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Anonymous wrote:Ok here is a quick summary:

1. Reid and school board want to change boundaries for social justice purposes
2. Followed playbook and pretended to involve community in the process
3. Again following playbook hired an incompetent contractor so they have a party to blame
4. Provided a series of options to demonstrate due diligence
5. Reid and school board will make a final decision based on social justice principles that varies greatly from every option presented to date
6. Will blame contractor when people who didn’t see this coming complain

Did I miss anything?

Exactly what I figured. Glad to hear it from the horses mouth.

Thank you for exposing your true feelings

People need to stop responding to this troll.

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Anonymous wrote:Ok here is a quick summary:

1. Reid and school board want to change boundaries for social justice purposes
2. Followed playbook and pretended to involve community in the process
3. Again following playbook hired an incompetent contractor so they have a party to blame
4. Provided a series of options to demonstrate due diligence
5. Reid and school board will make a final decision based on social justice principles that varies greatly from every option presented to date
6. Will blame contractor when people who didn’t see this coming complain

Did I miss anything?

Exactly what I figured. Glad to hear it from the horses mouth.

Thank you for exposing your true feelings

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Anonymous wrote:Ok here is a quick summary:

1. Reid and school board want to change boundaries for social justice purposes
2. Followed playbook and pretended to involve community in the process
3. Again following playbook hired an incompetent contractor so they have a party to blame
4. Provided a series of options to demonstrate due diligence
5. Reid and school board will make a final decision based on social justice principles that varies greatly from every option presented to date
6. Will blame contractor when people who didn’t see this coming complain

Did I miss anything?

Yeah.

The original motivation for the county-wide review may have been equity-driven.

Frisch et al came up with the idea they could make a lot of equity-driven changes as long as they claimed it was being done in the name of “efficiency.”

Reid signed up for this and said the boundary review could be “transformational.”

Then they got cold feet after the election, like they always do. They hired a consultant who went after what they thought would be low-hanging fruit - attendance islands, lopsided split feeders, and schools over 105% capacity.

The consultant was so incompetent that they created new problems almost every time they tried to “fix” an existing “problem.” And it turns out people generally don’t care that much about islands and split feeders, which they should have already known based on prior feedback.

When they realized their hired consultant was so bad, they went into panic mode and started back-tracking even further in community meetings.

They decided the best way to put lipstick on this rancid pig was for the likes of Sandy Anderson to pontificate that “we can’t fix every problem at once.”

It’s a complete mess. All they really needed to do was address a couple of overcrowded elementary schools like Coates and set boundaries for the new western HS.

Beautiful, now we all know how ridiculous you sound

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Anonymous wrote:Ok here is a quick summary:

1. Reid and school board want to change boundaries for social justice purposes
2. Followed playbook and pretended to involve community in the process
3. Again following playbook hired an incompetent contractor so they have a party to blame
4. Provided a series of options to demonstrate due diligence
5. Reid and school board will make a final decision based on social justice principles that varies greatly from every option presented to date
6. Will blame contractor when people who didn’t see this coming complain

Did I miss anything?

Yeah.

The original motivation for the county-wide review may have been equity-driven.

Frisch et al came up with the idea they could make a lot of equity-driven changes as long as they claimed it was being done in the name of “efficiency.”

Reid signed up for this and said the boundary review could be “transformational.”

Then they got cold feet after the election, like they always do. They hired a consultant who went after what they thought would be low-hanging fruit - attendance islands, lopsided split feeders, and schools over 105% capacity.

The consultant was so incompetent that they created new problems almost every time they tried to “fix” an existing “problem.” And it turns out people generally don’t care that much about islands and split feeders, which they should have already known based on prior feedback.

When they realized their hired consultant was so bad, they went into panic mode and started back-tracking even further in community meetings.

They decided the best way to put lipstick on this rancid pig was for the likes of Sandy Anderson to pontificate that “we can’t fix every problem at once.”

It’s a complete mess. All they really needed to do was address a couple of overcrowded elementary schools like Coates and set boundaries for the new western HS.

