Nanny Black Friday?

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Anonymous wrote:I know zero families who ask their nannies to work on the day after Thanksgiving. Many even write it into their agreements as a holiday. Sometimes it is in lieu of another holiday, such as Columbus Day, and other times it is just an additional holiday.

Very few jobs give black friday off as a holiday. Parents must take leave or flex. We work tomorrow.

I understand. That doesn't refute what I wrote, though. I worked in the industry for many years and part of my job was writing the nanny-family agreements. Almost 100% of the families included the day after Thanksgiving as a paid holiday.

That's great if they do, but it should not be an exception as it is NOT a federal holiday but rather a vacation day for most. To tell everyone it is a paid holiday for child care staff is silly given your providing care is based on the employer having employment (in less they are wealthy) and if they work, you work.

I assume you meant to say that it should not be an expectation. OP asked whether it was reasonable to ask the nanny to work on the day after Thanksgiving. I was explaining to her why a nanny might be surprised by this request. If one works in an industry where a certain day is typically treated as a paid holiday, it is not unreasonable for one to be put off by a request to work on that day.

That does not mean every family needs to treat the day after Thanksgiving as a paid holiday, that is not what I was saying at all. I never "told everyone it was a paid holiday". Good grief.

Each family can determine their needs and go from there.

Yes, it was reasonable to ask the nanny to work. Nanny got sick. OP agreed to let her off and be decent about it. She wanted to do a trial day to make sure everything is ok. OP suggested Friday. Nanny said it is a holiday. It is not a holiday. I don't know any industries where it is a paid holiday. I know some employers trade Black Friday for other federal holidays but it still isn't a federal holiday.

OP needs a trial day. Yes, it was reasonable.

Again, I never said it was a federal holiday. Why are you so determined to argue with me? It's okay for OP to ask the nanny to work that day, and it is okay for the nanny to decline. She might be accustomed to having the day off because of the industry she is in. She might have family in town. Or she simply might have already made other commitments she doesn't want to break, who knows. No one is making the assertion that it is a federal holiday.

Nannies typically have the day off. That's a fact. That doesn't mean it was wrong of the OP to ask the nanny to work that day, especially considering her scheduling conflicts regarding other days. It sounds like the nanny also had scheduling conflicts for today.

You sound very entitled to think a shopping day is a holiday. Its great if an employer is off and can give a nanny off but it is not a holiday, but a work day.

It is actually a holiday for many, whether you like it or not.

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Anonymous wrote:I know zero families who ask their nannies to work on the day after Thanksgiving. Many even write it into their agreements as a holiday. Sometimes it is in lieu of another holiday, such as Columbus Day, and other times it is just an additional holiday.

Very few jobs give black friday off as a holiday. Parents must take leave or flex. We work tomorrow.

I understand. That doesn't refute what I wrote, though. I worked in the industry for many years and part of my job was writing the nanny-family agreements. Almost 100% of the families included the day after Thanksgiving as a paid holiday.

That's great if they do, but it should not be an exception as it is NOT a federal holiday but rather a vacation day for most. To tell everyone it is a paid holiday for child care staff is silly given your providing care is based on the employer having employment (in less they are wealthy) and if they work, you work.

I assume you meant to say that it should not be an expectation. OP asked whether it was reasonable to ask the nanny to work on the day after Thanksgiving. I was explaining to her why a nanny might be surprised by this request. If one works in an industry where a certain day is typically treated as a paid holiday, it is not unreasonable for one to be put off by a request to work on that day.

That does not mean every family needs to treat the day after Thanksgiving as a paid holiday, that is not what I was saying at all. I never "told everyone it was a paid holiday". Good grief.

Each family can determine their needs and go from there.

Yes, it was reasonable to ask the nanny to work. Nanny got sick. OP agreed to let her off and be decent about it. She wanted to do a trial day to make sure everything is ok. OP suggested Friday. Nanny said it is a holiday. It is not a holiday. I don't know any industries where it is a paid holiday. I know some employers trade Black Friday for other federal holidays but it still isn't a federal holiday.

OP needs a trial day. Yes, it was reasonable.

Again, I never said it was a federal holiday. Why are you so determined to argue with me? It's okay for OP to ask the nanny to work that day, and it is okay for the nanny to decline. She might be accustomed to having the day off because of the industry she is in. She might have family in town. Or she simply might have already made other commitments she doesn't want to break, who knows. No one is making the assertion that it is a federal holiday.

