Anonymous
04/24/2025 16:31
Subject: I had no idea it would be this bad
Anonymous wrote:Anonymous wrote:Anonymous wrote:Anonymous wrote:Anonymous wrote:
Democrats just aren't appealing to anyone.
That’s overstating things given Harris lost by 1.5% despite such a short and flawed campaign and almost definitely not being who Dems would’ve nominated if there had been a real primary. “There would be a Dem in the White House if Biden had bowed out before the primary” is a simpler explanation than “Dems don’t appeal to anyone despite nearly getting half the vote.”
Biden could not have bowed out earlier given the need to not be a lame duck on the Hill or before the world stage and there isn't anyone but Harris who could have picked up the mantel and made a serious run at the white House without totally fracturing the party with a lame "mini primary" in August before the election.
Sure he could’ve. There was no “need” not to be a lame duck president; many before have done so. It’s not like he didn’t campaign as a “transition president” in 2020! He lied. (And fwiw I voted for him and Harris.)
I’m sick of people holding Dems to a different standard. So he “lied” (or changed his mind; people do that). BFD. Politicians make empty promises and lie all the time (whether they should be able to is a flaw in our system). Why do people ALWAYS point it out for Dems and are so disappointed by it. Newsflash: Trump lied his way through his first term. He lied his way through his campaign. And he lies every day in office.
Are you just ranting? I never said Trump doesn’t lie. I didn’t vote for him. I voted for Harris, and Biden before. Trump didn’t win only because Biden lied, but if Biden hadn’t lied and actually stepped aside before it was too late, the Dems win. Any loss should be a time of reflection to understand what could’ve changed the outcome. You can bury your head in the sand, but as a party the Dems need to learn from their many mistakes and not rely on the other side behaving themselves. They have shown they will not.
Anonymous
04/24/2025 16:21
Subject: I had no idea it would be this bad
Anonymous wrote:It’s fine; doesn’t affect me.
Classic example of then they came for me, and there was nobody left to speak up for me
Atlantic had an article about a Jewish lawyer who fled Germany in 1938 (he did as much as he could to represent other Jews for as long as he could) and wrote a book about how dictatorships develop.
What happens is the development of a dual society. On one side, things work normally. People work, court systems handle the usual business disputes and other civil litigation, normal criminal courts work. Banks function. Stores are open.
Some excerpts from the article--
Rather than completely eliminating the normative state, the Nazi regime slowly created a parallel zone in which “unlimited arbitrariness and violence unchecked by any legal guarantees” reigned freely. In this domain, which Fraenkel called the “prerogative state,” ordinary law didn’t apply.
The key here is that this prerogative state does not immediately and completely overrun the normative state. Rather, Fraenkel argued, dictatorships create a lawless zone that runs alongside the normative state. The two states cohabit uneasily and unstably. On any given day, people or cases could be jerked out of the normative state and into the prerogative one. In July 1936, for example, Fraenkel won a case for employees of an association taken over by the Nazis. A few days later, he learned that the Gestapo had seized the money owed to his clients and deposited it in the government’s coffers.
Yet, Fraenkel insisted, it was a mistake to think that even the Nazis would entirely dispense with normal laws. After all, they had a complex, broadly capitalist economy to maintain. “A nation of 80 million people,” he noted, needs stable rules. The trick was to find a way to keep the law going for Christian Germans who supported or at least tolerated the Nazis, while ruthlessly executing the führer’s directives against the state’s enemies, real and perceived. Capitalism could jog nicely alongside the brutal suppression of democracy, and even genocide.
Anonymous
04/24/2025 16:16
Subject: I had no idea it would be this bad
Anonymous wrote:Anonymous wrote:Anonymous wrote:Anonymous wrote:
Democrats just aren't appealing to anyone.
That’s overstating things given Harris lost by 1.5% despite such a short and flawed campaign and almost definitely not being who Dems would’ve nominated if there had been a real primary. “There would be a Dem in the White House if Biden had bowed out before the primary” is a simpler explanation than “Dems don’t appeal to anyone despite nearly getting half the vote.”