Anonymous wrote:Ok here is a quick summary:

1. Reid and school board want to change boundaries for social justice purposes
2. Followed playbook and pretended to involve community in the process
3. Again following playbook hired an incompetent contractor so they have a party to blame
4. Provided a series of options to demonstrate due diligence
5. Reid and school board will make a final decision based on social justice principles that varies greatly from every option presented to date
6. Will blame contractor when people who didn’t see this coming complain

Did I miss anything?

Anonymous wrote:

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Anonymous wrote:Ok here is a quick summary:

1. Reid and school board want to change boundaries for social justice purposes
2. Followed playbook and pretended to involve community in the process
3. Again following playbook hired an incompetent contractor so they have a party to blame
4. Provided a series of options to demonstrate due diligence
5. Reid and school board will make a final decision based on social justice principles that varies greatly from every option presented to date
6. Will blame contractor when people who didn’t see this coming complain

Did I miss anything?

You forgot bought a new school and plan to set the boundaries for the new school after resetting the boundaries for the county, to include schools that are going to be moved tot he new school.

Noted, but I wanted to keep it simple. Adding the absurdity of setting and resetting boundaries would be valid, except they will need to scramble in the end when rescaling a private school to public use takes longer and costs more to undertake to resize classrooms, gyms, cafeterias, libraries, etc. The newly purchased school will have no students in it in the Fall of 26.

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Anonymous wrote:Ok here is a quick summary:

1. Reid and school board want to change boundaries for social justice purposes
2. Followed playbook and pretended to involve community in the process
3. Again following playbook hired an incompetent contractor so they have a party to blame
4. Provided a series of options to demonstrate due diligence
5. Reid and school board will make a final decision based on social justice principles that varies greatly from every option presented to date
6. Will blame contractor when people who didn’t see this coming complain

Did I miss anything?

You forgot bought a new school and plan to set the boundaries for the new school after resetting the boundaries for the county, to include schools that are going to be moved tot he new school.

Noted, but I wanted to keep it simple. Adding the absurdity of setting and resetting boundaries would be valid, except they will need to scramble in the end when rescaling a private school to public use takes longer and costs more to undertake to resize classrooms, gyms, cafeterias, libraries, etc. The newly purchased school will have no students in it in the Fall of 26.

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:Ok here is a quick summary:

1. Reid and school board want to change boundaries for social justice purposes
2. Followed playbook and pretended to involve community in the process
3. Again following playbook hired an incompetent contractor so they have a party to blame
4. Provided a series of options to demonstrate due diligence
5. Reid and school board will make a final decision based on social justice principles that varies greatly from every option presented to date
6. Will blame contractor when people who didn’t see this coming complain

Did I miss anything?

You forgot bought a new school and plan to set the boundaries for the new school after resetting the boundaries for the county, to include schools that are going to be moved tot he new school.

Anonymous wrote:Ok here is a quick summary:

1. Reid and school board want to change boundaries for social justice purposes
2. Followed playbook and pretended to involve community in the process
3. Again following playbook hired an incompetent contractor so they have a party to blame
4. Provided a series of options to demonstrate due diligence
5. Reid and school board will make a final decision based on social justice principles that varies greatly from every option presented to date
6. Will blame contractor when people who didn’t see this coming complain

Did I miss anything?

Anonymous wrote:Ok here is a quick summary:

1. Reid and school board want to change boundaries for social justice purposes
2. Followed playbook and pretended to involve community in the process
3. Again following playbook hired an incompetent contractor so they have a party to blame
4. Provided a series of options to demonstrate due diligence
5. Reid and school board will make a final decision based on social justice principles that varies greatly from every option presented to date
6. Will blame contractor when people who didn’t see this coming complain

Did I miss anything?

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Anonymous wrote:So there was a meeting in Lorton station December 17th. I missed that.


Where was that posted?


Found it: https://www.fcps.edu/about-fcps/maps/2024-202...e-2-part-2-fall-2025

They're exploring options for Hagel Circle.

Hagel Circle to Lorton Station makes the most sense, but there are a few other easy changes that the board can make to reduce capacity at Hayfield to eliminate the potential split feeder and reduce capacity at Lorton Station.

1.) Neighborhoods located at the corner of Gunston and Route 1 currently zoned for Hayfield - zone to South County. The South County busses that go out on Mason Neck drive through this intersection. This will also help make Gunston a more even split feeder. Due to the geographic area that Gunston encompasses, it's impossible to not have as a split feeder.

