Clearances and Non-citizens?

[Anonymous]

If I hold an active security clearance, can I hire a live-in nanny with a valid F1 Visa? Just asking so I don't get anyone in trouble. Totally plan on paying taxes on income, ect. Any experience with this cleared moms?!

[Anonymous]

An F1 visa generally doesn't allow work off campus unless you show hardship or something like that. Or are you trying to qualify the job as "practical training" (relevant for getting a degree)? If is very rare that it is legal for f1 to be allowed to work as a nanny. Also, even if you get a waiver, F1 legally can't work more than 20 hrs per week, unless it is "practical training".

Now, au pair (who will get j1 visa) is another deal. Clearances are different -- talk to your security people.We decided to hire a citizen live out nanny after Talking to security people.

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:An F1 visa generally doesn't allow work off campus unless you show hardship or something like that. Or are you trying to qualify the job as "practical training" (relevant for getting a degree)? If is very rare that it is legal for f1 to be allowed to work as a nanny. Also, even if you get a waiver, F1 legally can't work more than 20 hrs per week, unless it is "practical training".

Now, au pair (who will get j1 visa) is another deal. Clearances are different -- talk to your security people.We decided to hire a citizen live out nanny after Talking to security people.

OP here. Thanks for the follow-up! I was wondering if she even knew the laws about getting a student visa and working?? Good info to have. Appreciate it!

[Anonymous]

F-1 is strictly a student visa. She cannot legally work as a nanny under any circumstances while on this visa, though many do it under the table.
In limited circumstances, F-1 holders may work but it has to related to their field of study. If she works as a nanny and gets caught she will be in trouble.

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:If I hold an active security clearance, can I hire a live-in nanny with a valid F1 Visa? Just asking so I don't get anyone in trouble. Totally plan on paying taxes on income, ect. Any experience with this cleared moms?!

A valid F-1 visa allows the person to study (at a particular institution). They are generally prohibited from working, unless it's on campus or under practical training (which wouldn't be for a nanny position, but rather for something related to her major, and it would have to be sponsored by her university).

It doesn't matter if you plan on paying taxes. Tax compliance and immigration compliance are two separate things overseen by two separate agencies. You (or her) paying taxes on the income she receives does not make it legal for her to work. She needs to be authorized to work to begin with, and it doesn't sound like she is.

I'm telling you this as someone who held a bunch of jobs I wasn't "really" supposed to have, and paid taxes on all of them, with a clear understanding that I'm being naughty and that paying taxes on what I make doesn't make it legal for me to make it.

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:If I hold an active security clearance, can I hire a live-in nanny with a valid F1 Visa? Just asking so I don't get anyone in trouble. Totally plan on paying taxes on income, ect. Any experience with this cleared moms?!

A valid F-1 visa allows the person to study (at a particular institution). They are generally prohibited from working, unless it's on campus or under practical training (which wouldn't be for a nanny position, but rather for something related to her major, and it would have to be sponsored by her university).

It doesn't matter if you plan on paying taxes. Tax compliance and immigration compliance are two separate things overseen by two separate agencies. You (or her) paying taxes on the income she receives does not make it legal for her to work. She needs to be authorized to work to begin with, and it doesn't sound like she is.

I'm telling you this as someone who held a bunch of jobs I wasn't "really" supposed to have, and paid taxes on all of them, with a clear understanding that I'm being naughty and that paying taxes on what I make doesn't make it legal for me to make it.

So are you here legally now?

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:If I hold an active security clearance, can I hire a live-in nanny with a valid F1 Visa? Just asking so I don't get anyone in trouble. Totally plan on paying taxes on income, ect. Any experience with this cleared moms?!

A valid F-1 visa allows the person to study (at a particular institution). They are generally prohibited from working, unless it's on campus or under practical training (which wouldn't be for a nanny position, but rather for something related to her major, and it would have to be sponsored by her university).

It doesn't matter if you plan on paying taxes. Tax compliance and immigration compliance are two separate things overseen by two separate agencies. You (or her) paying taxes on the income she receives does not make it legal for her to work. She needs to be authorized to work to begin with, and it doesn't sound like she is.

I'm telling you this as someone who held a bunch of jobs I wasn't "really" supposed to have, and paid taxes on all of them, with a clear understanding that I'm being naughty and that paying taxes on what I make doesn't make it legal for me to make it.

So are you here legally now?

By now, yes. I always loved money too much to turn jobs down, legal or not.

[Anonymous]

PS: I was always here legally. Being here legally and being able to work any job you want is not the same thing.

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:PS: I was always here legally. Being here legally and being able to work any job you want is not the same thing.

