Anonymous
Post 08/22/2023 16:45     Subject: ObamaCare ruined primary care medicine
Anonymous wrote:
Anonymous wrote:
Anonymous wrote:
Anonymous wrote:
Anonymous wrote:My union Healthcare is great.

My parents' Medicare is great.

You have poor health insurance because you have a cheap employer.

and this is exactly why health insurance should not be tied to employment.


I support comprehensive state backed health care coverage if the median American took care of themselves like the median Japanese, Singaporean, Italian, Spanish or Swiss person

Way too many Americans put themselves and their families in suboptimal health thru their own actions


? Have you ever been to Italy or Spain? They smoke and drink quite a bit.


i can speak about Italy - alcohol consumption in Italy per capita is lower than the us because hard liquor culture isn’t really there

Negronis, aperol spritz, grappa etc are not very strong.

Smoking is rife but food quality, walking, and chillaxing in the sun are way higher also

Americans consume about 20% more alcohol per capita than Italians


Italians have to walk way more because the country is small, roads are tiny, and their income isn't very high so they cannot afford to buy cars every few years. They chillax more but their GDP and economy is in the pits. Also, chillaxing in the sun can cause skin cancer.

ITA about food quality, though. Our government allows way too much hormones and pesticides in our food supply.

So, it's not so much as the Italians take care of themselves better, but that their culture and government doesn't allow them to have higher incomes and work a lot.

Oh, and they also have universal healthcare, and they don't ever have to worry about going bankrupt due to medical expenses. So, if they get sick, they can go see a doctor either free of charge or dirt cheap. We can't do that in the US. And we never will because the US is about greed and making money.
Anonymous
Post 08/22/2023 16:28     Subject: ObamaCare ruined primary care medicine
Anonymous wrote:
Anonymous wrote:it was already going that way. the ACA simply provided a safety net particularly for people with pre-existing conditions who were rejected or exempted coverage in the prior version of health insurance

what we need is single payer/universal- our healthcare system has been horrible since the deregulation of the Reagan era


NP: Obamacare was the most expensive disaster. I doubt anyone will dare touch healthcare again in decades.


Health insurance and healthcare was already a disaster. As a percentage of our GDP, healthcare is far less than it would have been without the ACA. Facts matter. It has been a net benefit to our country. The better solution is to adopt the fixes that the Dems have been trying to do for the past 7 years.
Anonymous
Post 08/22/2023 16:19     Subject: Re:ObamaCare ruined primary care medicine

Anonymous wrote:
Anonymous wrote:
ACA isn’t insurance. It just made it possible for people to purchase insurance without having an employer program. It also got rid of some of Big Insurance’s most egregious practices, like lifetime limits and pre-existing conditions.

Insurance is a complete racket and we would all be better served by a single payer option.


with no connection to employment.

Would health care providers still find ways to overcharge and obfuscate?

+1

I've worked for a small company since 2016. In the beginning we'd use my insurance to cover the family, but every year our out-of-pocket costs kept going up. A few years ago we switched to my wife's plan (she's a fed) and we're getting the same care but paying way less. Those explanations of benefits are a real eye-opener...pediatrician bills the insurance $500 for a routine checkup, insurance pays all of it. The government does a fine job covering our medical expenses...let them handle others' too.


+1 Health insurance as a federal employee is one of the best benefits. You can be covered under the plans in retirement (and that is not true for a lot of employers). We have never had a problem finding a PCP or any physician under our federal health insurance.
Anonymous
Post 08/22/2023 16:18     Subject: ObamaCare ruined primary care medicine
Anonymous wrote:
Anonymous wrote:
Anonymous wrote:
Anonymous wrote:My union Healthcare is great.

My parents' Medicare is great.

You have poor health insurance because you have a cheap employer.

and this is exactly why health insurance should not be tied to employment.


I support comprehensive state backed health care coverage if the median American took care of themselves like the median Japanese, Singaporean, Italian, Spanish or Swiss person

Way too many Americans put themselves and their families in suboptimal health thru their own actions


? Have you ever been to Italy or Spain? They smoke and drink quite a bit.


i can speak about Italy - alcohol consumption in Italy per capita is lower than the us because hard liquor culture isn’t really there

Negronis, aperol spritz, grappa etc are not very strong.

Smoking is rife but food quality, walking, and chillaxing in the sun are way higher also

Americans consume about 20% more alcohol per capita than Italians




Anonymous
Post 08/22/2023 16:06     Subject: ObamaCare ruined primary care medicine
Anonymous wrote:
Anonymous wrote:
Anonymous wrote:My union Healthcare is great.

My parents' Medicare is great.

You have poor health insurance because you have a cheap employer.

and this is exactly why health insurance should not be tied to employment.


I support comprehensive state backed health care coverage if the median American took care of themselves like the median Japanese, Singaporean, Italian, Spanish or Swiss person

Way too many Americans put themselves and their families in suboptimal health thru their own actions


? Have you ever been to Italy or Spain? They smoke and drink quite a bit.
Anonymous
Post 08/22/2023 14:08     Subject: ObamaCare ruined primary care medicine
Anonymous wrote:
Anonymous wrote:My union Healthcare is great.