2.) Cancel the proposed move of Inlet Cove to Island Creek from Gunston - this puts Gunston's population back up at 83% where it is currently, pre the proposed thru maps.

3.) It was previously posted that Lorton Station is an AAP center, which it became after it shoved Hagel Circle out to Halley 10-15 years ago. AAP enrollment at Lorton Station shows that it's mostly utilized by students from Saratoga Elementary, who use Lorton Station and then Lake Braddock as a way to escape Saratoga/Lewis. Send the Saratoga kids to an AAP center in the Lewis pyramid or have them attend Level IV. It's confusing as to why the Hayfield/SoCo AAP center is being utilized mostly by a Lewis pyramid elementary school.

Hagel Circle kids get to attend school in their neighborhood and everyone is happy.

There is some misinformation you have.

First, Hagel Circle was never shoved out of Lorton Station Elementary. It was never zoned for that school because of the capacity. There was plenty of space available at Halley, which Gunston nor Lorton Station could accommodate. Hagel Circle has been zoned for Halley since 2005 from the maps I was able to find online(FCPS boundary).

Lorton Station Elementary was originally part of South County Pyramid. In 2008, it was rezoned to Hayfield because of overcrowding. Unfortunately for Lorton Station, it was determined by the school board that they be selected for the rezoning. Travel times for people living in Lorton to Hayfield has been as issue since. South County is located in Lorton, yet Lorton Station students are sent to a school in Alexandria which is much further. Many Lorton Station students are unable to participate in after school activities because of the distance, especially during peak driving hours.

Do you even know the number of students from Saratoga that go to school at Lorton Station Elementary? Your solution to the problem may not be appropriate.

37. Saratoga sends the most AAP students to Lorton Station out of all of the other schools do which it is the center.

That information is not publicly available. Where did you get that information?

Not PP but here it is:
Hagel Circle SPA total 146 and FCPS could boundary change ES within the pyramid to move Hagel Circle. https://www.fcps.edu/system/files/forms/2025-12/20251217_presentation_lorton_area.pptx_.pdf
FCPS usually published transfer data by Oct 8 using Sept membership numbers. This year it was not updated but you can still see school year 2024-25. https://www.fcps.edu/facilities-planning-future/facilities-and-membership-dashboards

1st click shows the numbers in and out by reason and the AAP sending area.
Lorton Station: 736=total transfer in AAP 52+ 28 other transfers - 68 transfer out
2nd click shows where they transfer from but not the reason:
Saratoga 29
Laurel Hill 17
Gunston 10
Newington Forest 10

80 total transferred in, above totals 66 so 14 total came from 7 other schools. At 1 per each of them that leaves 7 kids that could have all been from the same site. IDK.

Your statements are so hard to make out. Could you put it into clear language what you are trying to say….

FCPS has transfer data for schools but oddly has not updated it for this school year. Lorton Station has plenty of room for the Hagel Circle students if it had boundary changes within South County feeders, adjusted AAP feeders within the pyramid, and removed the Lewis feeder. So it's just sloppy work.

Things are always a lot more nuanced than understood.

Gunston also has room to take the Hagel Circle students as part of scenario 4. There was a lot of pushback from Gunston parents, and the issue cited was septic... Odd.. Is that true? Has an engineer come out to verify...?

Yes, Gunston ES is on septic. They have public water but no public sewer.

So what’s the issue? To put this issue to rest, let’s have an engineer come out and figure out what is the maximum capacity it can handle. If the engineer states Hagel circle can be added without any issue, would you be willing to accept them?

Maybe study up on septic systems before making suggestions like this.

I don't have a bone to pick over there across the coynty, but I did grow up septic systems.

The fewer kids the better for a school like Gunston.

Don’t worry, there is an engineer coming out to check out the septic issue mentioned by Gunston parents.

Ok Lorton Station mom, or maybe you’re a Saratoga mom afraid your kids will get kicked out of an AAP center not even in the Lewis Pyramid. It’s pretty hilarious how you keep trying to disparage Gunston parents for wanting to keep their community intact, instead of finding ways to embrace and make the Hagel Circle families feel welcome within their community.