Agreed.

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:If I hold an active security clearance, can I hire a live-in nanny with a valid F1 Visa? Just asking so I don't get anyone in trouble. Totally plan on paying taxes on income, ect. Any experience with this cleared moms?!

A valid F-1 visa allows the person to study (at a particular institution). They are generally prohibited from working, unless it's on campus or under practical training (which wouldn't be for a nanny position, but rather for something related to her major, and it would have to be sponsored by her university).

It doesn't matter if you plan on paying taxes. Tax compliance and immigration compliance are two separate things overseen by two separate agencies. You (or her) paying taxes on the income she receives does not make it legal for her to work. She needs to be authorized to work to begin with, and it doesn't sound like she is.

I'm telling you this as someone who held a bunch of jobs I wasn't "really" supposed to have, and paid taxes on all of them, with a clear understanding that I'm being naughty and that paying taxes on what I make doesn't make it legal for me to make it.

OP again. Thanks for the clarification. You would be amazed (or maybe not...) at how many live-in candidates either don't understand this law, or think that it doesn't apply to them. Case in point, I asked one very nice girl what visa she held, and when she said F1, I gave her this info. She told me that her school's admission office told her that she could work since she has a SSN and has been paying taxes for 2.5 years.

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:If I hold an active security clearance, can I hire a live-in nanny with a valid F1 Visa? Just asking so I don't get anyone in trouble. Totally plan on paying taxes on income, ect. Any experience with this cleared moms?!

A valid F-1 visa allows the person to study (at a particular institution). They are generally prohibited from working, unless it's on campus or under practical training (which wouldn't be for a nanny position, but rather for something related to her major, and it would have to be sponsored by her university).

It doesn't matter if you plan on paying taxes. Tax compliance and immigration compliance are two separate things overseen by two separate agencies. You (or her) paying taxes on the income she receives does not make it legal for her to work. She needs to be authorized to work to begin with, and it doesn't sound like she is.

I'm telling you this as someone who held a bunch of jobs I wasn't "really" supposed to have, and paid taxes on all of them, with a clear understanding that I'm being naughty and that paying taxes on what I make doesn't make it legal for me to make it.

OP again. Thanks for the clarification. You would be amazed (or maybe not...) at how many live-in candidates either don't understand this law, or think that it doesn't apply to them. Case in point, I asked one very nice girl what visa she held, and when she said F1, I gave her this info. She told me that her school's admission office told her that she could work since she has a SSN and has been paying taxes for 2.5 years.

OP, I'm the poster you're responding to. The girl you interviewed may be very nice but believe me when I tell you that she (and everyone else!) knows perfectly well what they are and are not supposed to do. If she has an F-1, her SSN card, just like mine was, is annotated in big fat letters "NOT VALID TO WORK WITHOUT INS AUTHORIZATION". It couldn't get any clearer than that. If she claims her admissions office told her she's OK to work, she's lying. All F-1 students undergo an orientation upon arrival that spells these things out in crystal-clear fashion. What it is is that she wants to work and make some extra money. So she says something to you in hopes you believe it. An SSN means less than nothing when it comes to work authorization. You can be here on a visa that bans you from working completely and still have an SSN. It's just a way of identifying you. Nothing else. Taxes are another thing entirely.

[Anonymous]

If people can hire illegal workers / Nannie yes you can hire F1 visa students at least they entered here legally.

BTW I have seen/ known so many undocumented nannies hired by families everywhere so I don't see any issue hiring F1 Visa students.

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:If people can hire illegal workers / Nannie yes you can hire F1 visa students at least they entered here legally.

BTW I have seen/ known so many undocumented nannies hired by families everywhere so I don't see any issue hiring F1 Visa students.

Do you have a clearance? If not, you couldn't possibly understand.

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:If people can hire illegal workers / Nannie yes you can hire F1 visa students at least they entered here legally.

BTW I have seen/ known so many undocumented nannies hired by families everywhere so I don't see any issue hiring F1 Visa students.

Do you have a clearance? If n
ot, you couldn't possibly understand.

Why you need clearance? When people are ready to hire undocumented people.
BTW I am US citizen.

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:If people can hire illegal workers / Nannie yes you can hire F1 visa students at least they entered here legally.

BTW I have seen/ known so many undocumented nannies hired by families everywhere so I don't see any issue hiring F1 Visa students.

Do you have a clearance? If n
ot, you couldn't possibly understand.

Why you need clearance? When people are ready to hire undocumented people.
BTW I am US citizen.

Not OP, but married to someone who does have a clearance. To PP...if you DON'T know what clearance means why are you posting on this thread??!