So, we are kind of in a pickle. Sorry, it will be long, but I think that I need to provide full background. My nanny has been with us for two years now. Overall, she is good, but there are some things that in our minds she doesn't do well. We gave her a lot of feedback in July (and actually did not increase her salary because there was kind of a lot of negative feedback, though we did not tie the two, just gave her the review). She said that she understood, and promised to do better. In the last two months, some days were GREAT, and some days she was in bad mood, grumpy and made some mistakes, and the biggest "infraction" I addressed with her the next day after it happened. Last 4 working days were great. So, while she is I think good, if she quits I would not be very sad.
Based on where we are, she has to drive the kids around quite a bit. We provide a van for her for all kid transportation. I have told her a couple of times in the course of the year, when I notices things like "I think in this situation you drove too fast", or "I saw you cutting that turn very closely". In all cases she would explain that she thought that was safe, but she would be more careful in the future. She had 2 accidents in the last 6 month in our car with kids in it: one was in our driveway, and one on the road (with insurance and another driver involved, no injuries). She apologized for each accident, put the first one to fully not thinking and the second one claiming that she expected the other driver to turn. The second accident was determined by police to be her fault, but they did NOT issue a reckless driving ticket. So just an accident. Stuff happens. Also, she is in mid-thirties, American, grew up in rural/suburban areas, so has been driving from teenage years. So it is not like she doesn't have driving experience. Now to the current dilemma: we participate in kids "car pool" from school, where one family picks up and drives 2-3 kids from nearby school and families take turns. So the moms in the car pool just informed me that they don't consider my nanny be a safe driver, and don't want her driving their kids. It is all about her speed, and they gave me a few examples when she was speeding enough for them to feel to make the determination. They had no information about the accidents (though they could have seen the beat up van). I understand them and don't think they are crazy. I solved the car pool by having my father now doing my portion of the car pool, but needless to say, I now worry about my kids, and whether my driving standards for nanny are not stringent enough. My husband thinks that the nanny is just always running late, for everything, and tries to compensate that with speed. For example, she is notoriously 5-8 minutes late every morning, so when we see her in the AM going down our street pretty fast, she is speeding. Also, with the car pool, she was always late to school (my DD constantly complained that they are the last ones being picked up), and there was actually no reason for nanny to be late for those pick ups, mostly it was that she was leaving a bit late for the pick ups with no good reason. I have to tell something to the nanny on Tuesday, because she totally expects me to tell her what are our days for the car pool. I also now don't think quite safe with her driving the youngest one to preschool/parks. After discussing with DH, I'm thinking to propose the following: 1. We will tell our and neighbors' concerns about her driving to the nanny. 2. We will put one of these dash cams/devices in our car that measures speed and records driver moves. It is our car after all. My dad has a device in his car and he likes it (he just put that for fun, but mostly to have proof against tickets). 3. We will tell the nanny that ignoring traffic laws (speeding >5 miles per hour) will be grounds for dismissal. 4. If nanny quits, she quits, no harm done. I'll even pay her for two weeks. What do you all think? How offended would you be if the family did something like this (also given two accidents)? My biggest fear that she will be offended, not say anything to us, stay, and my kids have grumpy and constantly annoyed nanny. However, firing her seems to be very cruel, because if any reference calls me and asks about her driving, I would then need to tell them everything, so basically her chances of getting a nanny job involving driving are slim, and we all live in suburbia so driving is pretty much a must... Am I also being too nice? Would you just fire her? The thing is if driving is an issue, another nanny might have other bad driving habits (like texting). This nanny had an OK diriving records that I pulled when we hired her 2 years ago (I think like 1 ticket in 5 years, no accidents). |
I personally think that you may be being too nice but I also appreciate how you are trying to be fair in the situation. Nannies should be keeping children safe at all times, not endanger them. Accidents happen and no one is perfect but if you can pinpoint her recklessness with a dashcam and then terminate her then it will give you more reason to fire her. Overall, however, I feel like you already have enough evidence of recklessness to let her go. |
She's already at at least 3 strikes between 2 accidents with your car and the combined feedback from everyone involved in the car pool and you kids about her driving. What exactly would it take for you to consider her a bad enough driver to stop putting your kids in the car with her? An actual accident with someone injured? Then how would you feel?
If you want to give her one more chance, sure - get whatever monitoring technology that you think will give you more confidence in her monitoring her driving, but if she's been driving this way for 20 years the habits may be too ingrained to break. If you do decide to keep her for driving your kids, I would not hesitate to be completely honest with her about why she's not driving in the carpool. At least she'll understand that this is a serious issue and not something that she can just try to brush aside. Our nanny was in an accident with our baby in the car (not her fault). The baby was fine, but it was a wake-up call to remind me that these things can definitely happen and one of our jobs as parents is to try to keep our kids out of harms way. |
Personally when it comes to your children, you can never be too cautious.
Ever. I strongly advise you to let this nanny go since it appears that driving is a large part of the job requirement. You will never forgive yourself if anything ever happened to your children simply because you didn't want to offend your nanny. |
MB here. I think you should hire a new nanny. This one is not safe and not reliable. If your dad weren't around to do carpool duty then you'd have had to hire a separate person to do it. That's ridiculous. |
+1. Why are you repeatedly putting your children at risk? I wouldn't be able to go about my day knowing it might be the last day I see my children alive. |
Nanny here. Riding in a car is the most statistically dangerous thing that most kids do regularly. Anyone who isn't viewing that as a major safety concern would be a dealbreaker for me. I think you should just let her go. |
If you fire her, which you should chances are she won't be using you as a reference. |
I would have fired her after the first accident.
Lady, safety of your kids vs. nanny being offended? Where are your priorities? Yes it'll suck to tell her that you will have to tell other prospective family employers of her driving issues. She can take a defensive driving course etc. no excuse. I bet you have a super safe car seat etc, which is all for nothing if your nanny is an unsafe driver!!! |
This. If this isn't a nanny's attitude about driving, it never will be. You could have one more very serious, very clear, specific talk with her and install all the monitoring equipment, but I think it's a risk. You need to also tell her that you think the problem is that she's always running late, and that she needs to figure that piece out, too. In other words, to keep her job, she needs to maintain the speed limit and still get the kids where they need to be on time. Then in two weeks, you can have the awkward conversation and fire her. My nanny had a major speeding ticket when we hired her (20+ miles over the speed limit on the freeway). Because it was not her first speeding ticket, she had even lost her license for a time. We were very concerned, but she told us about it ahead of time and assured us she had learned a lesson. She also made it clear that she understood the danger for children in the car. Because of that ticket and suspension, I added to her contract a clause about safe driving and maintaining her license. I will keep that clause in the contract on the future, because I do think it's one of the most safety-related issues you have to deal with. |
OP here. Thanks everyone. I guess I was influenced by my DH who really thinks she is the best nanny we had... She does love my youngest DD as her own and YDD is really attached to her and this was the number one reason I had doubts about letting her go. Yes, safety is number one priority, so I guess it is time to look for another nanny. Thanks for the reassurance. |
You're welcome, glad you sre things clearer. Love is great and all but you're paying for a safe caretaker for your child. |
This doesn't bother your DH at all? Is he also a speeder and stop-sign runner? |
Did you nanny wreck your large sub when trying to pull into the garage? |
Ha! I was the nanny who did that and I am NOT a speeder. |