What do you mean keep the community intact, Hagel Circle was part of Gunston Elementary and never zoned for Lorton Station. We don’t even go to the same South County like you all. They are part of your community but y’all kept them out!

It’s about the same distance. Lorton station was overcrowded for many years. Check all the capacity limits from 2005-2020. Its boundaries never really changed yet at one point there were 6 trailers. Major issue because it serves two large apartment complexes.

It was made part of scenario 4 for a reason and Gunston Parents on Oct. 22nd threw a fit to keep Hagel Circle out. I WAS THERE!!!

Lorton Station is that way because of AAP!

There’s one crazy Lorton Station mom in this thread and she’s unhinged. She can’t accept several facts:

1.) Any “capacity issues” at Lorton Station are related to it being an AAP center. The AAP numbers are public and it’s not heavily used by Gunston, Newington Forest, Laurel Hill, Halley etc…it seems to mostly exist as another escape hatch for Lewis zoned Saratoga kids.

2.) Gunston is on a septic system and there are capacity limits and some issues with the system. This was confirmed by the Gunston Principal. Gunston is not a big school, it’s also 70 years old.

3.) Hagel Circle was neatly cut from the Lorton Station borders and sent to Halley 15-20 years ago. This gave Lorton Station excess capacity to set up the AAP center that exists today.

4.) Yes, Hagel Circle used to be zoned for Gunston. This was when Lorton Elementary closed in the 1980s and the only elementary schools in that area of Fairfax County were Silverbrook and Gunston. Look at aerial maps - there was a lot less development. As more development occurred, new schools opened. If Hagel Circle is going to be moved from Halley - send the kids to Lorton Station, make Gunston a full feeder to South County and send Hagel Circle to Hayfield with the rest of Lorton Station.

I’m sorry but you’re wrong on the points.

Hagel circle was sent to Halley because of capacity issues. Lorton station could not in 2005 handle Hagel Circle. It’s not part of Lorton station. It’s actually part of historic Gunston. Lorton station has two parts, north and south. North is close to Pohick rd and south near Gunston. Many Lorton station residents go to laurel hill elementary. We’ve been separated.

You are just mad that Hagle Circle will become part of Gunston elementary like it used to be. They were zoned to Gunston elementary so why are you guys so upset about it?

There is no direct path from Hagel Circle to Lorton Station elementary. Anybody that wants to walk will take about 25 to 35 minutes.

What do you mean by, “ it seems to mostly exist as another escape hatch for Lewis zoned Saratoga kids”? You’ll have to fill us in

Are you the same poster yelling at people for using the term BRAC?

There are hundreds, even thousands, of posts about the hundreds of kids transferring out of Lewis each year.

Just pick a number on the page list in this thread and you will likely find multiple posts about Lewis and transfers.

You’re not answering the question… imagine you in a court room…. lol

Hmmm.

To make things simpler for you, here we go:

https://www.dcurbanmom.com/jforum/posts/list/1192167.page

https://www.dcurbanmom.com/jforum/posts/list/1259759.page#29532494

https://www.dcurbanmom.com/jforum/posts/list/1232271.page


Enjoy catching up. It is a lot of reading. The threads get shut down and locked when they hit around 400 pages.

One of these threads has a really good summary in the first 10-20 pages.

Be sure to click on the links to watch all the daytime work sessions where the school board discusses revising policy 8130 to frame it around One Fairfax and equity.

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Anonymous wrote:So there was a meeting in Lorton station December 17th. I missed that.


Where was that posted?


Found it: https://www.fcps.edu/about-fcps/maps/2024-202...e-2-part-2-fall-2025

They're exploring options for Hagel Circle.

Hagel Circle to Lorton Station makes the most sense, but there are a few other easy changes that the board can make to reduce capacity at Hayfield to eliminate the potential split feeder and reduce capacity at Lorton Station.

1.) Neighborhoods located at the corner of Gunston and Route 1 currently zoned for Hayfield - zone to South County. The South County busses that go out on Mason Neck drive through this intersection. This will also help make Gunston a more even split feeder. Due to the geographic area that Gunston encompasses, it's impossible to not have as a split feeder.

2.) Cancel the proposed move of Inlet Cove to Island Creek from Gunston - this puts Gunston's population back up at 83% where it is currently, pre the proposed thru maps.

