Anonymous
Post 07/23/2019 09:48     Subject: Cruise Ship Lawsuit & Today Show
Anonymous wrote:
Anonymous wrote:I wonder if their close friends are supporting their lawsuit and validating the crazy. And how that plays in to their decision to sue in the first place. They probably have a town full of cheerleaders agreeing that they are doing the right thing by suing, even though the entire rest of the world assigns the blame with the grandfather.


They probably are to their faces but disapprove behind their backs.


I posted previously about something like this happening where I grew up. No one was supportive of the lawsuit but people supported the family, since after all, they did just lose a child. But when the dust was settled, they had lost pretty much all their friends because of their behavior
Anonymous
Post 07/23/2019 09:46     Subject: Cruise Ship Lawsuit & Today Show
Anonymous wrote:
Anonymous wrote:
Anonymous wrote:These are profoundly ignorant Midwestern Nice types. Myopic and certain they are Good Country People/Real Americans, no matter what.


What the heck does that mean? And their midwestern neighbors are likely straight shooters who are unlikely to be sympathetic to a delusional money and notoriety grab.


I said what I said and even moderately intelligent people know that I’m right. Were the family brown or black, were the Dad not in law enforcement, the comments here would have been vituperative from the jump and a money grab, not a life-raft in a sea of mourning, would’ve been the presumed motive for keeping on with a lawsuit, granting interviews, etc.

It is exhausting to see who gets the benefit of the doubt and who doesn’t in discussion here. And I feel for the family and know this was a horrific and momentary lapse in judgement by the grandfather.


This is 100% right.
Anonymous
Post 07/23/2019 09:44     Subject: Cruise Ship Lawsuit & Today Show
I hope RC settles with them, with the terms of the settlement that they’ll prevent this tragedy from happening to anyone else. Then promptly ban the grandfather from all RC cruises. Thereby abiding by the terms of their settlement.
Anonymous
Post 07/23/2019 09:41     Subject: Cruise Ship Lawsuit & Today Show
Anonymous wrote:
Anonymous wrote:These are profoundly ignorant Midwestern Nice types. Myopic and certain they are Good Country People/Real Americans, no matter what.


What the heck does that mean? And their midwestern neighbors are likely straight shooters who are unlikely to be sympathetic to a delusional money and notoriety grab.


I said what I said and even moderately intelligent people know that I’m right. Were the family brown or black, were the Dad not in law enforcement, the comments here would have been vituperative from the jump and a money grab, not a life-raft in a sea of mourning, would’ve been the presumed motive for keeping on with a lawsuit, granting interviews, etc.

It is exhausting to see who gets the benefit of the doubt and who doesn’t in discussion here. And I feel for the family and know this was a horrific and momentary lapse in judgement by the grandfather.
Anonymous
Post 07/23/2019 09:06     Subject: Cruise Ship Lawsuit & Today Show
Anonymous wrote:I watched that interview and I sobbed. I think there’s a lot motivating the lawsuit. Heartbreak, denial of the grandfather’s role in this, feelings of anger that are easier to place on a large corporation than a beloved family member, a feeling of hopelessness and need to hold someone accountable, etc.

Their lawyer is a life raft while they are drowning in grief. He is telling them what they want to hear.

I can’t possibly judge this family. RC will be fine based on the fact most people think it was grandpa’s fault anyway. I don’t really think the public at large is outraged at RC. The cruise line will be fine.

This family though is living a nightmare and will be for a long time. Let’s have some compassion even if we don’t agree with the lawsuit.


All of this. They are blind in a sort of double grief. They've lost their baby because of a grandparent. That's a huge emotional tornado to be in. I hope they all get some therapy to process it all.
Anonymous
Post 07/23/2019 09:02     Subject: Cruise Ship Lawsuit & Today Show
Anonymous wrote:
Anonymous wrote:Can someone please post a picture the railing/glass area? I'm having a hard time envisioning what happened.