Nannies typically have the day off. That's a fact. That doesn't mean it was wrong of the OP to ask the nanny to work that day, especially considering her scheduling conflicts regarding other days. It sounds like the nanny also had scheduling conflicts for today.

You sound very entitled to think a shopping day is a holiday. Its great if an employer is off and can give a nanny off but it is not a holiday, but a work day.

It is actually a holiday for many, whether you like it or not.

No its not. Its a vacation day or some companies give it off in exchange for another holiday like Veteran's Day. Its not a holiday. Please show me proof it is a federal holiday.

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Anonymous wrote:OP is a troll.
Nanny is supposed to work Monday Tuesday Thursday.
OP claims nanny is supposed to start Wednesday.

Those two statements contradict each other.
If nanny is supposed to start next week AFTER Wednesday, have her come in Monday or Tuesday as a trial day. It isn't rocket science.

Wow you're slow. I said my nanny works M, T, TH but will be starting next week Wednesday. This week we were going to do a trial day Monday 11/21. She was sick and couldn't do Tuesday or Wednesday, so we asked for her to work Friday ( today). We are out out of town for Monday and Tuesday so we can't do M, T of this week. We wanted a fast trial day to see how the nanny interacts with the baby. You shouldn't try to call someone a troll when you're too slow to comprehend. You know what they say when you assume..

If she works M, T, TH, why do you have her starting on Wednesday of next week?
How were we supposed to know you were going out of town next week? You sound like a nightmare.

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Anonymous wrote:I know zero families who ask their nannies to work on the day after Thanksgiving. Many even write it into their agreements as a holiday. Sometimes it is in lieu of another holiday, such as Columbus Day, and other times it is just an additional holiday.

Very few jobs give black friday off as a holiday. Parents must take leave or flex. We work tomorrow.

I understand. That doesn't refute what I wrote, though. I worked in the industry for many years and part of my job was writing the nanny-family agreements. Almost 100% of the families included the day after Thanksgiving as a paid holiday.

That's great if they do, but it should not be an exception as it is NOT a federal holiday but rather a vacation day for most. To tell everyone it is a paid holiday for child care staff is silly given your providing care is based on the employer having employment (in less they are wealthy) and if they work, you work.

I assume you meant to say that it should not be an expectation. OP asked whether it was reasonable to ask the nanny to work on the day after Thanksgiving. I was explaining to her why a nanny might be surprised by this request. If one works in an industry where a certain day is typically treated as a paid holiday, it is not unreasonable for one to be put off by a request to work on that day.

That does not mean every family needs to treat the day after Thanksgiving as a paid holiday, that is not what I was saying at all. I never "told everyone it was a paid holiday". Good grief.

Each family can determine their needs and go from there.

Yes, it was reasonable to ask the nanny to work. Nanny got sick. OP agreed to let her off and be decent about it. She wanted to do a trial day to make sure everything is ok. OP suggested Friday. Nanny said it is a holiday. It is not a holiday. I don't know any industries where it is a paid holiday. I know some employers trade Black Friday for other federal holidays but it still isn't a federal holiday.

OP needs a trial day. Yes, it was reasonable.

Again, I never said it was a federal holiday. Why are you so determined to argue with me? It's okay for OP to ask the nanny to work that day, and it is okay for the nanny to decline. She might be accustomed to having the day off because of the industry she is in. She might have family in town. Or she simply might have already made other commitments she doesn't want to break, who knows. No one is making the assertion that it is a federal holiday.

Nannies typically have the day off. That's a fact. That doesn't mean it was wrong of the OP to ask the nanny to work that day, especially considering her scheduling conflicts regarding other days. It sounds like the nanny also had scheduling conflicts for today.

You sound very entitled to think a shopping day is a holiday. Its great if an employer is off and can give a nanny off but it is not a holiday, but a work day.

It is actually a holiday for many, whether you like it or not.

No its not. Its a vacation day or some companies give it off in exchange for another holiday like Veteran's Day. Its not a holiday. Please show me proof it is a federal holiday.

Who said it was a "federal" holiday?

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It's not a holiday. It is the day after a holiday (Thanksgiving), and therefore up to the discretion of the nanny's employer. Provide a list of paid holidays upfront when hiring to avoid misunderstanding.