3.) It was previously posted that Lorton Station is an AAP center, which it became after it shoved Hagel Circle out to Halley 10-15 years ago. AAP enrollment at Lorton Station shows that it's mostly utilized by students from Saratoga Elementary, who use Lorton Station and then Lake Braddock as a way to escape Saratoga/Lewis. Send the Saratoga kids to an AAP center in the Lewis pyramid or have them attend Level IV. It's confusing as to why the Hayfield/SoCo AAP center is being utilized mostly by a Lewis pyramid elementary school.

Hagel Circle kids get to attend school in their neighborhood and everyone is happy.

There is some misinformation you have.

First, Hagel Circle was never shoved out of Lorton Station Elementary. It was never zoned for that school because of the capacity. There was plenty of space available at Halley, which Gunston nor Lorton Station could accommodate. Hagel Circle has been zoned for Halley since 2005 from the maps I was able to find online(FCPS boundary).

Lorton Station Elementary was originally part of South County Pyramid. In 2008, it was rezoned to Hayfield because of overcrowding. Unfortunately for Lorton Station, it was determined by the school board that they be selected for the rezoning. Travel times for people living in Lorton to Hayfield has been as issue since. South County is located in Lorton, yet Lorton Station students are sent to a school in Alexandria which is much further. Many Lorton Station students are unable to participate in after school activities because of the distance, especially during peak driving hours.

Do you even know the number of students from Saratoga that go to school at Lorton Station Elementary? Your solution to the problem may not be appropriate.

37. Saratoga sends the most AAP students to Lorton Station out of all of the other schools do which it is the center.

That information is not publicly available. Where did you get that information?

Not PP but here it is:
Hagel Circle SPA total 146 and FCPS could boundary change ES within the pyramid to move Hagel Circle. https://www.fcps.edu/system/files/forms/2025-12/20251217_presentation_lorton_area.pptx_.pdf
FCPS usually published transfer data by Oct 8 using Sept membership numbers. This year it was not updated but you can still see school year 2024-25. https://www.fcps.edu/facilities-planning-future/facilities-and-membership-dashboards

1st click shows the numbers in and out by reason and the AAP sending area.
Lorton Station: 736=total transfer in AAP 52+ 28 other transfers - 68 transfer out
2nd click shows where they transfer from but not the reason:
Saratoga 29
Laurel Hill 17
Gunston 10
Newington Forest 10

80 total transferred in, above totals 66 so 14 total came from 7 other schools. At 1 per each of them that leaves 7 kids that could have all been from the same site. IDK.

Your statements are so hard to make out. Could you put it into clear language what you are trying to say….

FCPS has transfer data for schools but oddly has not updated it for this school year. Lorton Station has plenty of room for the Hagel Circle students if it had boundary changes within South County feeders, adjusted AAP feeders within the pyramid, and removed the Lewis feeder. So it's just sloppy work.

Things are always a lot more nuanced than understood.

Gunston also has room to take the Hagel Circle students as part of scenario 4. There was a lot of pushback from Gunston parents, and the issue cited was septic... Odd.. Is that true? Has an engineer come out to verify...?

Yes, Gunston ES is on septic. They have public water but no public sewer.

So what’s the issue? To put this issue to rest, let’s have an engineer come out and figure out what is the maximum capacity it can handle. If the engineer states Hagel circle can be added without any issue, would you be willing to accept them?

Maybe study up on septic systems before making suggestions like this.

I don't have a bone to pick over there across the coynty, but I did grow up septic systems.

The fewer kids the better for a school like Gunston.

Don’t worry, there is an engineer coming out to check out the septic issue mentioned by Gunston parents.

Ok Lorton Station mom, or maybe you’re a Saratoga mom afraid your kids will get kicked out of an AAP center not even in the Lewis Pyramid. It’s pretty hilarious how you keep trying to disparage Gunston parents for wanting to keep their community intact, instead of finding ways to embrace and make the Hagel Circle families feel welcome within their community.

What do you mean keep the community intact, Hagel Circle was part of Gunston Elementary and never zoned for Lorton Station. We don’t even go to the same South County like you all. They are part of your community but y’all kept them out!

