Going rate increase from 1 to 2 children (oldest is 2)?

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:
Hint:
No one doubles their workload for a 5% raise, or even a 13% raise. Not every nanny is that stupid, but you are right. Some of them are.

A nanny's workload does not double when an additional child is added to the family. Instead, the attention available to each child and to household chores diminishes.

Don't you educate yourself? "Helicopters" are a detriment, NOT an asset. Most of us understand that simple concept.

This is totally irrelevant. First, the research you refer to focused on parents who micromanage the lives of their college-aged children. Requiring daily check-ins and monitoring the spending of a 19 year old is a far cry from providing an infant or toddler with one-on-one adult interaction. Second, even if we accept your assumption that nannies who care for one child are helicopter nannies and that this is bad for the child, that would still not speak to the argument that a nanny's workload does not double when an additional child is added to the family.

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:
Hint:
No one doubles their workload for a 5% raise, or even a 13% raise. Not every nanny is that stupid, but you are right. Some of them are.

A nanny's workload does not double when an additional child is added to the family. Instead, the attention available to each child and to household chores diminishes.

Don't you educate yourself? "Helicopters" are a detriment, NOT an asset. Most of us understand that simple concept.

This is totally irrelevant. First, the research you refer to focused on parents who micromanage the lives of their college-aged children. Requiring daily check-ins and monitoring the spending of a 19 year old is a far cry from providing an infant or toddler with one-on-one adult interaction. Second, even if we accept your assumption that nannies who care for one child are helicopter nannies and that this is bad for the child, that would still not speak to the argument that a nanny's workload does not double when an additional child is added to the family.

You are so far off base, that it's not even worth my time to bother with you.

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:
Hint:
No one doubles their workload for a 5% raise, or even a 13% raise. Not every nanny is that stupid, but you are right. Some of them are.

A nanny's workload does not double when an additional child is added to the family. Instead, the attention available to each child and to household chores diminishes.

Don't you educate yourself? "Helicopters" are a detriment, NOT an asset. Most of us understand that simple concept.

This is totally irrelevant. First, the research you refer to focused on parents who micromanage the lives of their college-aged children. Requiring daily check-ins and monitoring the spending of a 19 year old is a far cry from providing an infant or toddler with one-on-one adult interaction. Second, even if we accept your assumption that nannies who care for one child are helicopter nannies and that this is bad for the child, that would still not speak to the argument that a nanny's workload does not double when an additional child is added to the family.

You are so far off base, that it's not even worth my time to bother with you.

Right back at you, Crazy Comma Nanny!

[Anonymous]

You idiots are responding to the wrong thread. This is not the helicopter thread.

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:It's a myth that a nanny's workload doubles with a new baby.

$1-2/hr is standard raise and very fair.

Is that what you get paid??

I am not the poster above, but I agree that $1-2 is standard for a new baby raise. As for the person who questioned if that is what the PP gets paid, that's not really relevant unless the PP is a nanny. Rates in the nanny field are driven by supply and demand in the nanny market, not by pay scales at the parents' jobs.

Nevertheless, it is worth noting that a nanny who goes from $15 per hour to $17 per hour based on the added responsibility of a new baby has just received a raise of more than 13%. That would be considered a fabulous increase in most jobs where the workload increased due to changing employer needs but fell short of being an entirely different job or promotion.

You're new here, huh? Newborn care IS a different job than caring for toddlers and older children. Hence the popularity of baby nurses and now, newborn care specialists. Of course you may belong to the "anyone can do it" camp. Good luck to you. I've witnessed parents who struggled with how to hold their baby, let anything more advanced than that, like feeding, calming a screaming baby, etc.

Your apples and oranges comparason resulting in a 13% raise, is ignorant, at best.

All you need to do is ask any FT mommy how's it going after the addition of baby #2 (or 3), if you know any...

[Anonymous]

Well there were a few issues here but in general the prices noted are pretty accurate- a few parents quoted the $15-$17 range for the starting rate which is right on for a beginner Nanny with very little to no experience.

