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Anonymous wrote:I'm Irish and my family was discriminated for almost a century... wheres my money?

Some SJW here will tell you that they benefitted from “white privilege.” I would just love for my Sicilian ancestors to come back from the dead and have some piss ant SJW tell them to their faces that they were privileged in any way. Now that would be entertainment!

Racist trash like you have had enough privilege. Sit TF down.

DP: you, you, YOU, are pure racist trash. Sit TF down.

How exactly am I racist trash?

Your comments show the racist trash you are.

DP here. Why? Because Sicilian immigrants 100 years ago had such a great life?

My great grandfather came over from Italy in 1901 and was a manual laborer scraping by for the rest of his life. He had it rough too. But he traveled here of his own free will. And he was able to live with his family. His kids weren’t sold off like property. He didn’t lose his name, language, religion, or culture. His kids were able to go to school and get better jobs. Those kids moved around. None got lynched. There were no US policies limiting his options for housing & banking. So he had it tough, but it wasn’t really comparable.

That doesn’t change the fact that PP is racist and should sit TF down.

Sicilians were lynched too, genius. And if you want to pay up for slavery despite the facts that your relatives came here 50 years after slavery ended, then by all means, sell your house and your land and put the money in the coffer so that it can be paid to people were never slaves and whose great-great grandparents were probably not even slaves. Why don’t you also give up your lucrative high paying job to a black person to make up for the past sins of discrimination and oppression that you didn’t commit? If you want to throw your hard earned money away for something you didn’t do, then go right ahead. I refuse because it is stupid, unfair, probably unconstitutional, and ultimately won’t improve or change anything. And if having common sense, logic and reason now makes one “racist trash,” then this country has taken a real turn toward the radical and we are all in real trouble. Luckily, though, reparations will never happen.

Italy weeps for your ignorance, truly. Sacco was from Apuglia (not Sicily) and Vanzetti was from Northern Italy. My Sicilian and Calabrian relatives experienced a lot of discrimination in Italy and in the United States where they were not considered white enough. However, they always ended every conversation with, but nobody has been treated worse in this country than Native Americans. There was no Trail of Tears for Italians in this country. Italian bodies were not the “strange fruit hanging from Southern trees,” by and large. My Italian grandparents taught me empathy. Apparently yours failed you.

Italians were not only lynched, they were also put in internment camps. Where is our money? Where is the Native Americans money? Where is the Latinos’ money? Or the money for the Chinese whose ancestors were also interned? You better pay up because your great “empathy” isn’t getting anyone sh!t!

Please prove examples of more than two Italians who were lynched. Italians were not actually put in internment camps in this country, Boris-bot. Neither were the Chinese. They were not systematically raped, had their children kidnapped and sold away from them, etc. Please get some perspective, Boris-bot.

All of that and more happened to Native Americans. Where's their money? A very wealthy black man calculated that each black person is owed $350,000. Don't ask how that was calculated, that's racist. I calculate that each Native American is owed $3 million.

I have not yet calculated our debt to Mexico for talking half their country, but I am sure it is quite substantial.

One Jew was lynched im Georgia in 1914 and thousands of Jews fled the state in fear. I calculate that each of their descendants is owed $35,000. Don't ask how I got that, that's racist.

Dear Racist:

Please do not misuse the memory of Leo Frank for your racist agenda. Thousands of Jews did not flee the state of Georgia. There were not thousands of Jews in Georgia at that point in history, Boris-bot.

Dear anti-Semite. Please do not use the memory of any lynching for your racist agenda. There were 3000 Jews in Georgia. Look it up.

Leonid.

Dear angry guy you spit on the graves of many civic minded and no noble Jews who believed in and died for the cause. Goodman and Schwerner are turning over in their graves. The history and suffering of one group of people isn’t diminished by acknowledging and seeking redress for the historic and ongoing systemic harms committed against another.

Dear angry guy who projects and reads into things:

You don't get the point.

You spit on the grave of everyone who has ever suffered by asking for blood money on their behalf.

You spit on the graves of anti-racists everywhere by turning down assistance for your children in order to repay an unpayable debt to the dead.

You spit on yourself by diminishing the indignities heaped upon yourself and demanding payment for the much worse indignities heaped on your grandparents.

You spit on your fellow Americans who cry with you about the past and want to end systemic racism today just because it is happening today.

You spit on the cradles of your grandchildren and as you keep looking to the past rather than the future.

You spit on the present because in trying to loose the shackles of the past, you bind yourself tighter to it.

You spit on poor people because you demand money from them to pay rich people.