It’s about the same distance. Lorton station was overcrowded for many years. Check all the capacity limits from 2005-2020. Its boundaries never really changed yet at one point there were 6 trailers. Major issue because it serves two large apartment complexes.

It was made part of scenario 4 for a reason and Gunston Parents on Oct. 22nd threw a fit to keep Hagel Circle out. I WAS THERE!!!

Lorton Station is that way because of AAP!

There’s one crazy Lorton Station mom in this thread and she’s unhinged. She can’t accept several facts:

1.) Any “capacity issues” at Lorton Station are related to it being an AAP center. The AAP numbers are public and it’s not heavily used by Gunston, Newington Forest, Laurel Hill, Halley etc…it seems to mostly exist as another escape hatch for Lewis zoned Saratoga kids.

2.) Gunston is on a septic system and there are capacity limits and some issues with the system. This was confirmed by the Gunston Principal. Gunston is not a big school, it’s also 70 years old.

3.) Hagel Circle was neatly cut from the Lorton Station borders and sent to Halley 15-20 years ago. This gave Lorton Station excess capacity to set up the AAP center that exists today.

4.) Yes, Hagel Circle used to be zoned for Gunston. This was when Lorton Elementary closed in the 1980s and the only elementary schools in that area of Fairfax County were Silverbrook and Gunston. Look at aerial maps - there was a lot less development. As more development occurred, new schools opened. If Hagel Circle is going to be moved from Halley - send the kids to Lorton Station, make Gunston a full feeder to South County and send Hagel Circle to Hayfield with the rest of Lorton Station.

Could you tell me why Lorton Station should lose the AAP program? Where should it be replaced to?

So you want Lorton station to lose AAP because you Gunston Parents don’t want Hagel circle???? Are you kidding me

Are you ESOL or something? No one said anything about Lorton Station losing its status as an AAP center. They should however lose the Saratoga AAP students. Those students should be at Springfield Estates and then Twain Middle AAP along with the rest of their pyramid. It’s weird and doesn’t pass the smell test that just one elementary gets Lorton Station and Lake Braddock AAP.

Mr. Dummy, there are about 30 students from Saratoga at Lorton Station. Do 30 students make up for the capacity issues? Wow. You’re a bright bulb.

Gunston has the capacity. Those flimsy excuses made by Gunston parents were embarrassing to hear at the boundary meeting. Haha

Kicking out the Saratoga AAP has nothing to do with capacity at Lorton Station. They have capacity as it is. This relates to cleaning up the feeder patterns in the area. Why is Saratoga the only Lewis feeding ES who has AAP at Lorton Station and Lake Braddock? People are rightfully pointing out that it creates a backdoor out of Lewis for people who are in an area zoned for Lewis. That shouldn’t be allowed. They should be at Springfield Estates and Twain Middle (until they start MS AAP at all MS) like the rest of their pyramid.

Really Lorton Station should be the AAP center for its own pyramid - Hayfield. But that would definitely overcrowd the school at this point, Hagel Circle or no. And they should have added an AAP center to Halley when they booted out Hagel Circle, but instead it’s going to get a language immersion program no one asked for.

For part 1 of your response, what’s wrong with Lewis? Why would someone want to backdoor out of there?

Part 2, how do you know a language immersion program wasn’t requested? Just because you don’t want Hagel Circle at Gunston, you are calling moves done by a school stupid.

Read this entire thread to get your answers

Get lost

We’ve had plenty of annoying trolls infect this thread with stupidity and nonsense. Looks like we have another one.

I’ll be so glad when Jan is over and this is done — no matter how awful the outcome will be for our family.

You’re the one that says lives on the other side of the county. Your not directly affected by the changes in Lorton so your the real troll.

I live in the area of Springfield that could be sent to South County. Depending on what happens in Lorton, I guess it could impact us because South County only has so much space.

Also, it’s “you’re” not “your.” Couldn’t even figure out what you were trying to say in that first sentence.

I bet we live in the same area.

It’s ridiculous that two other high schools are closer to us (mileage and travel time) than the one we are zoned for.

We are trying to figure out which method we will use to pupil place our rising 9th grader out of Lewis. This definitely seems to be a “thing” for the kids in our neighborhood.

Saratoga?

