What are they thinking?

[Anonymous]

What a shame.

Most parents in DC area want the special care but very cheap about it.

They make good money, complain that this area is expnsive as if their nannies commute to their place from Texas or something. Hello? We live in this expensive area too.

DC area parents would pay $100s on massages, haircuts but want a nanny they can slave. No nanny should expect a job that pays less than $20 per hour per child.

And parents, remmeber. A nanny is not a house keeper. A nanny is there to take care, love, nurture and keep your child safe not clean up after your mess.

[Anonymous]

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Anonymous wrote:It's a lot of work to do with three kids in the house. I think it would be okay-ish (though I personally wouldn't apply for this since the only deep cleaning I want to do is my own, and even then want is a strong word!) if the nanny had free hours in the mornings when the kids were at preschool or something like this, but a bunch of little kids only plays nicely together for so long, so all these chores would take ages to do while the nanny has to go settle all their disputes and needs for water, etc.

PP here, I didn't even notice the two dogs as well! Three kids at all times, two dogs, all cooking, deep cleaning and keeping the whole house tidy? I don't see this as doable without having to plop the kids in front of the TV.

Have you ever been a mother?

No. Your point?

My point is that it was obvious you were not a mother, as mothers do this all the time. Manage a house and kids, clean up, educate and guide them. Nothing in this job description is that hard and $1600 plus free housing sounds like a great deal.

FFS. Are you the one who posted the ad?

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:What a shame.

Most parents in DC area want the special care but very cheap about it.

They make good money, complain that this area is expnsive as if their nannies commute to their place from Texas or something. Hello? We live in this expensive area too.

DC area parents would pay $100s on massages, haircuts but want a nanny they can slave. No nanny should expect a job that pays less than $20 per hour per child.

And parents, remmeber. A nanny is not a house keeper. A nanny is there to take care, love, nurture and keep your child safe not clean up after your mess.

$20 per hour per child? You've got to be kidding me. I know it's just a handful of nannies on this site, but they sure work hard at inflating the rate.

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:Found this gem:
Looking for a full time live-in nanny and housekeeper to cook, DEEP clean and keep our home VERY tidy and organized, feed and care for our two dogs and care for our 2 3-year-olds and our 4-year-old from morning until 5:45 p.m. and also get our 6-year-old on the bus at 8 a.m. and off the bus in front of our home at 4:00 p.m. and provide care for her as well. Free room and board plus $400. 00 cash per week, text me to set up an interview.

How in the world is a housekeeper supposed to keep a house VERY tidy, do DEEP cleaning, and still have the time. energy and patience to wrangle 1 6 year old, 1 4 year old and 3 year old twins? I frequently do extra chores when kids are asleep, but I'm not scrubbing showers or doing anything else that can't be left when kids get up!

And for all of that, $400 cash...

Well, let's look at this.

$400 cash per week is $20,800 per year before taxes. Since the family will not report taxes (illegal, btw), that's about the equivalent of $27,000 salary.

Full board can run $100 per week (bc shopping for one is more expensive than shopping for many), so another $5,200.

Room can run $1,000 per month, depending on location and set up. So another $12,000.

Adding up all pretax benefits (20,800 + 5,200 + 12,000) equals $38,000 pretax.

That is actually about $50,000 before taxes.

Assuming the nanny works 50 hours a week with a 2 week vacation 1 week sick leave and 2 weeks holiday, that makes $20.83 per hour, before taxes.

That's not even accounting for utilities (gas, electricity, water, sewer, cable, Internet, etc.). For example, adding $200 in utilities per month would drive the pretax hourly rate up to about $22.06 per hour.

But in order to do those chores, we're probably looking at 60 hours a week, instead of 50. So that would make an hourly pretax rate of $18.40.

Anyway, the real loser in this deal is the IRS. But the nanny also loses because no one would pay into her social security, Medicare, and unemployment benefits.

Nannies, unless you're illegal, please don't accept cash. It may seem like a lot more now, but think about your retirement. Social Security pays out over decades. Is that extra $200 per week worth decades in lower social securely payments?