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Anonymous wrote:I know zero families who ask their nannies to work on the day after Thanksgiving. Many even write it into their agreements as a holiday. Sometimes it is in lieu of another holiday, such as Columbus Day, and other times it is just an additional holiday.

Very few jobs give black friday off as a holiday. Parents must take leave or flex. We work tomorrow.

I understand. That doesn't refute what I wrote, though. I worked in the industry for many years and part of my job was writing the nanny-family agreements. Almost 100% of the families included the day after Thanksgiving as a paid holiday.

That's great if they do, but it should not be an exception as it is NOT a federal holiday but rather a vacation day for most. To tell everyone it is a paid holiday for child care staff is silly given your providing care is based on the employer having employment (in less they are wealthy) and if they work, you work.

I assume you meant to say that it should not be an expectation. OP asked whether it was reasonable to ask the nanny to work on the day after Thanksgiving. I was explaining to her why a nanny might be surprised by this request. If one works in an industry where a certain day is typically treated as a paid holiday, it is not unreasonable for one to be put off by a request to work on that day.

That does not mean every family needs to treat the day after Thanksgiving as a paid holiday, that is not what I was saying at all. I never "told everyone it was a paid holiday". Good grief.

Each family can determine their needs and go from there.

Yes, it was reasonable to ask the nanny to work. Nanny got sick. OP agreed to let her off and be decent about it. She wanted to do a trial day to make sure everything is ok. OP suggested Friday. Nanny said it is a holiday. It is not a holiday. I don't know any industries where it is a paid holiday. I know some employers trade Black Friday for other federal holidays but it still isn't a federal holiday.

OP needs a trial day. Yes, it was reasonable.

Again, I never said it was a federal holiday. Why are you so determined to argue with me? It's okay for OP to ask the nanny to work that day, and it is okay for the nanny to decline. She might be accustomed to having the day off because of the industry she is in. She might have family in town. Or she simply might have already made other commitments she doesn't want to break, who knows. No one is making the assertion that it is a federal holiday.

Nannies typically have the day off. That's a fact. That doesn't mean it was wrong of the OP to ask the nanny to work that day, especially considering her scheduling conflicts regarding other days. It sounds like the nanny also had scheduling conflicts for today.

You sound very entitled to think a shopping day is a holiday. Its great if an employer is off and can give a nanny off but it is not a holiday, but a work day.

It is actually a holiday for many, whether you like it or not.

No its not. Its a vacation day or some companies give it off in exchange for another holiday like Veteran's Day. Its not a holiday. Please show me proof it is a federal holiday.

You are nuts. Why does this topic make you so very angry?

If a nanny/family agreement lists the Day After Thanksgiving as a holiday (and many, many of these contracts do), then yes, it s a holiday for that employer and employee.

Who said anything about federal holidays?

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Wait a second OP-you hired a nanny before doing a trial day? You're the slow one.

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My bank is even closed on Black Friday

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Anonymous wrote:My bank is even closed on Black Friday

Do your employers work at your bank? There are lots of companies who are open. We had to work or take leave. We always work as the office is quiet and we can get a lot done.

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Anonymous wrote:I know zero families who ask their nannies to work on the day after Thanksgiving. Many even write it into their agreements as a holiday. Sometimes it is in lieu of another holiday, such as Columbus Day, and other times it is just an additional holiday.

Very few jobs give black friday off as a holiday. Parents must take leave or flex. We work tomorrow.

I understand. That doesn't refute what I wrote, though. I worked in the industry for many years and part of my job was writing the nanny-family agreements. Almost 100% of the families included the day after Thanksgiving as a paid holiday.

That's great if they do, but it should not be an exception as it is NOT a federal holiday but rather a vacation day for most. To tell everyone it is a paid holiday for child care staff is silly given your providing care is based on the employer having employment (in less they are wealthy) and if they work, you work.

I assume you meant to say that it should not be an expectation. OP asked whether it was reasonable to ask the nanny to work on the day after Thanksgiving. I was explaining to her why a nanny might be surprised by this request. If one works in an industry where a certain day is typically treated as a paid holiday, it is not unreasonable for one to be put off by a request to work on that day.

That does not mean every family needs to treat the day after Thanksgiving as a paid holiday, that is not what I was saying at all. I never "told everyone it was a paid holiday". Good grief.

Each family can determine their needs and go from there.

