PTO: What is your arrangement

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Anonymous wrote:Unlimited sick time and pto, but that only works with a conscientious person.

I don't see how unlimited PTO works in this situation. Unlimited PTO works in employers where there's a clear deliverable, and an expectation that an employee will manage their workload so that it still gets done. It's common in the tech industry where employers don't care when code gets written, and work can be done at home. Unless the parent has some kind of super flexible job, there's just no way a nanny can do that, since their work is too time dependent, and can't be done from home.

As a nanny employer, if my nanny had some health care emergency that required more sick leave than was written into the contract, I could give it. But I can't see writing unlimited into a contract.

Unlimited PTO works in other ways too, which is why I said it only works with a conscientious person, i.e. someone who wouldn't up and announce she is taking 20 weeks of leave. Our nanny doesn't really have a formal leave arrangement with us when it comes to leave. She tells us when she'd like to be off, with ample notice, and I've always said yes. It typically adds up to 4 to 6 weeks a year, which is manageable. And because she's a conscientious person, she doesn't ask for an unreasonable time.

Your example doesn’t prove your point. I don’t think most people consider 4-6 weeks of paid leave manageable or the nanny who requested such leave ito be conscientious.

It's manageable as to our family situation. She doesn't take it in one chunk, naturally. It's usually two weeks in summer and 2-4 weeks over winter holidays. We cannot do four to six weeks in one chunk, but spread over the year it's not a big deal.

[Anonymous]

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Anonymous wrote:Her PTO should be of her choosing, not yours as this is not PTO. Your employer may have to approve your time off but does not tell you when you have to take it.

Oh, please. There are plenty of places that shut down the last two weeks of the year, which is unpaid unless the employee uses his/her leave.

Factories close. There are no factories in this area,!

There are also fields like education where employees have breaks in employment, and reduced PTO. Generally teachers have 1 - 2 days of unrestricted PTO a year.

[Anonymous]

We give our nanny all federal holidays Plus Friday after TG and Christmas Eve, week between Christmas and New Years, and another 1.5 weeks of her choosing. During COVID we have decided to give unlimited sick time so she never has to worry about getting paid or coming to work sick if she’s out of sick leave.

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:We give our nanny all federal holidays Plus Friday after TG and Christmas Eve, week between Christmas and New Years, and another 1.5 weeks of her choosing. During COVID we have decided to give unlimited sick time so she never has to worry about getting paid or coming to work sick if she’s out of sick leave.

This is what we do. And when shes asked for a friday or monday off hete and there for 3 day weekends i just gave her the day paid and didn't count against her pto. She needs a break too and i have leave at my work to do this.

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:I'm the OP of the teacher post. You guys are making me feel better about what I think we can offer.

I was assuming that I'd offer. I'll be honest that I'm basically copying from my own employer.

10 month contract. 40 hours a week guaranteed.

3 days at Thanksgiving

2 weeks at Christmas

6 or 7 days at Easter (whatever we're closed for, it varies)

All other federal holidays except for Veteran's Day, which for some reason we don't get off.

Any day when the county we're in is closed due to weather.

1 day PTO a month, with the understanding that it's for sick leave or things that can't be rescheduled. So, things like PT conference for your kid, or emergency visit from repair guy, or attending a close family member's wedding, or dropping your kid at college are fine, but a weeklong cruise in February isn't.

Unused PTO paid out at the end of the 10 month contract.

Does that seem reasonable? I can't really imagine offering less than I get, that doesn't seem fair, but I also can't afford to give more.

With that kind of a deal, can I get away with not offering the week of your choice? The one place I would most worry would be a nanny who had their own child, because my school's spring break is usually different, and I could see a parent wanting to be off the same times as their child. But if that came up, I think we could figure out something, maybe offer a week of unpaid leave and use that money to fly in a grandparent.

So, this person is not supposed to take any actual vacations, aside from Christmas and thanksgiving and easter - just one day holidays. This may not be unreasonable, but many people might want an actual vacation, particularly in summer months. Maybe that is the 10 month contract part?