beyond that, every day i get off at 2:50. we don't have after school programs at our site and i don't have other obligations outside of school hours. i do get free health care-my employee contribution is $0 per paycheck, biweekly for twelve months a year. i do not grade papers, as i teach special ed and most of my students do not write, much less write a full length paper. i have general curriculum guidelines (ex. april is national poetry month, earth day is coming up) but i have no other lesson plan obligations. the administration is not allowed to rote collect lesson plans or require you to post them, per union rules. they are for your own use.

I have worked in the school system and what you are describing is not realistic for an actual teacher. You sound more like a paraeducator/teacher assistant or you are not teaching in this area (DMV). I know for a fact teachers contractually have to stay after school for at least 3-4 school events (ie Back to School night) and parents can request conferences whenever they want. No teacher or Para gets free healthcare, they have a portion taken from their paycheck along with taxes and union dues. And what you are describing as curriculum guidelines have nothing to do with curriculum. Those are fun events a classroom can either choose to participate in or not. Actual curriculum means meeting the very specific goals the county has set forth for learning development.

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It's an absolute fact that your child's first three years are the most important years of development. That's precisely why they're called the "foundational years".

If there's a weak foundation, you should anticipate years of problems, perhaps even a lifetime of problems.

Why don't people understand this??

Anyone?

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Anonymous wrote:to pp: i have two nights a year where i have to stay until 7 for parent teacher conferences-one in the fall and one in the spring. beyond that, every day i get off at 2:50. we don't have after school programs at our site and i don't have other obligations outside of school hours. i do get free health care-my employee contribution is $0 per paycheck, biweekly for twelve months a year. i do not grade papers, as i teach special ed and most of my students do not write, much less write a full length paper. i have general curriculum guidelines (ex. april is national poetry month, earth day is coming up) but i have no other lesson plan obligations. the administration is not allowed to rote collect lesson plans or require you to post them, per union rules. they are for your own use.

I have worked in the school system and what you are describing is not realistic for an actual teacher. You sound more like a paraeducator/teacher assistant or you are not teaching in this area (DMV). I know for a fact teachers contractually have to stay after school for at least 3-4 school events (ie Back to School night) and parents can request conferences whenever they want. No teacher or Para gets free healthcare, they have a portion taken from their paycheck along with taxes and union dues. And what you are describing as curriculum guidelines have nothing to do with curriculum. Those are fun events a classroom can either choose to participate in or not. Actual curriculum poster means meeting the very specific goals the county has set forth for learning development.

The above poster is exactly correct.

[Anonymous]

I’m not a para although I do have five paras assisting in my class of twelve students. I’m the classroom teacher. They do not give us curriculum in terms of programs (ex go math, ready gen, etc)-we make our own. Which is more work and actually my least favorite part of the job. They send out a list of standards that we should be working toward but again, all of our students are special ed and some of them will not be reached. I do work on IEPs at home, because it’s difficult to concentrate during administrative periods at school with so much going on. Correct that I do not work in the dmv school system. Surprising that your teachers (and paras) don’t have good benefits.

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Anonymous wrote:people have unrealistic expectations about what $20/hour looks like. i was a nanny up until last year, and now i am a teacher. if i want to work in home instruction i make $47/hour. you are not going to attract a teacher/nanny for $20. i would consider sitting at night with no interaction with the child for $20/hour-just as a warm body. i would not cook, clean, play, or teach for that. i love kids, but you can't expect nanny/babysitting wages to remain stagnant when cost of living does not.

If you have professional degrees and teaching experience, then yes, a parent will pay $47 for a one or two hour session a week or few times a week with their child but very few are going to pay a nanny that much. $20 an hour is reasonable. This is not a skilled job that requires professional degrees and licensure, like a teacher does.

Being a nanny should be a skilled job that requires a professional degree like a teacher. The first three years are the most important and having a nanny who is essentially a housekeeper treating the baby like a sack of potatoes is such a waste of potential. I do hope the importance of narration, engagement and sensory exposure become the norm and the profession of being a nanny changes.

No, it shouldn't but if you feel you need to to justify it, go for it. Sensory stuff is a bunch of bunk created by OT's to justify services. Narration and engagement... hmmm... ok.

Go work in the school system and your opinion will change drastically.

I have spent many year working with SN kids and have one. My child has been in years of services and many evaluations/appointments. Your bunk of stimulation is not going to resolve true SN. It helps but its not a cure. There is no cure only supports to get the child as high functioning as possible. Try having your own kid with SN before preaching. Its very different having your own child and being a nanny for 8-10 hours a day. I've been a nanny, babysitter, day care worker, and much more.