You let rich people spit on you as they tell you that you deserve a few pennies for your grandparents while racists will hate you even more for trying to take pennies from them.

You spit on everyone who disagrees with you and call them angry racists and Boris-bots when you yourself are angry. It's okay to be angry. It's not okay to spit on other people and tell them it's raining.

You spit on me, as I do not demand anything for my own parents, but I do want things for my children and yours.

But you don't care about all this spit, because you see a way to make profit. Enjoy your blood money. I hope it helps your children, but I am pretty sure it won't.

Wow angry guy that is an awful lot of spit. Sounds like i touched a nerve. No matter. Glad you mentioned by dearly beloved and long ago delparted Grandmother. She the daughter of a slave. She would tell me to take the money. And I would and I wouldn’t need to touch a penny of it. I will leave it to my child, along with the rest of the assets he will inherit, just as my parents did for me. So thank you. I can see you now face all pinched up and red, foaming at the mouth, putrid spittle flying in every direction. That’s right baby take the money!

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Anonymous wrote:And have Asians and Hispanics for for it? No thanks! Why do black people think they should get special treatment?

Why don’t you think black people should get “special treatment”? They got “special treatment” for 400 years, so...

Every race has faced their pains. Heard of the Nanking massacre in Asia? Vietnam war? Chinese communist purges? Chinese faces lots of racism here. Why as an Asian or a Hispanic should I have to give reparations to black people? We didn’t use slaves and it’s not something I will apologize for.

Actually, you do realize that Brazil and the Caribbean had far more slaves than the U.S., don’t you? Spain colonized those areas (mostly). So Hispanics owe too. Asians, not so much. Anyhow, reparations are not the way to go. Handing money out never solves anything. Just further enslaves people to welfare vs. hard work and ingenuity.

Completely untrue. The easiest way to alleviate poverty and other financial stresses is to give people money.

Of course most white people will claim that “Handing money out never solves anything” because they are entrenched in their privilege. They want to stay at the top, and will fight any efforts to even out the playing field.

Fortunately, the Biden Administration will be woke enough to introduce reparations, something that is long overdue!

Anonymous wrote:Nobody is disputing 400 years of systemic oppression.

Plenty of valid concerns and questions and objections to reparations have been raised, however. Yet it seems like the 2-3 reparations supporters who have been pushing this for 44 pages just mow over the concerns and objections every time they're raised. The only response to questions or concerns seems to be: but 400 years of systemic oppression.

Who gets reparations? How do we do this without bankrupting the country for generations? Why not also give reparations to American Indians or victims of US aggression abroad? What about the example of lottery winners (white and black), who use their cash on frivolous stuff and not as an investment in housing or education? How would $50K improve housing choices when it might get you a downpayment on a house in Bethesda, but it won't help you pay the remaining mortgage for $950K? Why is cash better than spending the same amount, or more, on improving education, subsidizing mortgages, training and rehabilitation, breaking down the 1994 crime law, boosting Head Start, boosting the estate tax, subsidizing college, universal healthcare, et cetera?

Continuing to cite 400 years isn't a satisfactory answer to these questions.

Here is Obama on why he opposes reparations:

I fear that reparations would be an excuse for some to say ‘we’ve paid our debt’ and to avoid the much harder work of enforcing our anti-discrimination laws in employment and housing; the much harder work of making sure that our schools are not separate and unequal; the much harder work of providing job training programs and rehabilitating young men coming out of prison every year; and the much harder work of lifting 37 million Americans of all races out of poverty.

These challenges will not go away with reparations. So while I applaud and agree with the underlying sentiment of recognizing the continued legacy of slavery, I would prefer to focus on the issues that will directly address these problems — and building a consensus to do just that.

Also:

I have said in the past — and I’ll repeat again — that the best reparations we can provide are good schools in the inner city and jobs for people who are unemployed.
...And so, you know, I’m much more interested in talking about, how do we get every child to learn? How do we get every person health care? How do we make sure that everybody has a job? How do we make sure that every senior citizen can retire with dignity and respect?
And if we have a program, for example, of universal health care, that will disproportionately affect people of color, because they’re disproportionately uninsured. If we’ve got an agenda that says every child in America should get — should be able to go to college, regardless of income, that will disproportionately affect people of color, because it’s oftentimes our children who can’t afford to go to college.

https://www.washingtonpost.com/politics/2019/07/09/what-obama-actually-said-his-rejection-reparations/

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Anonymous wrote:And have Asians and Hispanics for for it? No thanks! Why do black people think they should get special treatment?

