W&M in WSJ Rankings

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Anonymous wrote:USNWR has gone off the deep end on that ranking. W&M should be a top 40 school.

That said, it is time for president Rowe to go.

W&M was consistently ranked in the low 30s. But due to methodology changes, places like Wisconsin have vaulted ahead of it. This is just a guess, but further changes in the methodology, like eliminating weight for class size and alumni giving — areas where W&M shines — are going to hurt it very much. I wouldn’t be surprised to see it in the upper 50s or even low 60s. Again, just a guess, but you heard it here first.

But still higher than the other VA schools

What? It's ranked lower than quite a few VA schools.

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Anonymous wrote:W&M has a strong alumni network and high graduation rates. For in-state residents, the tuition is a fantastic deal. They get a private school education for a public school price.

WSJ rankings seem to be the least useful when comparing to US News or Niche.

folderol

The bolded is such nonsense; I always laugh whenever I read this. [/quote

Except it’s not. I had a kid transfer from WM to UVA. The classes and professors are far superior WM. This isn’t to say he doesn’t love UVA, but the classes are huge (even as a junior) and not nearly as engaging/in depth.

WM will always get knocked down in the rankings because it competes with large, national universities that have the capacity to do a lot more research (which, personally, I always found to be an odd metric at the undergraduate level).

In terms of ROI, it’s also a problematic metric. A number of law schools dumped USNWR over the weight given to ROI because a lot of their students go on to very prestigious internships or clerkships after law school.

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Anonymous wrote:The WSJ rankings are really a joke. I wouldn’t use it as anything. WM is a great school, period.

+! Truly!!

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Anonymous wrote:The WSJ rankings are really a joke. I wouldn’t use it as anything. WM is a great school, period.

+! Truly!!

It absolutely is. But the administration needs to be concerned about the rankings.

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Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:W&M has a strong alumni network and high graduation rates. For in-state residents, the tuition is a fantastic deal. They get a private school education for a public school price.

WSJ rankings seem to be the least useful when comparing to US News or Niche.

folderol

The bolded is such nonsense; I always laugh whenever I read this. [/quote

Except it’s not. I had a kid transfer from WM to UVA. The classes and professors are far superior WM. This isn’t to say he doesn’t love UVA, but the classes are huge (even as a junior) and not nearly as engaging/in depth.

WM will always get knocked down in the rankings because it competes with large, national universities that have the capacity to do a lot more research (which, personally, I always found to be an odd metric at the undergraduate level).

In terms of ROI, it’s also a problematic metric. A number of law schools dumped USNWR over the weight given to ROI because a lot of their students go on to very prestigious internships or clerkships after law school.

100% faculty teach all W&M courses. No TAs doing it, etc. Small class sizes. 100% undergrad focus. Kids come out very prepared.

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:The WSJ rankings are really a joke. I wouldn’t use it as anything. WM is a great school, period.

+! Truly!!

It absolutely is. But the administration needs to be concerned about the rankings.

I'm sure they are, but I'm sure they're also not going to destroy everything that makes W&M what it is because all these publications have made it their goal to overvalue mediocre colleges

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William and Mary will continue to fall down the charts

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Anonymous wrote:William and Mary will continue to fall down the charts

Because?

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Anonymous wrote:William and Mary will continue to fall down the charts

Just another UVA fan worried about the competition.

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W&M is really 13th grade for smart Virginia kids.

My daughter goes to a public university in another state and 75 percent of school is out of state and international.

W&M is not a real college experience given so many Virginia residents

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Anonymous wrote:At least they finally got UVA right.

I thought UVA was at least top 50. Yikes.

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Anonymous wrote:USNWR has gone off the deep end on that ranking. W&M should be a top 40 school.

That said, it is time for president Rowe to go.

It's not USNWR.

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:W&M has a strong alumni network and high graduation rates. For in-state residents, the tuition is a fantastic deal. They get a private school education for a public school price.

WSJ rankings seem to be the least useful when comparing to US News or Niche.

folderol

The bolded is such nonsense; I always laugh whenever I read this. [/quote

Except it’s not. I had a kid transfer from WM to UVA. The classes and professors are far superior WM. This isn’t to say he doesn’t love UVA, but the classes are huge (even as a junior) and not nearly as engaging/in depth.

WM will always get knocked down in the rankings because it competes with large, national universities that have the capacity to do a lot more research (which, personally, I always found to be an odd metric at the undergraduate level).

In terms of ROI, it’s also a problematic metric. A number of law schools dumped USNWR over the weight given to ROI because a lot of their students go on to very prestigious internships or clerkships after law school.

100% faculty teach all W&M courses. No TAs doing it, etc. Small class sizes. 100% undergrad focus. Kids come out very prepared.

+1 In Morning Consult's research on trusted universities W&M comes in very strong. I think trust is going to be a bigger issue than these "metrics" that can be gamed or are really not terribly pertinent to people's decisions.

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Top 30 seems pretty accurate:


2024 WSJ
1. Princeton
2. MIT
3. Yale
4. Stanford
5. Columbia
6. Harvard
7. Penn
8. Amherst
9. CMC
10. Babson
11. Swarthmore
12. Gtown
13. Vanderbilt
14. Lehigh
15. Florida
16. Duke
17. Rose Hulman
18. CIT
19. NJIT
20. BYU
21. Dartmouth
22. USC
23. Illinois Tech
24. Cornell
25. Northwestern
26. WUStL
27. Lake Forest
28. Michigan
29. FIU
30. Davidson

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Forgot to add the following: 🙄