There's a 30-page+ thread on the crime - go over there https://www.dcurbanmom.com/jforum/posts/list/815213.page


Thank you. I just reviewed that thread. I'm really confused about how the family is able to sue the cruise ship. That railing was really high hitting well above the waist and below the chest and the windows slide open so it was clearly open when the grandfather decided to lift the child up to his chest level to stand on the railing in front of an open window. There is no possibly way for the family to justify this being done. It was clearly bad judgement on the grandfathers part and his lack of accountability and responsibility is disturbing.
Anonymous
Post 07/23/2019 08:42     Subject: Cruise Ship Lawsuit & Today Show
Anonymous wrote:I posted on the other thread about the family that chose to blame the family dog rather than the grandpa when a child wandered into an unlocked shed and lost a couple fingers on a table saw. I think they entered a sort of mass foile a deux shared delusion in order to preserve the relationship with grandpa. Otherwise, the family would have fractured.

RC Grandpa seems so arrogant that I don’t think he’d commit suicide if he was blamed. But I think that the toddler’s mom night chose to never speak to or see him again. And that would mean the wife/grandma would have to make a choice.


+1

I’m not saying it’s right, but psychologically it’s much easier for this family to collectively delude themselves and blame the cruise ship line than to deal with all the emotions and fallout of acknowledging that the grandpa killed the toddler through his utter stupidity.
Anonymous
Post 07/23/2019 08:14     Subject: Cruise Ship Lawsuit & Today Show
Anonymous wrote:These are profoundly ignorant Midwestern Nice types. Myopic and certain they are Good Country People/Real Americans, no matter what.


What the heck does that mean? And their midwestern neighbors are likely straight shooters who are unlikely to be sympathetic to a delusional money and notoriety grab.
Anonymous
Post 07/23/2019 08:05     Subject: Cruise Ship Lawsuit & Today Show
Anonymous wrote:I wonder if their close friends are supporting their lawsuit and validating the crazy. And how that plays in to their decision to sue in the first place. They probably have a town full of cheerleaders agreeing that they are doing the right thing by suing, even though the entire rest of the world assigns the blame with the grandfather.


They probably are to their faces but disapprove behind their backs.
Anonymous
Post 07/23/2019 07:52     Subject: Cruise Ship Lawsuit & Today Show
Anonymous wrote:I follow RC and cruising groups online, and I can report that nobody supports the family of this lawsuit. Nobody. Everyone feels sorry for the family, but the error was the grandfather's judgment.


Other than the child dying, this is the saddest thing I've read on this thread.
Anonymous
Post 07/23/2019 07:50     Subject: Cruise Ship Lawsuit & Today Show
I wonder if their close friends are supporting their lawsuit and validating the crazy. And how that plays in to their decision to sue in the first place. They probably have a town full of cheerleaders agreeing that they are doing the right thing by suing, even though the entire rest of the world assigns the blame with the grandfather.
Anonymous
Post 07/23/2019 07:09     Subject: Cruise Ship Lawsuit & Today Show
Grandpa might still be charged.
Anonymous
Post 07/23/2019 07:07     Subject: Cruise Ship Lawsuit & Today Show
Anonymous wrote:I watched that interview and I sobbed. I think there’s a lot motivating the lawsuit. Heartbreak, denial of the grandfather’s role in this, feelings of anger that are easier to place on a large corporation than a beloved family member, a feeling of hopelessness and need to hold someone accountable, etc.

Their lawyer is a life raft while they are drowning in grief. He is telling them what they want to hear.

I can’t possibly judge this family. RC will be fine based on the fact most people think it was grandpa’s fault anyway. I don’t really think the public at large is outraged at RC. The cruise line will be fine.

This family though is living a nightmare and will be for a long time. Let’s have some compassion even if we don’t agree with the lawsuit.


+1.
Anonymous
Post 07/23/2019 06:47     Subject: Cruise Ship Lawsuit & Today Show
These are profoundly ignorant Midwestern Nice types. Myopic and certain they are Good Country People/Real Americans, no matter what.
Anonymous
Post 07/23/2019 06:24     Subject: Cruise Ship Lawsuit & Today Show
I posted on the other thread about the family that chose to blame the family dog rather than the grandpa when a child wandered into an unlocked shed and lost a couple fingers on a table saw. I think they entered a sort of mass foile a deux shared delusion in order to preserve the relationship with grandpa. Otherwise, the family would have fractured.

RC Grandpa seems so arrogant that I don’t think he’d commit suicide if he was blamed. But I think that the toddler’s mom night chose to never speak to or see him again. And that would mean the wife/grandma would have to make a choice.