Saratoga organized and fought to stay at Lewis back when South County opened and they had the opportunity to move to SoCo.

That is why you are zoned for Lewis.

20 years ago your neighbors didn't want to take a chance on a new high school.

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Anonymous wrote:So there was a meeting in Lorton station December 17th. I missed that.


Where was that posted?


Found it: https://www.fcps.edu/about-fcps/maps/2024-202...e-2-part-2-fall-2025

They're exploring options for Hagel Circle.

Hagel Circle to Lorton Station makes the most sense, but there are a few other easy changes that the board can make to reduce capacity at Hayfield to eliminate the potential split feeder and reduce capacity at Lorton Station.

1.) Neighborhoods located at the corner of Gunston and Route 1 currently zoned for Hayfield - zone to South County. The South County busses that go out on Mason Neck drive through this intersection. This will also help make Gunston a more even split feeder. Due to the geographic area that Gunston encompasses, it's impossible to not have as a split feeder.

2.) Cancel the proposed move of Inlet Cove to Island Creek from Gunston - this puts Gunston's population back up at 83% where it is currently, pre the proposed thru maps.

3.) It was previously posted that Lorton Station is an AAP center, which it became after it shoved Hagel Circle out to Halley 10-15 years ago. AAP enrollment at Lorton Station shows that it's mostly utilized by students from Saratoga Elementary, who use Lorton Station and then Lake Braddock as a way to escape Saratoga/Lewis. Send the Saratoga kids to an AAP center in the Lewis pyramid or have them attend Level IV. It's confusing as to why the Hayfield/SoCo AAP center is being utilized mostly by a Lewis pyramid elementary school.

Hagel Circle kids get to attend school in their neighborhood and everyone is happy.

There is some misinformation you have.

First, Hagel Circle was never shoved out of Lorton Station Elementary. It was never zoned for that school because of the capacity. There was plenty of space available at Halley, which Gunston nor Lorton Station could accommodate. Hagel Circle has been zoned for Halley since 2005 from the maps I was able to find online(FCPS boundary).

Lorton Station Elementary was originally part of South County Pyramid. In 2008, it was rezoned to Hayfield because of overcrowding. Unfortunately for Lorton Station, it was determined by the school board that they be selected for the rezoning. Travel times for people living in Lorton to Hayfield has been as issue since. South County is located in Lorton, yet Lorton Station students are sent to a school in Alexandria which is much further. Many Lorton Station students are unable to participate in after school activities because of the distance, especially during peak driving hours.

Do you even know the number of students from Saratoga that go to school at Lorton Station Elementary? Your solution to the problem may not be appropriate.

37. Saratoga sends the most AAP students to Lorton Station out of all of the other schools do which it is the center.

That information is not publicly available. Where did you get that information?

Not PP but here it is:
Hagel Circle SPA total 146 and FCPS could boundary change ES within the pyramid to move Hagel Circle. https://www.fcps.edu/system/files/forms/2025-12/20251217_presentation_lorton_area.pptx_.pdf
FCPS usually published transfer data by Oct 8 using Sept membership numbers. This year it was not updated but you can still see school year 2024-25. https://www.fcps.edu/facilities-planning-future/facilities-and-membership-dashboards

1st click shows the numbers in and out by reason and the AAP sending area.
Lorton Station: 736=total transfer in AAP 52+ 28 other transfers - 68 transfer out
2nd click shows where they transfer from but not the reason:
Saratoga 29
Laurel Hill 17
Gunston 10
Newington Forest 10

80 total transferred in, above totals 66 so 14 total came from 7 other schools. At 1 per each of them that leaves 7 kids that could have all been from the same site. IDK.

Your statements are so hard to make out. Could you put it into clear language what you are trying to say….

FCPS has transfer data for schools but oddly has not updated it for this school year. Lorton Station has plenty of room for the Hagel Circle students if it had boundary changes within South County feeders, adjusted AAP feeders within the pyramid, and removed the Lewis feeder. So it's just sloppy work.

Things are always a lot more nuanced than understood.

Gunston also has room to take the Hagel Circle students as part of scenario 4. There was a lot of pushback from Gunston parents, and the issue cited was septic... Odd.. Is that true? Has an engineer come out to verify...?