Why don’t you think black people should get “special treatment”? They got “special treatment” for 400 years, so...

Every race has faced their pains. Heard of the Nanking massacre in Asia? Vietnam war? Chinese communist purges? Chinese faces lots of racism here. Why as an Asian or a Hispanic should I have to give reparations to black people? We didn’t use slaves and it’s not something I will apologize for.

Actually, you do realize that Brazil and the Caribbean had far more slaves than the U.S., don’t you? Spain colonized those areas (mostly). So Hispanics owe too. Asians, not so much. Anyhow, reparations are not the way to go. Handing money out never solves anything. Just further enslaves people to welfare vs. hard work and ingenuity.

Completely untrue. The easiest way to alleviate poverty and other financial stresses is to give people money.

Of course most white people will claim that “Handing money out never solves anything” because they are entrenched in their privilege. They want to stay at the top, and will fight any efforts to even out the playing field.

Fortunately, the Biden Administration will be woke enough to introduce reparations, something that is long overdue!

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Anonymous wrote:Nobody is disputing 400 years of systemic oppression.

Plenty of valid concerns and questions and objections to reparations have been raised, however. Yet it seems like the 2-3 reparations supporters who have been pushing this for 44 pages just mow over the concerns and objections every time they're raised. The only response to questions or concerns seems to be: but 400 years of systemic oppression.

Who gets reparations? How do we do this without bankrupting the country for generations? Why not also give reparations to American Indians or victims of US aggression abroad? What about the example of lottery winners (white and black), who use their cash on frivolous stuff and not as an investment in housing or education? How would $50K improve housing choices when it might get you a downpayment on a house in Bethesda, but it won't help you pay the remaining mortgage for $950K? Why is cash better than spending the same amount, or more, on improving education, subsidizing mortgages, training and rehabilitation, breaking down the 1994 crime law, boosting Head Start, boosting the estate tax, subsidizing college, universal healthcare, et cetera?

Continuing to cite 400 years isn't a satisfactory answer to these questions.

Here is Obama on why he opposes reparations:

I fear that reparations would be an excuse for some to say ‘we’ve paid our debt’ and to avoid the much harder work of enforcing our anti-discrimination laws in employment and housing; the much harder work of making sure that our schools are not separate and unequal; the much harder work of providing job training programs and rehabilitating young men coming out of prison every year; and the much harder work of lifting 37 million Americans of all races out of poverty.

These challenges will not go away with reparations. So while I applaud and agree with the underlying sentiment of recognizing the continued legacy of slavery, I would prefer to focus on the issues that will directly address these problems — and building a consensus to do just that.

Also:

I have said in the past — and I’ll repeat again — that the best reparations we can provide are good schools in the inner city and jobs for people who are unemployed.
...And so, you know, I’m much more interested in talking about, how do we get every child to learn? How do we get every person health care? How do we make sure that everybody has a job? How do we make sure that every senior citizen can retire with dignity and respect?
And if we have a program, for example, of universal health care, that will disproportionately affect people of color, because they’re disproportionately uninsured. If we’ve got an agenda that says every child in America should get — should be able to go to college, regardless of income, that will disproportionately affect people of color, because it’s oftentimes our children who can’t afford to go to college.

https://www.washingtonpost.com/politics/2019/07/09/what-obama-actually-said-his-rejection-reparations/

Add to the list of concerns:

Cash grants wouldn't remove this underlying drivers that continue the racial wealth gap. These include differential incomes, differential savings at lower incomes (called the elasticity of savings in the Econ jargon), differential rates of return on things like real estate, lack of financial education, differential inheritances, poor educational opportunities from kindergarten through college, poor health care, and more.

The posters who continue to mow over these issues with "but 400 years" would help their cause by addressing some of these.

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Anonymous wrote:And have Asians and Hispanics for for it? No thanks! Why do black people think they should get special treatment?

Why don’t you think black people should get “special treatment”? They got “special treatment” for 400 years, so...

Every race has faced their pains. Heard of the Nanking massacre in Asia? Vietnam war? Chinese communist purges? Chinese faces lots of racism here. Why as an Asian or a Hispanic should I have to give reparations to black people? We didn’t use slaves and it’s not something I will apologize for.

Actually, you do realize that Brazil and the Caribbean had far more slaves than the U.S., don’t you? Spain colonized those areas (mostly). So Hispanics owe too. Asians, not so much. Anyhow, reparations are not the way to go. Handing money out never solves anything. Just further enslaves people to welfare vs. hard work and ingenuity.