[Anonymous]

PP here. I forgot to mention that, when nannies get paid in cash, the savings are usually shared with the employer. So it's not a true $200 per week savings. It's more like $100. I say this because I hear nannies say "my rate is $17 per hour, but I'll take $15 per hour if you pay cash."

My point is that for every $200 that a nanny isn't paying in taxes, she is probably only getting half of that in the end. The employer also benefits.

This results in not a lot more money up front plus a reduction in social security benefits in the future for decades.

Employers pay about 10% more in taxes by reporting your salary, but it's the right thing to do.

[Anonymous]

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Anonymous wrote:Found this gem:
Looking for a full time live-in nanny and housekeeper to cook, DEEP clean and keep our home VERY tidy and organized, feed and care for our two dogs and care for our 2 3-year-olds and our 4-year-old from morning until 5:45 p.m. and also get our 6-year-old on the bus at 8 a.m. and off the bus in front of our home at 4:00 p.m. and provide care for her as well. Free room and board plus $400. 00 cash per week, text me to set up an interview.

How in the world is a housekeeper supposed to keep a house VERY tidy, do DEEP cleaning, and still have the time. energy and patience to wrangle 1 6 year old, 1 4 year old and 3 year old twins? I frequently do extra chores when kids are asleep, but I'm not scrubbing showers or doing anything else that can't be left when kids get up!

And for all of that, $400 cash...

Well, let's look at this.

$400 cash per week is $20,800 per year before taxes. Since the family will not report taxes (illegal, btw), that's about the equivalent of $27,000 salary.

Full board can run $100 per week (bc shopping for one is more expensive than shopping for many), so another $5,200.

Room can run $1,000 per month, depending on location and set up. So another $12,000.

Adding up all pretax benefits (20,800 + 5,200 + 12,000) equals $38,000 pretax.

That is actually about $50,000 before taxes.

Assuming the nanny works 50 hours a week with a 2 week vacation 1 week sick leave and 2 weeks holiday, that makes $20.83 per hour, before taxes.

That's not even accounting for utilities (gas, electricity, water, sewer, cable, Internet, etc.). For example, adding $200 in utilities per month would drive the pretax hourly rate up to about $22.06 per hour.

But in order to do those chores, we're probably looking at 60 hours a week, instead of 50. So that would make an hourly pretax rate of $18.40.

Anyway, the real loser in this deal is the IRS. But the nanny also loses because no one would pay into her social security, Medicare, and unemployment benefits.

Nannies, unless you're illegal, please don't accept cash. It may seem like a lot more now, but think about your retirement. Social Security pays out over decades. Is that extra $200 per week worth decades in lower social securely payments?

OP here.

My issue isn't with the pay (assuming that the employer sticks to 6 a.m. (normal for live-in nannies to start) to 5.45 p.m, Monday-Friday, which is 58.75 hours. I'm a live-in nanny, I'm well aware that families don't pay overtime (they'll hire someone else in MD if you ask). However, based on that schedule:
$400/week / 58.75 hours = $6.81/hour

Federal law mandates that minimum wage is higher than that. Accommodations aren't described, which means it's a shared bath, and the bedroom might be private (but on a different floor) or shared, neither of which is worth $1,000/month. Employers are also only allowed to deduct room and board if the employee is offered a choice and CHOOSES to live in. This ad describes the position as live-in, ergo no choice, so no deduction. Oh, and I feed myself on $50-100 per week without issue, and I'm sure that I can eat everything I buy; I can't be sure how much the family is actually charged for my food unless I purchase it, so I might be able to do it for less, and I never can guarantee that I can eat the family's food, so I usually have to supplement at least $25 per week anyway, which makes board worthless to me. Utilities that parents lump together are not just the basics, they also include cable/satellite, internet, house phone (which the nanny is only to use for the benefit of the family), yard work, etc. I only pay for basics when not with a family (I have internet on my phone, and amazon prime works perfectly for what little screen time I want), so the rest is higher than I use. Finally taxes! Well, any nanny with sense in that situation would file as self-employed, so it's less per year, not $6k more...

Now that money is settled, let's talk about the duties, as that is what actually made me post it.