Who said anything about SN kids? Sensory exposure is necessary and beneficial to normally developing kids!! Stop your unnecessary preaching!!

Thank you Pp! To the other woman bringing up SN...No one mentioned SN and even you admit it helps so I’m confused why you are on your soapbox spouting nothing.

Ahem. Third page, 6:34 said, and I quote, "If children had a better foundation during the early (gasp!) foundational years (0-3), they would need fewer special ed teachers when they got to school."

Thanks for playing. -NP

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Anonymous wrote:I’m not a para although I do have five paras assisting in my class of twelve students. I’m the classroom teacher. They do not give us curriculum in terms of programs (ex go math, ready gen, etc)-we make our own. Which is more work and actually my least favorite part of the job. They send out a list of standards that we should be working toward but again, all of our students are special ed and some of them will not be reached. I do work on IEPs at home, because it’s difficult to concentrate during administrative periods at school with so much going on. Correct that I do not work in the dmv school system. Surprising that your teachers (and paras) don’t have good benefits.

Our schools have good benefits, better than other county employees but there is a cost share, none are free.

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Anonymous wrote:people have unrealistic expectations about what $20/hour looks like. i was a nanny up until last year, and now i am a teacher. if i want to work in home instruction i make $47/hour. you are not going to attract a teacher/nanny for $20. i would consider sitting at night with no interaction with the child for $20/hour-just as a warm body. i would not cook, clean, play, or teach for that. i love kids, but you can't expect nanny/babysitting wages to remain stagnant when cost of living does not.

If you have professional degrees and teaching experience, then yes, a parent will pay $47 for a one or two hour session a week or few times a week with their child but very few are going to pay a nanny that much. $20 an hour is reasonable. This is not a skilled job that requires professional degrees and licensure, like a teacher does.

Being a nanny should be a skilled job that requires a professional degree like a teacher. The first three years are the most important and having a nanny who is essentially a housekeeper treating the baby like a sack of potatoes is such a waste of potential. I do hope the importance of narration, engagement and sensory exposure become the norm and the profession of being a nanny changes.

No, it shouldn't but if you feel you need to to justify it, go for it. Sensory stuff is a bunch of bunk created by OT's to justify services. Narration and engagement... hmmm... ok.

Go work in the school system and your opinion will change drastically.

I have spent many year working with SN kids and have one. My child has been in years of services and many evaluations/appointments. Your bunk of stimulation is not going to resolve true SN. It helps but its not a cure. There is no cure only supports to get the child as high functioning as possible. Try having your own kid with SN before preaching. Its very different having your own child and being a nanny for 8-10 hours a day. I've been a nanny, babysitter, day care worker, and much more.

Who said anything about SN kids? Sensory exposure is necessary and beneficial to normally developing kids!! Stop your unnecessary preaching!!

Thank you Pp! To the other woman bringing up SN...No one mentioned SN and even you admit it helps so I’m confused why you are on your soapbox spouting nothing.

Ahem. Third page, 6:34 said, and I quote, "If children had a better foundation during the early (gasp!) foundational years (0-3), they would need fewer special ed teachers when they got to school."

Thanks for playing. -NP

Ahem. Learn to actually read...the specific conversation you are referencing was speaking about sensory development and not SN kids until a poster decided to randomly bring it up for their hollow argument. Go play with someone on your level.

[Anonymous]

Ever hear of "The Hell of American Daycare"? Google it. Neglectful early childhood can have awful consequences. It doesn't have to be direct abuse, per se. It can be unindended neglect.

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Anonymous wrote:Ever hear of "The Hell of American Daycare"? Google it. Neglectful early childhood can have awful consequences. It doesn't have to be direct abuse, per se. It can be unindended neglect.

*unintended

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Anonymous wrote:people have unrealistic expectations about what $20/hour looks like. i was a nanny up until last year, and now i am a teacher. if i want to work in home instruction i make $47/hour. you are not going to attract a teacher/nanny for $20. i would consider sitting at night with no interaction with the child for $20/hour-just as a warm body. i would not cook, clean, play, or teach for that. i love kids, but you can't expect nanny/babysitting wages to remain stagnant when cost of living does not.

If you have professional degrees and teaching experience, then yes, a parent will pay $47 for a one or two hour session a week or few times a week with their child but very few are going to pay a nanny that much. $20 an hour is reasonable. This is not a skilled job that requires professional degrees and licensure, like a teacher does.