Yes, it was reasonable to ask the nanny to work. Nanny got sick. OP agreed to let her off and be decent about it. She wanted to do a trial day to make sure everything is ok. OP suggested Friday. Nanny said it is a holiday. It is not a holiday. I don't know any industries where it is a paid holiday. I know some employers trade Black Friday for other federal holidays but it still isn't a federal holiday.

OP needs a trial day. Yes, it was reasonable.

Again, I never said it was a federal holiday. Why are you so determined to argue with me? It's okay for OP to ask the nanny to work that day, and it is okay for the nanny to decline. She might be accustomed to having the day off because of the industry she is in. She might have family in town. Or she simply might have already made other commitments she doesn't want to break, who knows. No one is making the assertion that it is a federal holiday.

Nannies typically have the day off. That's a fact. That doesn't mean it was wrong of the OP to ask the nanny to work that day, especially considering her scheduling conflicts regarding other days. It sounds like the nanny also had scheduling conflicts for today.

You sound very entitled to think a shopping day is a holiday. Its great if an employer is off and can give a nanny off but it is not a holiday, but a work day.

It is actually a holiday for many, whether you like it or not.

No its not. Its a vacation day or some companies give it off in exchange for another holiday like Veteran's Day. Its not a holiday. Please show me proof it is a federal holiday.

You are nuts. Why does this topic make you so very angry?

If a nanny/family agreement lists the Day After Thanksgiving as a holiday (and many, many of these contracts do), then yes, it s a holiday for that employer and employee.

Who said anything about federal holidays?

Some are claiming its a holiday, so it was unreasonable for OP to ask the nanny to work. OP nanny canceled due to illness and she wanted to show the nanny around/do a trial day that week. The only day available was Friday. So, the question was, was it reasonable for OP to ask the nanny to work friday? Answer is yes. Nanny said she would not work that day.

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This woman is already a headache and she hasn't even started??!! Good luck. I would fire her.

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Anonymous wrote:This woman is already a headache and she hasn't even started??!! Good luck. I would fire her.

Sounds like two headaches put together. Hopefully said nanny is already looking for another position. This is the very definition of a bad fit.

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You want someone who isn't scheduled to work on Fridays to work the day after thanksgiving because you didn't hire her sooner and therefore don't have any other day to do a trial and shadow day? No way would I work. I have a lot going on for thanksgiving and would not work last minute on the say after thanksgiving.

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Anonymous wrote:You want someone who isn't scheduled to work on Fridays to work the day after thanksgiving because you didn't hire her sooner and therefore don't have any other day to do a trial and shadow day? No way would I work. I have a lot going on for thanksgiving and would not work last minute on the say after thanksgiving.

This. Although, the fact she canceled on Monday and couldn't do T or W is also kind of a problem. It sounds like she never wanted to work last week (she had probably started looking forward to holiday plans while she was job hunting). I understand that, but I also think that if you want a job, and it's a good job, you make the sacrifice to make it happen.

I don't know, OP. It doesn't sound like she's bending over backwards to impress you, but you also hired her on a holiday week, and asked her to work with less than a week's notice. This is probably just a case of bad timing, but you'll have to figure that out.

I would suggest that since you can't do a trial day without taking vacation (it sounds like), that you instead make the first month a trial period. Either party can back out during the 30 days for any reason, no severance or extended notice (two weeks is the right thing to do, though).

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Anonymous wrote:You want someone who isn't scheduled to work on Fridays to work the day after thanksgiving because you didn't hire her sooner and therefore don't have any other day to do a trial and shadow day? No way would I work. I have a lot going on for thanksgiving and would not work last minute on the say after thanksgiving.

This. Although, the fact she canceled on Monday and couldn't do T or W is also kind of a problem. It sounds like she never wanted to work last week (she had probably started looking forward to holiday plans while she was job hunting). I understand that, but I also think that if you want a job, and it's a good job, you make the sacrifice to make it happen.

I don't know, OP. It doesn't sound like she's bending over backwards to impress you, but you also hired her on a holiday week, and asked her to work with less than a week's notice. This is probably just a case of bad timing, but you'll have to figure that out.

I would suggest that since you can't do a trial day without taking vacation (it sounds like), that you instead make the first month a trial period. Either party can back out during the 30 days for any reason, no severance or extended notice (two weeks is the right thing to do, though).

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Seems like the timing may be rushed and difficult around the holidays. Take a half day or late start on her first day so you can get her off to a good start. You should always add a block of time (2-4 weeks) of mutual trial time into the contract.