Looking for a full time live-in nanny and housekeeper to cook, normal DEEP clean not normal, that's a housekeeper's job, not even a nanny/housekeeper, unless all kids are out of the house for at 6 hours per day and keep our home VERY tidy not normal, tidying after self and kids is normal and organized for kids: normal, for family: normal for housekeeper/house manager, feed and care for our two dogs some nannies will agree, some won't and care for our 2 3-year-olds and our 4-year-old from morning until 5:45 p.m. This is where it gets outrageous. The previously listed work might be fine if all of the kids were in school all day, but 3 are home all day! and also get our 6-year-old on the bus at 8 a.m. 4th child for mornings, no housework then and off the bus in front of our home at 4:00 p.m. no housework from 4-5.45 and provide care for her as well. Free room and board required if no choice plus $400. 00 less than legal wages for the number of hours cash illegal , obviously per week, text me to set up an interview.

[Anonymous]

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Anonymous wrote:What a shame.

Most parents in DC area want the special care but very cheap about it.

They make good money, complain that this area is expnsive as if their nannies commute to their place from Texas or something. Hello? We live in this expensive area too.

DC area parents would pay $100s on massages, haircuts but want a nanny they can slave. No nanny should expect a job that pays less than $20 per hour per child.

And parents, remmeber. A nanny is not a house keeper. A nanny is there to take care, love, nurture and keep your child safe not clean up after your mess.

$20 per hour per child? You've got to be kidding me. I know it's just a handful of nannies on this site, but they sure work hard at inflating the rate.

Bet you pay your dog walker more per hour. How about your mancure or pedicures? A nanny takes care of your precious child. If it was easy YOU would be doing it

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:What a shame.

Most parents in DC area want the special care but very cheap about it.

They make good money, complain that this area is expnsive as if their nannies commute to their place from Texas or something. Hello? We live in this expensive area too.

DC area parents would pay $100s on massages, haircuts but want a nanny they can slave. No nanny should expect a job that pays less than $20 per hour per child.

And parents, remmeber. A nanny is not a house keeper. A nanny is there to take care, love, nurture and keep your child safe not clean up after your mess.

$20 per hour per child? You've got to be kidding me. I know it's just a handful of nannies on this site, but they sure work hard at inflating the rate.

Bet you pay your dog walker more per hour. How about your mancure or pedicures? A nanny takes care of your precious child. If it was easy YOU would be doing it

No, I don't. I don't pay $20 per hour per anything. So if I have 3 kids, I'm supposed to pay a nanny $60 per hour? I know all the nannies would say yes, by that's just ridiculous. I may as well quit my job. At least I would get to spend time with my kids if I did.

And I don't have a dog walker, I don't get my nails done, and I don't go to Starbucks. We're not all wealthy people to exploit.

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Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:What a shame.

Most parents in DC area want the special care but very cheap about it.

They make good money, complain that this area is expnsive as if their nannies commute to their place from Texas or something. Hello? We live in this expensive area too.

DC area parents would pay $100s on massages, haircuts but want a nanny they can slave. No nanny should expect a job that pays less than $20 per hour per child.

And parents, remmeber. A nanny is not a house keeper. A nanny is there to take care, love, nurture and keep your child safe not clean up after your mess.

$20 per hour per child? You've got to be kidding me. I know it's just a handful of nannies on this site, but they sure work hard at inflating the rate.

Bet you pay your dog walker more per hour. How about your mancure or pedicures? A nanny takes care of your precious child. If it was easy YOU would be doing it

No, I don't. I don't pay $20 per hour per anything. So if I have 3 kids, I'm supposed to pay a nanny $60 per hour? I know all the nannies would say yes, by that's just ridiculous. I may as well quit my job. At least I would get to spend time with my kids if I did.

And I don't have a dog walker, I don't get my nails done, and I don't go to Starbucks. We're not all wealthy people to exploit.

Most nannies would never dream of asking $60 per hour... Or even close.

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Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:What a shame.

Most parents in DC area want the special care but very cheap about it.

They make good money, complain that this area is expnsive as if their nannies commute to their place from Texas or something. Hello? We live in this expensive area too.

