Anonymous
09/14/2020 13:49
Subject: 2021 USNews rankings
Anonymous wrote:any ranking that puts usc tied with michigan is a joke, USC should be way higher
At scandal?
Anonymous
09/14/2020 13:49
Subject: 2021 USNews rankings
Anonymous wrote:Harvey Mudd College
Claremont, CA
#25
in
National Liberal Arts Colleges (tie)
Crazy.
You could count on one hand almost the number of schools (all categories) who have graduates who are as in demand.
Anonymous
09/14/2020 13:38
Subject: 2021 USNews rankings
any ranking that puts usc tied with michigan is a joke, USC should be way higher
Anonymous
09/14/2020 12:50
Subject: 2021 USNews rankings
Anonymous wrote:Anonymous wrote:Anonymous wrote:Anonymous wrote:University of Rochester is really up there. I'm not familiar with the school-- I'm a recent transplant from the West Coast.
What kind of kid goes there? What is the appeal?
It’s definitely an up-and-coming school. Great school for smart hard-working kids who want a solid and respected education but aren’t totally after the prestige.
And can cope with snowy winters!!!
And falls. And springs.
PP asking about U Roch, consider making a new thread about it. Your question will get lost in this one.
Anonymous
09/14/2020 12:47
Subject: 2021 USNews rankings
Anonymous wrote:Anonymous wrote:Anonymous wrote:University of Rochester is really up there. I'm not familiar with the school-- I'm a recent transplant from the West Coast.
What kind of kid goes there? What is the appeal?
It’s definitely an up-and-coming school. Great school for smart hard-working kids who want a solid and respected education but aren’t totally after the prestige.
And can cope with snowy winters!!!
And falls. And springs.
Anonymous
09/14/2020 12:43
Subject: 2021 USNews rankings
Anonymous wrote:Anonymous wrote:USNWR is a cancer on the whole system. The rankings change for stupid reasons every year just so they can sell crap.
The dirty secret is that it generally doesn't really matter where you go to school for undergrad. Successful people will be successful no matter where they go. Without the added dumb pressure of USNWR rankings, college tuition would be lower.
True, the elite will always be "Ivy Plus" schools: Ivy League, Stanford, MIT, Duke and Chicago.
The real reason parents obsess over undergrad admissions is because of their dating pools. Too many dimwit losers at non-selective schools you don't want your rich son or daughter mixing with.
Lol.
Anonymous
09/14/2020 12:30
Subject: 2021 USNews rankings
Anonymous wrote:USNWR is a cancer on the whole system. The rankings change for stupid reasons every year just so they can sell crap.
The dirty secret is that it generally doesn't really matter where you go to school for undergrad. Successful people will be successful no matter where they go. Without the added dumb pressure of USNWR rankings, college tuition would be lower.
True, the elite will always be "Ivy Plus" schools: Ivy League, Stanford, MIT, Duke and Chicago.
The real reason parents obsess over undergrad admissions is because of their dating pools. Too many dimwit losers at non-selective schools you don't want your rich son or daughter mixing with.
Anonymous
09/14/2020 12:16
Subject: 2021 USNews rankings
https://www.usnews.com/education/best-colleges/articles/how-us-news-calculated-the-rankings
says that "Schools that ranked the highest had the lowest average amount of debt accrued by their the most recent graduates and a relatively small proportion of students graduating with debt compared with other schools in their U.S. News ranking category." This makes up 5% of the ranking (3% for indebtedness level, 2% for proportion with debt).
Basically, colleges with more students from wealthier families and enough money of their own to fund good financial aid for the few who do need it will do better on this measure. In other words, it skews the ranking in favor of the usual prestige privates.
In theory, these ranking factors could create incentive for colleges to offer better financial aid to reduce the amount of debt and the percentage of students with debt. However, it may be easier and less costly for colleges just to chase students from wealthier families to improve these ranking factors.
says that "Schools that ranked the highest had the lowest average amount of debt accrued by their the most recent graduates and a relatively small proportion of students graduating with debt compared with other schools in their U.S. News ranking category." This makes up 5% of the ranking (3% for indebtedness level, 2% for proportion with debt).
Basically, colleges with more students from wealthier families and enough money of their own to fund good financial aid for the few who do need it will do better on this measure. In other words, it skews the ranking in favor of the usual prestige privates.
In theory, these ranking factors could create incentive for colleges to offer better financial aid to reduce the amount of debt and the percentage of students with debt. However, it may be easier and less costly for colleges just to chase students from wealthier families to improve these ranking factors.