Completely untrue. The easiest way to alleviate poverty and other financial stresses is to give people money.

Of course most white people will claim that “Handing money out never solves anything” because they are entrenched in their privilege. They want to stay at the top, and will fight any efforts to even out the playing field.

Fortunately, the Biden Administration will be woke enough to introduce reparations, something that is long overdue!

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Anonymous wrote:And have Asians and Hispanics for for it? No thanks! Why do black people think they should get special treatment?

Why don’t you think black people should get “special treatment”? They got “special treatment” for 400 years, so...

Every race has faced their pains. Heard of the Nanking massacre in Asia? Vietnam war? Chinese communist purges? Chinese faces lots of racism here. Why as an Asian or a Hispanic should I have to give reparations to black people? We didn’t use slaves and it’s not something I will apologize for.

Actually, you do realize that Brazil and the Caribbean had far more slaves than the U.S., don’t you? Spain colonized those areas (mostly). So Hispanics owe too. Asians, not so much. Anyhow, reparations are not the way to go. Handing money out never solves anything. Just further enslaves people to welfare vs. hard work and ingenuity.

Anonymous wrote:Nobody is disputing 400 years of systemic oppression.

Plenty of valid concerns and questions and objections to reparations have been raised, however. Yet it seems like the 2-3 reparations supporters who have been pushing this for 44 pages just mow over the concerns and objections every time they're raised. The only response to questions or concerns seems to be: but 400 years of systemic oppression.

Who gets reparations? How do we do this without bankrupting the country for generations? Why not also give reparations to American Indians or victims of US aggression abroad? What about the example of lottery winners (white and black), who use their cash on frivolous stuff and not as an investment in housing or education? How would $50K improve housing choices when it might get you a downpayment on a house in Bethesda, but it won't help you pay the remaining mortgage for $950K? Why is cash better than spending the same amount, or more, on improving education, subsidizing mortgages, training and rehabilitation, breaking down the 1994 crime law, boosting Head Start, boosting the estate tax, subsidizing college, universal healthcare, et cetera?

Continuing to cite 400 years isn't a satisfactory answer to these questions.

Here is Obama on why he opposes reparations:

I fear that reparations would be an excuse for some to say ‘we’ve paid our debt’ and to avoid the much harder work of enforcing our anti-discrimination laws in employment and housing; the much harder work of making sure that our schools are not separate and unequal; the much harder work of providing job training programs and rehabilitating young men coming out of prison every year; and the much harder work of lifting 37 million Americans of all races out of poverty.

These challenges will not go away with reparations. So while I applaud and agree with the underlying sentiment of recognizing the continued legacy of slavery, I would prefer to focus on the issues that will directly address these problems — and building a consensus to do just that.

Also:

I have said in the past — and I’ll repeat again — that the best reparations we can provide are good schools in the inner city and jobs for people who are unemployed.
...And so, you know, I’m much more interested in talking about, how do we get every child to learn? How do we get every person health care? How do we make sure that everybody has a job? How do we make sure that every senior citizen can retire with dignity and respect?
And if we have a program, for example, of universal health care, that will disproportionately affect people of color, because they’re disproportionately uninsured. If we’ve got an agenda that says every child in America should get — should be able to go to college, regardless of income, that will disproportionately affect people of color, because it’s oftentimes our children who can’t afford to go to college.

https://www.washingtonpost.com/politics/2019/07/09/what-obama-actually-said-his-rejection-reparations/

I fear that reparations would be an excuse for some to say ‘we’ve paid our debt’ and to avoid the much harder work of enforcing our anti-discrimination laws in employment and housing; the much harder work of making sure that our schools are not separate and unequal; the much harder work of providing job training programs and rehabilitating young men coming out of prison every year; and the much harder work of lifting 37 million Americans of all races out of poverty.

These challenges will not go away with reparations. So while I applaud and agree with the underlying sentiment of recognizing the continued legacy of slavery, I would prefer to focus on the issues that will directly address these problems — and building a consensus to do just that.

I have said in the past — and I’ll repeat again — that the best reparations we can provide are good schools in the inner city and jobs for people who are unemployed.
...And so, you know, I’m much more interested in talking about, how do we get every child to learn? How do we get every person health care? How do we make sure that everybody has a job? How do we make sure that every senior citizen can retire with dignity and respect?
And if we have a program, for example, of universal health care, that will disproportionately affect people of color, because they’re disproportionately uninsured. If we’ve got an agenda that says every child in America should get — should be able to go to college, regardless of income, that will disproportionately affect people of color, because it’s oftentimes our children who can’t afford to go to college.