Yes, Gunston ES is on septic. They have public water but no public sewer.

So what’s the issue? To put this issue to rest, let’s have an engineer come out and figure out what is the maximum capacity it can handle. If the engineer states Hagel circle can be added without any issue, would you be willing to accept them?

Maybe study up on septic systems before making suggestions like this.

I don't have a bone to pick over there across the coynty, but I did grow up septic systems.

The fewer kids the better for a school like Gunston.

Don’t worry, there is an engineer coming out to check out the septic issue mentioned by Gunston parents.

Ok Lorton Station mom, or maybe you’re a Saratoga mom afraid your kids will get kicked out of an AAP center not even in the Lewis Pyramid. It’s pretty hilarious how you keep trying to disparage Gunston parents for wanting to keep their community intact, instead of finding ways to embrace and make the Hagel Circle families feel welcome within their community.

What do you mean keep the community intact, Hagel Circle was part of Gunston Elementary and never zoned for Lorton Station. We don’t even go to the same South County like you all. They are part of your community but y’all kept them out!

It’s about the same distance. Lorton station was overcrowded for many years. Check all the capacity limits from 2005-2020. Its boundaries never really changed yet at one point there were 6 trailers. Major issue because it serves two large apartment complexes.

It was made part of scenario 4 for a reason and Gunston Parents on Oct. 22nd threw a fit to keep Hagel Circle out. I WAS THERE!!!

Lorton Station is that way because of AAP!

There’s one crazy Lorton Station mom in this thread and she’s unhinged. She can’t accept several facts:

1.) Any “capacity issues” at Lorton Station are related to it being an AAP center. The AAP numbers are public and it’s not heavily used by Gunston, Newington Forest, Laurel Hill, Halley etc…it seems to mostly exist as another escape hatch for Lewis zoned Saratoga kids.

2.) Gunston is on a septic system and there are capacity limits and some issues with the system. This was confirmed by the Gunston Principal. Gunston is not a big school, it’s also 70 years old.

3.) Hagel Circle was neatly cut from the Lorton Station borders and sent to Halley 15-20 years ago. This gave Lorton Station excess capacity to set up the AAP center that exists today.

4.) Yes, Hagel Circle used to be zoned for Gunston. This was when Lorton Elementary closed in the 1980s and the only elementary schools in that area of Fairfax County were Silverbrook and Gunston. Look at aerial maps - there was a lot less development. As more development occurred, new schools opened. If Hagel Circle is going to be moved from Halley - send the kids to Lorton Station, make Gunston a full feeder to South County and send Hagel Circle to Hayfield with the rest of Lorton Station.

I’m sorry but you’re wrong on the points.

Hagel circle was sent to Halley because of capacity issues. Lorton station could not in 2005 handle Hagel Circle. It’s not part of Lorton station. It’s actually part of historic Gunston. Lorton station has two parts, north and south. North is close to Pohick rd and south near Gunston. Many Lorton station residents go to laurel hill elementary. We’ve been separated.

You are just mad that Hagle Circle will become part of Gunston elementary like it used to be. They were zoned to Gunston elementary so why are you guys so upset about it?

There is no direct path from Hagel Circle to Lorton Station elementary. Anybody that wants to walk will take about 25 to 35 minutes.

What do you mean by, “ it seems to mostly exist as another escape hatch for Lewis zoned Saratoga kids”? You’ll have to fill us in

Are you the same poster yelling at people for using the term BRAC?

There are hundreds, even thousands, of posts about the hundreds of kids transferring out of Lewis each year.

Just pick a number on the page list in this thread and you will likely find multiple posts about Lewis and transfers.

You’re not answering the question… imagine you in a court room…. lol

Hmmm.

To make things simpler for you, here we go:

https://www.dcurbanmom.com/jforum/posts/list/1192167.page

https://www.dcurbanmom.com/jforum/posts/list/1259759.page#29532494

https://www.dcurbanmom.com/jforum/posts/list/1232271.page


Enjoy catching up. It is a lot of reading. The threads get shut down and locked when they hit around 400 pages.

One of these threads has a really good summary in the first 10-20 pages.

Be sure to click on the links to watch all the daytime work sessions where the school board discusses revising policy 8130 to frame it around One Fairfax and equity.