Am I am being fair?????

[Anonymous]

To add to what the PP said, it has also been 4-5 months since you started and this is quite a long time into a position to go and try to change things that really should have been discussed and dealt with at the time you were accepting their job offer. Most parents won't want to change anything after the first 2 weeks, when you might still be doing a trial run with them and feeling out what decisions need to be made.

Honestly, it doesn't seem like they are likely to change things on their end at this point, and it would be best to move on and find something else where you could bring this stuff up DURING the hiring process instead of months later. You are more likely to find someone to agree with it from the very start than after the position has been going on for a while.

[Anonymous]

Good for you OP, and make sure you let them know what you want and don't leave the 'meeting' until you're both happy with the outcome. Don't walk away regretting anything. Write out a list of why you want a salary, and your needs and also write what you offer them in regards to your availability, etc.

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:To add to what the PP said, it has also been 4-5 months since you started and this is quite a long time into a position to go and try to change things that really should have been discussed and dealt with at the time you were accepting their job offer. Most parents won't want to change anything after the first 2 weeks, when you might still be doing a trial run with them and feeling out what decisions need to be made.

Honestly, it doesn't seem like they are likely to change things on their end at this point, and it would be best to move on and find something else where you could bring this stuff up DURING the hiring process instead of months later. You are more likely to find someone to agree with it from the very start than after the position has been going on for a while.

Agreed. It seems like it would be best to find something else.

[Anonymous]

Guaranteed hours are a big benefit, significantly increase the cost of childcare, and should be brought up when negotiating a compensation package. At this point, you are not at a point in your employment when the comp package is typically reviewed and re-negotiated. So, MB is going to feel blindsighted. I hope that you apologized for bringing this up so late, and expressed that you did not anticipate this need, and did not plan to ask for more money so soon.

[Anonymous]

I work a job similar to yours in policy. I require hours given to me two weeks in advance and I require to paid whether they use them or not.

After that I fill in hours with other cliental.

[Anonymous]

Good for you that you feel comfortable enough to address what I am sure is not an easy situation.

Discussing money matters is always awkward, but you sound like you know what you want and are very assertive in making your needs known.

I see nothing wrong w/wanting to be salaried.
This way you can have reliable pay which makes it so much easier to plan ahead financially.

Some families prefer hourly, some salary. Same w/nannies.
It's a personal choice and it depends on the parties involved.

I say, if you are a great nanny and they truly want to keep your valuable services, they will work w/you on this.
Keeping a good nanny happy is vital to their child and I am sure they realize this.

However there is a chance that they are just not comfortable in offering a salaried position at this time so if that is the case, you may just have to walk away from the table.

At least you tried though.
And NO!! You are not being unfair OP.

Good Luck to you.~

[Anonymous]

This is the Op- I want to thank everyone for all the advice....I really don't want to have to leave this position I have overcome soooooo many milestones with this little girl and have been watching her grow up. But I have to be realistic with my needs also. In the end I don't want to be the nanny who makes just enough, no benefits like paid vacation or sick leave, and having to make up hours all my life. They have never had me call out yet. I just still came to work. I guess the real deal breaker was watching them splurge on all of these expensive things and they can't even do by right by me when I'm doing what they asked. I will update tomorrow and when we meet and I'll see how everything works out. They are not bad people I just don't think they knew what having a nanny really entails and it's my fault I didn't properly inform them. To be honest I got so excited when I got this job that I finally found a family who wasn't trying to low ball and willing to do things legally that I didn't properly negotiate the important things.

[Anonymous]

I guess the real deal breaker was watching them splurge on all of these expensive things and they can't even do by right by me when I'm doing what they asked.

This is a childish attitude and you need to stop it. Grow up and take responsibility. It was your responsibility to be professional and negotiate your compensation package upfront. Your employers were honest with you but you were basically not honest with them about what you wanted and required.