My parents' Medicare is great.

You have poor health insurance because you have a cheap employer.

and this is exactly why health insurance should not be tied to employment.


I support comprehensive state backed health care coverage if the median American took care of themselves like the median Japanese, Singaporean, Italian, Spanish or Swiss person

Way too many Americans put themselves and their families in suboptimal health thru their own actions

Anonymous
Post 08/22/2023 14:06     Subject: ObamaCare ruined primary care medicine
Obamacare is so popular that the Republican Party officially dropped its objection to it.
Anonymous
Post 08/22/2023 14:05     Subject: ObamaCare ruined primary care medicine
Concierge doctors are blowing up health care in their communities out of greed. A functional system needs balanced practices that have some private-pay, some employer-provided and other insurance, some Medicare, and some Medicaid patients. If these jackasses skim off all the private pay patients, the other doctors in the community will have little choice but to restrict what types of patients they take.
Anonymous
Post 08/22/2023 13:57     Subject: ObamaCare ruined primary care medicine
Anonymous wrote:it was already going that way. the ACA simply provided a safety net particularly for people with pre-existing conditions who were rejected or exempted coverage in the prior version of health insurance

what we need is single payer/universal- our healthcare system has been horrible since the deregulation of the Reagan era


NP: Obamacare was the most expensive disaster. I doubt anyone will dare touch healthcare again in decades.
Anonymous
Post 08/22/2023 13:36     Subject: ObamaCare ruined primary care medicine
Anonymous wrote:
Anonymous wrote:ACA isn’t insurance. It just made it possible for people to purchase insurance without having an employer program. It also got rid of some of Big Insurance’s most egregious practices, like lifetime limits and pre-existing conditions.

Insurance is a complete racket and we would all be better served by a single payer option.


with no connection to employment.

Would health care providers still find ways to overcharge and obfuscate?

+1

I've worked for a small company since 2016. In the beginning we'd use my insurance to cover the family, but every year our out-of-pocket costs kept going up. A few years ago we switched to my wife's plan (she's a fed) and we're getting the same care but paying way less. Those explanations of benefits are a real eye-opener...pediatrician bills the insurance $500 for a routine checkup, insurance pays all of it. The government does a fine job covering our medical expenses...let them handle others' too.
Anonymous
Post 08/22/2023 13:34     Subject: ObamaCare ruined primary care medicine
Anonymous wrote:My union Healthcare is great.

My parents' Medicare is great.

You have poor health insurance because you have a cheap employer.

and this is exactly why health insurance should not be tied to employment.
Anonymous
Post 08/22/2023 13:27     Subject: ObamaCare ruined primary care medicine
Anonymous wrote:
Anonymous wrote:



Thank goodness for the ACA, which offers less exorbitant healthcare to millions of patients who did not have it previously.



My family is one of them. I know what I'm talking about.








Yay!


https://www.dcurbanmom.com/jforum/posts/list/967627.page


Not all their doctors went to concierge service, but if you were a patient there you'd know that.
Anonymous
Post 08/22/2023 13:26     Subject: ObamaCare ruined primary care medicine
Anonymous wrote:
Anonymous wrote:
Anonymous wrote:
Anonymous wrote:My union Healthcare is great.

My parents' Medicare is great.

You have poor health insurance because you have a cheap employer.



Are you stupid?

Insurance doesn’t matter when PCPs switch to concierge.


+ 100. My dad and in-laws have had amazing healthcare under Medicare which, in essence, is a single payer system. My dad and MIL had open-heart surgery at world-class medical centers and no bills. I'll be eligible for Medicare in 2 years and can't wait.

My DH's union health insurance (and pension) are both amazing. We are blessed. Anyone who's complaining about their healthcare should consider changing employers since that's how most of us get health coverage. Prioritize your health--your life depends on it.



It doesn’t matter what insurance you have when doctors ditch all insurance.

https://www.scientificamerican.com/article/many-doctors-are-switching-to-concierge-medicine-exacerbating-physician-shortages/


How does this not register in your brain?


Hi OP you sound really frustrated. If you can't find any doctors who take your insurance without needing to join a concierge service, head over to the health forum and ask for recommendations based on where you live and the specialty you're looking for. I'm in Montgomery County with 3 family members who have a lot of various conditions and we have not had any difficulty finding doctors who take our insurance. Happy to give you recs over in the other forum if you need them.
Anonymous
Post 08/22/2023 13:17     Subject: ObamaCare ruined primary care medicine
Anonymous wrote:



Thank goodness for the ACA, which offers less exorbitant healthcare to millions of patients who did not have it previously.



My family is one of them. I know what I'm talking about.








Yay!


https://www.dcurbanmom.com/jforum/posts/list/967627.page
Anonymous
Post 08/22/2023 13:17     Subject: ObamaCare ruined primary care medicine
Anonymous wrote:ACA isn’t insurance. It just made it possible for people to purchase insurance without having an employer program. It also got rid of some of Big Insurance’s most egregious practices, like lifetime limits and pre-existing conditions.

Insurance is a complete racket and we would all be better served by a single payer option.


with no connection to employment.

Would health care providers still find ways to overcharge and obfuscate?