DC area parents would pay $100s on massages, haircuts but want a nanny they can slave. No nanny should expect a job that pays less than $20 per hour per child.

And parents, remmeber. A nanny is not a house keeper. A nanny is there to take care, love, nurture and keep your child safe not clean up after your mess.

$20 per hour per child? You've got to be kidding me. I know it's just a handful of nannies on this site, but they sure work hard at inflating the rate.

Bet you pay your dog walker more per hour. How about your mancure or pedicures? A nanny takes care of your precious child. If it was easy YOU would be doing it

No, I don't. I don't pay $20 per hour per anything. So if I have 3 kids, I'm supposed to pay a nanny $60 per hour? I know all the nannies would say yes, by that's just ridiculous. I may as well quit my job. At least I would get to spend time with my kids if I did.

And I don't have a dog walker, I don't get my nails done, and I don't go to Starbucks. We're not all wealthy people to exploit.

Bet you are not a math major.

I think the poster meant to say one child per hour should start at $20 and if you have 2 children a reasonable adjustment can be made. Us nannies in the area are just saying that most parents here think paying a nanny $12-$15 is okay. Well, it is not.
If you are not able to afford it then do not get a nanny. There are daycares for families like you. You want a person's full time attention for your child then you must pay for it. Same thing goes for public schools vs private schools or even tutors. When you want your dhild to learn how to play the guitar group rates and private lessons do not cost the same right? So why can you parents not understand hiring a nanny is the same?

i think your u are feeling entitled to a nanny only because you went to college and are somewhat better than 'the help' if you cannot afford a nanny check out daycares.

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:What a shame.

Most parents in DC area want the special care but very cheap about it.

They make good money, complain that this area is expnsive as if their nannies commute to their place from Texas or something. Hello? We live in this expensive area too.

DC area parents would pay $100s on massages, haircuts but want a nanny they can slave. No nanny should expect a job that pays less than $20 per hour per child.

And parents, remmeber. A nanny is not a house keeper. A nanny is there to take care, love, nurture and keep your child safe not clean up after your mess.

$20 per hour per child? You've got to be kidding me. I know it's just a handful of nannies on this site, but they sure work hard at inflating the rate.

Bet you pay your dog walker more per hour. How about your mancure or pedicures? A nanny takes care of your precious child. If it was easy YOU would be doing it

No, I don't. I don't pay $20 per hour per anything. So if I have 3 kids, I'm supposed to pay a nanny $60 per hour? I know all the nannies would say yes, by that's just ridiculous. I may as well quit my job. At least I would get to spend time with my kids if I did.

And I don't have a dog walker, I don't get my nails done, and I don't go to Starbucks. We're not all wealthy people to exploit.

Just because you do not get your nails done it does not mean the nails salons do not charge what they do and there are plenty of parents who pay their prices but are so damn cheap when it comes to their nannies. Period.

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:What a shame.

Most parents in DC area want the special care but very cheap about it.

They make good money, complain that this area is expnsive as if their nannies commute to their place from Texas or something. Hello? We live in this expensive area too.

DC area parents would pay $100s on massages, haircuts but want a nanny they can slave. No nanny should expect a job that pays less than $20 per hour per child.

And parents, remmeber. A nanny is not a house keeper. A nanny is there to take care, love, nurture and keep your child safe not clean up after your mess.

$20 per hour per child? You've got to be kidding me. I know it's just a handful of nannies on this site, but they sure work hard at inflating the rate.

Bet you pay your dog walker more per hour. How about your mancure or pedicures? A nanny takes care of your precious child. If it was easy YOU would be doing it

No, I don't. I don't pay $20 per hour per anything. So if I have 3 kids, I'm supposed to pay a nanny $60 per hour? I know all the nannies would say yes, by that's just ridiculous. I may as well quit my job. At least I would get to spend time with my kids if I did.

And I don't have a dog walker, I don't get my nails done, and I don't go to Starbucks. We're not all wealthy people to exploit.

Bet you are not a math major.