You should think through what you plan to ask for from a professional rather than a childish (I just deserve it, if they can buy X they should give that money to me) perspective. Think through the monetary value of each new benefit you wish to ask for (guaranteed hours, how much paid vacation, paid sick time, paid holidays etc) and figure out what the annual increase will be to the overall cost and how this relates as a % to your existing compensation package. If its more than a 5%-10% cost increase, you need to be more realistic and dial back.

You also should consider the market that you are in and your negotiating position. Are you paid on par or higher than most nannies in your area? Do you have other employment options or was this the only offer that you found? Benefits are less common with positions under 40 hours.

[Anonymous]

This is the OP-

My pay AFTER they take out taxes is $525 if they didn't take out taxes it would be $660 (I'm glad they do)

I was thinking about asking them for my pay to from now on to be salaried (Guaranteed hours) my usual $525 and no more making up whatever hours they don't use. Also if a holiday falls on those days they still pay for it.

I'm going to ask for them to pay for also while they go on away on vacation for a week, I was considering asking for two weeks lauded vacation one there choice one mine but I don't think that will work out. And I'm thinking of asking for three days sick leave.

[Anonymous]

If you work 30 hours for a gross $660 a week that is $22 an hour which is pretty high. Since the family was explicit in not offering you guaranteed hours or paid vacation in the beginning (as the mom told you she also is hourly and not guaranteed) then its likely that they factored that into their decision to pay you $22 an hour.

Normally there is no harm in asking but realize that they may counter that you should lower your rate or they can just hire some much cheaper and include vacation PTO and guaranteed hours for the new person.

[Anonymous]

Agree with 11:03. OP you are trying to renegotiate the whole package several months in. I would be really pissed at that especially since I was offering a very high (for 1 kid) hourly rate.

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:If you work 30 hours for a gross $660 a week that is $22 an hour which is pretty high. Since the family was explicit in not offering you guaranteed hours or paid vacation in the beginning (as the mom told you she also is hourly and not guaranteed) then its likely that they factored that into their decision to pay you $22 an hour.

Normally there is no harm in asking but realize that they may counter that you should lower your rate or they can just hire some much cheaper and include vacation PTO and guaranteed hours for the new person.

I'm sorry I mistyped what i meant to say get paid BI-WEEKLY which means I get $525 after taxes

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:This is the OP-

My pay AFTER they take out taxes is $525 if they didn't take out taxes it would be $660 (I'm glad they do)

I was thinking about asking them for my pay to from now on to be salaried (Guaranteed hours) my usual $525 and no more making up whatever hours they don't use. Also if a holiday falls on those days they still pay for it.

I'm going to ask for them to pay for also while they go on away on vacation for a week, I was considering asking for two weeks lauded vacation one there choice one mine but I don't think that will work out. And I'm thinking of asking for three days sick leave.

I'm glad you're speaking up about your needs/wants, and don't crumble if they balk.

My concern is you laying all these benefits/perks down at once which might overwhelm them but regardless, you deserve the same weekly rate when they choose to cancel or go away on vacation numerous times. You should never have to make up hours because they simply don't need you. That's insulting and ridiculous.

Think this through and write down what you plan to say. Also, if you could choose one or two changes, what would they be? (Ex: Paid vacation / Salary / Etc).

Don't forget to remind them of all you do and what exactly you have to offer. Sometimes employers don't realize what a great care provider they have.

If you have years of experience, CPR/First Aid, graduated from any Early Childhood Education courses, etc, then you're all the more valuable.

They may object in an attempt to get you to back down but stay firm. It's either they will accept it or choose another childcare provider who is fine with making up dozens of hours during their non working hours and getting no vacation or sick days.

Please keep us updated!

[Anonymous]

Op, this is absolutely fair. If they usually have you work mon-tu-wed and then one week they don't need you on wed, they can't expect you to be available either thu-fri-sat-sund to make up the hours! As tho you don't have a life and can't plan anything in advance for yourself?? Ai ai ai! They want to pay you for 3 days but you need to be available other days that aren't your normal days?? Absolutely not, I am glad you spoke up!

No way in hell I would ever agree to a job where they want to bank my unused hours. That's just a recipe for disaster!!