Anonymous
09/14/2020 11:52
Subject: Re:2021 USNews rankings
Anonymous wrote:Anonymous wrote:Caltech is tied for #9 nationally. Not bad for a "provincial" school.
Background: https://www.dcurbanmom.com/jforum/posts/list/150/907991.page#18050256
Only someone who can't do the addition 2+2 would belittle Caltech as a "provincial" school. All others who are into sciences, math, and engineering know its reputation around the world.
Caltech belong in the cluster with Olin - not MIT. One dimensional.
Anonymous
09/14/2020 11:40
Subject: 2021 USNews rankings
AU and GWU, that is.
Anonymous
09/14/2020 11:39
Subject: 2021 USNews rankings
Anonymous wrote:Anonymous wrote:University of Rochester is really up there. I'm not familiar with the school-- I'm a recent transplant from the West Coast.
What kind of kid goes there? What is the appeal?
Seems to especially attract premed and STEM generally, has good econ and the Eastman School of Music. The international portion is large at 37%.
It has always been highly-ranked; fell from 29 to 34 in this particular fluctuation. More known in the Northeast, naturally.
WNY weather, cloudy, cold/wet, and generally gloomy. Tunnels in between buildings. Pretty, traditional campus on the edge of town, very close to airport. Greek houses on campus, though I don't know what percent participate. They offer merit, have need-based aid but the reliability seems to vary. Been test-flexible for a few years now. Heavily consider demonstrated interest; the optional interview isn't really optional, applicants should try to do it. For priority merit availability, submit RD app by Dec 1.
I haven't come across the 2024 acceptance rate yet. They no longer release their Common Data Set admission stats, though 2023 stats can be found here: https://nces.ed.gov/collegenavigator/?q=university+of+rochester&s=all&id=195030#admsns (30%, ebrw 640-720, math 670-780, ACT 30-34)
Unfortunately, the virtual info session one of my kids did last summer was just awful and I can't get him to apply. Hopefully they've improved since then. In the past, I did an in-person tour with a different kid who liked it.
thanks to you and others that have provided feedback!
Anonymous
09/14/2020 11:38
Subject: 2021 USNews rankings
I predict they will flip at some point. AU is on the rise, with a great new president, among other things.
Anonymous
09/14/2020 11:19
Subject: 2021 USNews rankings
Anonymous wrote:Anonymous wrote:UMD now ranked ahead of Penn State.
But behind Pitt.
And people here are also asking, "what is the appeal of pitt?"
It is a strong school!
Pitt and UMD are both much stronger academically than Penn State, yet PSU continues to have enormous appeal. Confusing!
Anonymous
09/14/2020 11:11
Subject: 2021 USNews rankings
Anonymous wrote:University of Rochester is really up there. I'm not familiar with the school-- I'm a recent transplant from the West Coast.
What kind of kid goes there? What is the appeal?
Seems to especially attract premed and STEM generally, has good econ and the Eastman School of Music. The international portion is large at 37%.
It has always been highly-ranked; fell from 29 to 34 in this particular fluctuation. More known in the Northeast, naturally.
WNY weather, cloudy, cold/wet, and generally gloomy. Tunnels in between buildings. Pretty, traditional campus on the edge of town, very close to airport. Greek houses on campus, though I don't know what percent participate. They offer merit, have need-based aid but the reliability seems to vary. Been test-flexible for a few years now. Heavily consider demonstrated interest; the optional interview isn't really optional, applicants should try to do it. For priority merit availability, submit RD app by Dec 1.
I haven't come across the 2024 acceptance rate yet. They no longer release their Common Data Set admission stats, though 2023 stats can be found here: https://nces.ed.gov/collegenavigator/?q=university+of+rochester&s=all&id=195030#admsns (30%, ebrw 640-720, math 670-780, ACT 30-34)
Unfortunately, the virtual info session one of my kids did last summer was just awful and I can't get him to apply. Hopefully they've improved since then. In the past, I did an in-person tour with a different kid who liked it.
Anonymous
09/14/2020 11:03
Subject: Re:2021 USNews rankings
Anonymous wrote:Caltech is tied for #9 nationally. Not bad for a "provincial" school.
Background: https://www.dcurbanmom.com/jforum/posts/list/150/907991.page#18050256
Only someone who can't do the addition 2+2 would belittle Caltech as a "provincial" school. All others who are into sciences, math, and engineering know its reputation around the world.