Being a nanny should be a skilled job that requires a professional degree like a teacher. The first three years are the most important and having a nanny who is essentially a housekeeper treating the baby like a sack of potatoes is such a waste of potential. I do hope the importance of narration, engagement and sensory exposure become the norm and the profession of being a nanny changes.

No, it shouldn't but if you feel you need to to justify it, go for it. Sensory stuff is a bunch of bunk created by OT's to justify services. Narration and engagement... hmmm... ok.

Go work in the school system and your opinion will change drastically.

I have spent many year working with SN kids and have one. My child has been in years of services and many evaluations/appointments. Your bunk of stimulation is not going to resolve true SN. It helps but its not a cure. There is no cure only supports to get the child as high functioning as possible. Try having your own kid with SN before preaching. Its very different having your own child and being a nanny for 8-10 hours a day. I've been a nanny, babysitter, day care worker, and much more.

Who said anything about SN kids? Sensory exposure is necessary and beneficial to normally developing kids!! Stop your unnecessary preaching!!

Thank you Pp! To the other woman bringing up SN...No one mentioned SN and even you admit it helps so I’m confused why you are on your soapbox spouting nothing.

Ahem. Third page, 6:34 said, and I quote, "If children had a better foundation during the early (gasp!) foundational years (0-3), they would need fewer special ed teachers when they got to school."

Thanks for playing. -NP

Ahem. Learn to actually read...the specific conversation you are referencing was speaking about sensory development and not SN kids until a poster decided to randomly bring it up for their hollow argument. Go play with someone on your level.

You're a charmer. You said no one had mentioned SN, but in fact, someone had.

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Anonymous wrote:people have unrealistic expectations about what $20/hour looks like. i was a nanny up until last year, and now i am a teacher. if i want to work in home instruction i make $47/hour. you are not going to attract a teacher/nanny for $20. i would consider sitting at night with no interaction with the child for $20/hour-just as a warm body. i would not cook, clean, play, or teach for that. i love kids, but you can't expect nanny/babysitting wages to remain stagnant when cost of living does not.

If you have professional degrees and teaching experience, then yes, a parent will pay $47 for a one or two hour session a week or few times a week with their child but very few are going to pay a nanny that much. $20 an hour is reasonable. This is not a skilled job that requires professional degrees and licensure, like a teacher does.

Being a nanny should be a skilled job that requires a professional degree like a teacher. The first three years are the most important and having a nanny who is essentially a housekeeper treating the baby like a sack of potatoes is such a waste of potential. I do hope the importance of narration, engagement and sensory exposure become the norm and the profession of being a nanny changes.

No, it shouldn't but if you feel you need to to justify it, go for it. Sensory stuff is a bunch of bunk created by OT's to justify services. Narration and engagement... hmmm... ok.

Go work in the school system and your opinion will change drastically.

I have spent many year working with SN kids and have one. My child has been in years of services and many evaluations/appointments. Your bunk of stimulation is not going to resolve true SN. It helps but its not a cure. There is no cure only supports to get the child as high functioning as possible. Try having your own kid with SN before preaching. Its very different having your own child and being a nanny for 8-10 hours a day. I've been a nanny, babysitter, day care worker, and much more.

Who said anything about SN kids? Sensory exposure is necessary and beneficial to normally developing kids!! Stop your unnecessary preaching!!

Thank you Pp! To the other woman bringing up SN...No one mentioned SN and even you admit it helps so I’m confused why you are on your soapbox spouting nothing.

Ahem. Third page, 6:34 said, and I quote, "If children had a better foundation during the early (gasp!) foundational years (0-3), they would need fewer special ed teachers when they got to school."

Thanks for playing. -NP

Ahem. Learn to actually read...the specific conversation you are referencing was speaking about sensory development and not SN kids until a poster decided to randomly bring it up for their hollow argument. Go play with someone on your level.

You're a charmer. You said no one had mentioned SN, but in fact, someone had.

No they did not, PP. Needing a Special Education teacher does not necessarily mean the child is Special Needs. My son had sensory issues and a weakness on his left side and saw a special education teacher for five months.

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If children had a better foundation during the early (gasp!) foundational years (0-3), they would need fewer special ed teachers when they got to school.

Early investment in your child's development can avoid unnecessary problems later on.

Think about it. And here's a hint: If someone wants to put your child in front of the idiot box, fire them. Your child deserves better.

Here's my original post about special ed teachers.
No one can argue with what I said.

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:Ever hear of "The Hell of American Daycare"? Google it. Neglectful early childhood can have awful consequences. It doesn't have to be direct abuse, per se. It can be unindended neglect.

*unintended neglect