I think the poster meant to say one child per hour should start at $20 and if you have 2 children a reasonable adjustment can be made. Us nannies in the area are just saying that most parents here think paying a nanny $12-$15 is okay. Well, it is not.
If you are not able to afford it then do not get a nanny. There are daycares for families like you. You want a person's full time attention for your child then you must pay for it. Same thing goes for public schools vs private schools or even tutors. When you want your dhild to learn how to play the guitar group rates and private lessons do not cost the same right? So why can you parents not understand hiring a nanny is the same?

i think your u are feeling entitled to a nanny only because you went to college and are somewhat better than 'the help' if you cannot afford a nanny check out daycares.

Wow. Those are a lot of nasty assumptions just because I said I didn't want to be exploited. For the record, we don't have a nanny. We thought about it and can afford to pay well above market. But then we read the many nasty posts like yours and get really turned off. We have no room for all the drama.

We've had sitters who didn't go to college, but were the nicest, most caring people you'd ever meet. I don't care if you, PP, went to college, have a masters, or a doctorate. I would still want nothing to do with you.

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:What a shame.

Most parents in DC area want the special care but very cheap about it.

They make good money, complain that this area is expnsive as if their nannies commute to their place from Texas or something. Hello? We live in this expensive area too.

DC area parents would pay $100s on massages, haircuts but want a nanny they can slave. No nanny should expect a job that pays less than $20 per hour per child.

And parents, remmeber. A nanny is not a house keeper. A nanny is there to take care, love, nurture and keep your child safe not clean up after your mess.

$20 per hour per child? You've got to be kidding me. I know it's just a handful of nannies on this site, but they sure work hard at inflating the rate.

Bet you pay your dog walker more per hour. How about your mancure or pedicures? A nanny takes care of your precious child. If it was easy YOU would be doing it

No, I don't. I don't pay $20 per hour per anything. So if I have 3 kids, I'm supposed to pay a nanny $60 per hour? I know all the nannies would say yes, by that's just ridiculous. I may as well quit my job. At least I would get to spend time with my kids if I did.

And I don't have a dog walker, I don't get my nails done, and I don't go to Starbucks. We're not all wealthy people to exploit.

Bet you are not a math major.

I think the poster meant to say one child per hour should start at $20 and if you have 2 children a reasonable adjustment can be made. Us nannies in the area are just saying that most parents here think paying a nanny $12-$15 is okay. Well, it is not.
If you are not able to afford it then do not get a nanny. There are daycares for families like you. You want a person's full time attention for your child then you must pay for it. Same thing goes for public schools vs private schools or even tutors. When you want your dhild to learn how to play the guitar group rates and private lessons do not cost the same right? So why can you parents not understand hiring a nanny is the same?

i think your u are feeling entitled to a nanny only because you went to college and are somewhat better than 'the help' if you cannot afford a nanny check out daycares.

Wow. Those are a lot of nasty assumptions just because I said I didn't want to be exploited. For the record, we don't have a nanny. We thought about it and can afford to pay well above market. But then we read the many nasty posts like yours and get really turned off. We have no room for all the drama.

We've had sitters who didn't go to college, but were the nicest, most caring people you'd ever meet. I don't care if you, PP, went to college, have a masters, or a doctorate. I would still want nothing to do with you.

Just curious. What is it that you pay WELL above the market? If you knew the market then you would not be opposing to my opinions. You and I live ina similar zip code so our fixed expenses are somewhat similar. That is what parents like you do not understand when you want to pay peanuts for us. Nannies have to pay for mortgage, rent, credit cards, gas, power, insurance and food just like you. Remember that guy Maslow?

You mentioned you do not get your nails done nor pay for a dog sitter and that you arenot wealthy yet you want a nanny but you think you are too good to place your child at a daycare center.
You only feel entitled to a nanny because you have your husband's i come to rely on.

You do not care that the nanny also has bills to pay and maybe has a family to support. You feel entitled because you did the one thing most women have been doing for millions of years- had a baby.

Luckily not all parents are cheap like you and give gifts to their nannies and pay well. My family sent me flowers at home on my day and no amount of giftcard can replace that- which is why ai would never work for you #cheapmama