Biden could not have bowed out earlier given the need to not be a lame duck on the Hill or before the world stage and there isn't anyone but Harris who could have picked up the mantel and made a serious run at the white House without totally fracturing the party with a lame "mini primary" in August before the election.
Sure he could’ve. There was no “need” not to be a lame duck president; many before have done so. It’s not like he didn’t campaign as a “transition president” in 2020! He lied. (And fwiw I voted for him and Harris.)
I’m sick of people holding Dems to a different standard. So he “lied” (or changed his mind; people do that). BFD. Politicians make empty promises and lie all the time (whether they should be able to is a flaw in our system). Why do people ALWAYS point it out for Dems and are so disappointed by it. Newsflash: Trump lied his way through his first term. He lied his way through his campaign. And he lies every day in office.
Anonymous
04/24/2025 16:14
Subject: I had no idea it would be this bad
Anonymous wrote:I didn't vote for Trump. I voted for Harris, I even took a few weekends to bike around exurban Pennsylvania to knock on doors for Harris. I had a brief surge of enthusiasm for Harris mainly because she wasn't Biden.
That said, this time around when Trump won, my reaction was... "meh, whatever, we'll get through it." Not the outrage like I had in 2016. A part of me felt like the Democrats kind of deserved to lose, the DNC has been so cringe and awful in recent years, and though I personally lean left, I felt like the Dems had overreached on a bunch of woke stuff that most Americans don't care about. That, and a bunch of people I know who are immigrants and people of color had soured on the Democrats and had become Trump-curious for a variety of reasons, and I didn't want to be one of those whiny white liberals who thought she knew better than anyone else. On top of it all, Trump 1 wasn't as horrific as I thought he would be, he was mostly embarrassing and clownish, but the economy hummed along. His foreign policy was dumb but didn't cause outright disasters just yet. All in all, 2017-2019 weren't terrible years for the average American. So I didn't join any marches or protests or sew any pink hats or rant on social media. I figured, well, he's pushing 80, he's kind of nuts and also just lazy, maybe he'll spend his whole term just golfing and tweeting and nothing will happen.
I had no idea how wrong I would be. How horrible things would get and so quickly. It's so much worse than anyone ever expected. I am truly afraid. Everyone is worried for their lives and livelihoods. Everything is bad, everything is a mess, it's so obviously an authoritarian oligarchy and it is no longer crying wolf. It's absolutely unbelievable. I thought American democratic institutions were strong enough to withstand a madman and his cult, but apparently not.
I appreciate your change of heart. But your recitation of his first term is over-simplified and wrong. And he campaigned-openly so- about his second term being “that bad.”
Anonymous
04/24/2025 16:11
Subject: I had no idea it would be this bad
Anonymous wrote:Anonymous wrote:Anonymous wrote:Anonymous wrote:
Democrats just aren't appealing to anyone.
That’s overstating things given Harris lost by 1.5% despite such a short and flawed campaign and almost definitely not being who Dems would’ve nominated if there had been a real primary. “There would be a Dem in the White House if Biden had bowed out before the primary” is a simpler explanation than “Dems don’t appeal to anyone despite nearly getting half the vote.”
Biden could not have bowed out earlier given the need to not be a lame duck on the Hill or before the world stage and there isn't anyone but Harris who could have picked up the mantel and made a serious run at the white House without totally fracturing the party with a lame "mini primary" in August before the election.
Sure he could’ve. There was no “need” not to be a lame duck president; many before have done so. It’s not like he didn’t campaign as a “transition president” in 2020! He lied. (And fwiw I voted for him and Harris.)
He literally never said he was going to be a one term president. He did say he would be a transitional president, and had Harris won, it would have been a true statement. Like me, he didn't think Americans were THAT stupid.
Anonymous
04/24/2025 15:52
Subject: I had no idea it would be this bad
Anonymous wrote:Things may be starting to cool down soon.