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Anonymous wrote:And have Asians and Hispanics for for it? No thanks! Why do black people think they should get special treatment?

Why don’t you think black people should get “special treatment”? They got “special treatment” for 400 years, so...

Every race has faced their pains. Heard of the Nanking massacre in Asia? Vietnam war? Chinese communist purges? Chinese faces lots of racism here. Why as an Asian or a Hispanic should I have to give reparations to black people? We didn’t use slaves and it’s not something I will apologize for.

Actually, you do realize that Brazil and the Caribbean had far more slaves than the U.S., don’t you? Spain colonized those areas (mostly). So Hispanics owe too. Asians, not so much. Anyhow, reparations are not the way to go. Handing money out never solves anything. Just further enslaves people to welfare vs. hard work and ingenuity.

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Anonymous wrote:And have Asians and Hispanics for for it? No thanks! Why do black people think they should get special treatment?

Why don’t you think black people should get “special treatment”? They got “special treatment” for 400 years, so...

Every race has faced their pains. Heard of the Nanking massacre in Asia? Vietnam war? Chinese communist purges? Chinese faces lots of racism here. Why as an Asian or a Hispanic should I have to give reparations to black people? We didn’t use slaves and it’s not something I will apologize for.

Actually, you do realize that Brazil and the Caribbean had far more slaves than the U.S., don’t you? Spain colonized those areas (mostly). So Hispanics owe too. Asians, not so much. Anyhow, reparations are not the way to go. Handing money out never solves anything. Just further enslaves people to welfare vs. hard work and ingenuity.

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Anonymous wrote:And have Asians and Hispanics for for it? No thanks! Why do black people think they should get special treatment?

Why don’t you think black people should get “special treatment”? They got “special treatment” for 400 years, so...

Every race has faced their pains. Heard of the Nanking massacre in Asia? Vietnam war? Chinese communist purges? Chinese faces lots of racism here. Why as an Asian or a Hispanic should I have to give reparations to black people? We didn’t use slaves and it’s not something I will apologize for.

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Anonymous wrote:How about Asian people? Do I owe? What if my cousin, who is half black, half white? Does he get 50% off? What about white people who have ancestors who paid with their lives in the Union Army to end slavery? That seems like a large payment.

What if I'm white and recently immigrated? Do I owe? What if your family immigrated after slavery ended? What if you were oppressed in the country where you were born? What if? What if? I can't see a cash transfer proposal gaining traction when all is said and done. But there are probably other changes that would.

Recent immigrants, and those whose families came to the US after the Civil War, cannot opt out.

People in those categories benefited from undeserved privilege and racist societal structures regardless of when their families came to this country.

Black people benefit from affirmative action, which is a racist policy. They also benefit from the the racist college admissions process so you will have to subtract that from the amount we owe you. For Asians, make that X 2.

Affirmative action is NOT a racist policy.

It is an ongoing effort to counteract the privilege and racism baked into societal structures, and has absolutely nothing to do with the coming reparations.

"Coming reparations." Ha ha ha ha ha ha.
Dream on.

Sorry Trumpy Bear. Your guy is going to lose big in a few months, and the door will open for major progressive changes in this country once Biden takes over.

The time has come for reparations, and it is one of the things that WILL happen under the new administration

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Anonymous wrote:How about Asian people? Do I owe? What if my cousin, who is half black, half white? Does he get 50% off? What about white people who have ancestors who paid with their lives in the Union Army to end slavery? That seems like a large payment.

What if I'm white and recently immigrated? Do I owe? What if your family immigrated after slavery ended? What if you were oppressed in the country where you were born? What if? What if? I can't see a cash transfer proposal gaining traction when all is said and done. But there are probably other changes that would.

Recent immigrants, and those whose families came to the US after the Civil War, cannot opt out.

People in those categories benefited from undeserved privilege and racist societal structures regardless of when their families came to this country.

Black people benefit from affirmative action, which is a racist policy. They also benefit from the the racist college admissions process so you will have to subtract that from the amount we owe you. For Asians, make that X 2.

Affirmative action is NOT a racist policy.

It is an ongoing effort to counteract the privilege and racism baked into societal structures, and has absolutely nothing to do with the coming reparations.

"Coming reparations." Ha ha ha ha ha ha.
Dream on.

Sorry Trumpy Bear. Your guy is going to lose big in a few months, and the door will open for major progressive changes in this country once Biden takes over.

The time has come for reparations, and it is one of the things that WILL happen under the new administration