Even candidates with no experience usually won't entertain a full-time Nanny position for anything less than a minimum rate of $15 per hr for 1 child-especially around here unless you hire a very young girl (you could try less but none of the women we interviewed - most of them young and right out of college, or in their early twenties- would consider less than $15 beginning rate). The rate goes up from there depending on a host of variables and typically goes up to $20-$25 for more experienced Nannies.

The highest I've heard of was $30 per hr but thats definitely not common- most families have younger Nannies in their 20's and 30's so that isn't typically a rate seen unless its an older Nanny or a wealthy high profile family paying the nanny $60,000 or more a year salary which is only found through agencies.

For most average families the rates can be anywhere in between $15-$25- the $2 -$3 extra per child is different depending on age but I've never heard of $1 more per child- that's really low.

[Anonymous]

Don't know what the PP is on about...we had a great nanny with nearly 20 yrs of experience, and she was happy at $15/hr.

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:Don't know what the PP is on about...we had a great nanny with nearly 20 yrs of experience, and she was happy at $15/hr.

So she was 40 or 50 years old. Who was supporting her at that age?

[Anonymous]

7:02 is the bitter nanny who thinks that she should be paid $20+/hr with a $10/hr raise for a second baby. She also wants free time to surf the internet while baby naps, free food of her choosing (she'll just put her requests on your grocery list), paid healthcare, and regular raises based on what she perceives you are worth and what she thinks you should afford. And don't forget, guaranteed hours, all Fed holidays (whether you get them or not) and at least 2 weeks a year (one of her choosing). She also wants a car and her cell phone paid, but she might take your job if those aren't in your package.

In the real world. a $1-2/hr new baby raise is very generous. If your nanny has a fit over it, get a new nanny.

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:7:02 is the bitter nanny who thinks that she should be paid $20+/hr with a $10/hr raise for a second baby. She also wants free time to surf the internet while baby naps, free food of her choosing (she'll just put her requests on your grocery list), paid healthcare, and regular raises based on what she perceives you are worth and what she thinks you should afford. And don't forget, guaranteed hours, all Fed holidays (whether you get them or not) and at least 2 weeks a year (one of her choosing). She also wants a car and her cell phone paid, but she might take your job if those aren't in your package.

In the real world. a $1-2/hr new baby raise is very generous. If your nanny has a fit over it, get a new nanny.

You forgot her first-class international airline tickets, vacation destination of her choosing.

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:Don't know what the PP is on about...we had a great nanny with nearly 20 yrs of experience, and she was happy at $15/hr.

So she was 40 or 50 years old. Who was supporting her at that age?

I presume she was supporting herself, and at 50 years of age, I expect her to be financially literate enough to know how much to charge and how to budget.

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:Don't know what the PP is on about...we had a great nanny with nearly 20 yrs of experience, and she was happy at $15/hr.

So she was 40 or 50 years old. Who was supporting her at that age?

I presume she was supporting herself, and at 50 years of age, I expect her to be financially literate enough to know how much to charge and how to budget.

You are 10:13? I think not. Otherwise you'd know if she was supporting herself on your 15/hr., or not.

[Anonymous]

How the nanny budgets and supports herself isn't the employer's business! The nanny's personal life is just that, personal.

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:How the nanny budgets and supports herself isn't the employer's business! The nanny's personal life is just that, personal.

...except everytime you have to find a new nanny (for whatever reason), your child's stability gets sacrificed. And that's your problem.

[Anonymous]

[quote=Anonymous][quote=Anonymous]It's a myth that a nanny's workload doubles with a new baby.

$1-2/hr is standard raise and very fair.[/quote]
Is that what you get paid??[/quote]

MB here. Actually, yes. As a salaried employee I don't get a 50% increase in my salary during high workload periods. And for the last two years I've gotten 2-3% raises. I thought a nanny was getting paid for her time, not piecewise per diaper change, etc. So while I can see thinking that $1/hour might be too small in some cases, the idea that it is double the workload and therefore double the salary is totally silly.

I am interested in this question too. Do any other nannies care to comment on how this worked for them and how they felt about it ? If you really did get a doubling of your salary (or some other big increase) or if you left because you felt the job was too much for what you were being offered that's fine, but I'm guessing that real info is much more useful than abstract outrage.