Please do tell
Anonymous
04/24/2025 15:52
Subject: I had no idea it would be this bad
Anonymous wrote:Anonymous wrote:Anonymous wrote:
Democrats just aren't appealing to anyone.
That’s overstating things given Harris lost by 1.5% despite such a short and flawed campaign and almost definitely not being who Dems would’ve nominated if there had been a real primary. “There would be a Dem in the White House if Biden had bowed out before the primary” is a simpler explanation than “Dems don’t appeal to anyone despite nearly getting half the vote.”
Biden could not have bowed out earlier given the need to not be a lame duck on the Hill or before the world stage and there isn't anyone but Harris who could have picked up the mantel and made a serious run at the white House without totally fracturing the party with a lame "mini primary" in August before the election.
Sure he could’ve. There was no “need” not to be a lame duck president; many before have done so. It’s not like he didn’t campaign as a “transition president” in 2020! He lied. (And fwiw I voted for him and Harris.)
Anonymous
04/24/2025 15:46
Subject: I had no idea it would be this bad
Anonymous wrote:It’s fine; doesn’t affect me.
That’s absolutely impossible! You know it, too.
Anonymous
04/24/2025 15:43
Subject: I had no idea it would be this bad
Things may be starting to cool down soon.
Anonymous
04/24/2025 15:42
Subject: I had no idea it would be this bad
Anonymous wrote:Anonymous wrote:When did people stop reading The Diary of Anne Frank, 1984, Fahrenheit 451, and Animal Farm in middle school? Because everyone who read those saw this coming.
Lately I’ve been reading books about figures in WWII-era Europe and every few pages they describe a situation that’s exactly like something happening here right now. No wonder they are trying to dumb down the country and ban these types of books.
GOP strategy....keep them stupid. Anyone who took government, political science, or high school history should be hearing loud warning bells. We are here....this is NOT a drill.
Anonymous
04/24/2025 15:31
Subject: I had no idea it would be this bad
Anonymous wrote:When did people stop reading The Diary of Anne Frank, 1984, Fahrenheit 451, and Animal Farm in middle school? Because everyone who read those saw this coming.
Lately I’ve been reading books about figures in WWII-era Europe and every few pages they describe a situation that’s exactly like something happening here right now. No wonder they are trying to dumb down the country and ban these types of books.
Anonymous
04/24/2025 15:29
Subject: I had no idea it would be this bad
Anonymous wrote:Anonymous wrote:we needed another one of these threads, well done!
They are so annoying. There’s nothing we can do about this, so why keep hand wringing.
May I redirect you to https://www.dcurbanmom.com/jforum/posts/list/2805/751002.page
Start at the end and work your way backwards. Be sure to tally the number of GOP perverts and worse when you reach midway. Thousands.
Anonymous
04/24/2025 15:26
Subject: I had no idea it would be this bad
Anonymous wrote:When did people stop reading The Diary of Anne Frank, 1984, Fahrenheit 451, and Animal Farm in middle school? Because everyone who read those saw this coming.
+1
Anonymous
04/24/2025 15:25
Subject: I had no idea it would be this bad
Anonymous wrote:Anonymous wrote:Anonymous wrote:This is everything I expected in 2016. I take no satisfaction in proving the people who called me hysterical and a conspiracy theorist wrong. Just another of a million examples of how women are ignored.
Just stop. They don’t listen to men who disagree with them either. What a stupid and counterproductive comment.
You stop. You’re so obnoxious and identifiable. We had two great candidates against him who were women and who spoke up about exactly all of this. But one was “too serious” and the other was “not serious enough”. You stop
ignoring how women are treated differently and are held to an impossible standard while men with oatmeal in their brains who speak at a 4th grade level get elected to the most important job in the world.
yup! well said
Anonymous
04/24/2025 15:22
Subject: I had no idea it would be this bad
Anonymous wrote:Anonymous wrote:we needed another one of these threads, well done!
They are so annoying. There’s nothing we can do about this, so why keep hand wringing.
That the Nazi spirit...."nothing we can do" christ we are in trouble