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Anonymous wrote:In order for a European model to work here, we would need federal not local control of schools and their standards, beginning at kindergarten. That will not happen in the US - our model is too States-centric for that. In Europe, national not local standards prevail. It’s akin to the social compact in many European countries regarding pensions and health care - they “work” (although Americans who are used to private health insurance would possibly not like the standards of care) because certain truisms are at play: everyone is employed, and works until age 65. You have to start at the ground up, not layer on top.

You cannot just lump all of Europe together. Each has its own different way of doing things. Yes in education just like in health insurance. It just leads to statements that are wrong and misleading.

But still the European model spits out kids into trade schools at elementary school,, middle school, and high school. They go into viable trades and learn lucrative livings. Only the elite are left for Oxbirdge, U of Dublin, etc. I don't think our system of pushing ill-prepared, depressed and unhappy kids into expensive SLACs is in any ways superior.

Poor, unprepared students are not attending LACs or SLACs.

OMG do you not read the college forums? Failure to thrive? Kids not leaving their dorm at college? Poor grades? Drugs, sex, and other issues? The stuff of entitlement that libs want to claim? We've created an entire class of BA grads who do not know what to do with themselves after they graduate because they should have never been in college in the first place. My DS and DD know at least seven of them from college! pick up a copy of college confidential and read! our nation wasn't sending 90% of its graduates to college 40 years ao. What happened?

Sorry your kids have such a poor social circle and gossip about their friends with you. I hope you have better critical faculties than to assume posts on anonymous forums represent any proportion of reality. The vast majority of kids at LACs graduate on time and get jobs.

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Anonymous wrote:In order for a European model to work here, we would need federal not local control of schools and their standards, beginning at kindergarten. That will not happen in the US - our model is too States-centric for that. In Europe, national not local standards prevail. It’s akin to the social compact in many European countries regarding pensions and health care - they “work” (although Americans who are used to private health insurance would possibly not like the standards of care) because certain truisms are at play: everyone is employed, and works until age 65. You have to start at the ground up, not layer on top.

You cannot just lump all of Europe together. Each has its own different way of doing things. Yes in education just like in health insurance. It just leads to statements that are wrong and misleading.

But still the European model spits out kids into trade schools at elementary school,, middle school, and high school. They go into viable trades and learn lucrative livings. Only the elite are left for Oxbirdge, U of Dublin, etc. I don't think our system of pushing ill-prepared, depressed and unhappy kids into expensive SLACs is in any ways superior.

Poor, unprepared students are not attending LACs or SLACs.

OMG do you not read the college forums? Failure to thrive? Kids not leaving their dorm at college? Poor grades? Drugs, sex, and other issues? The stuff of entitlement that libs want to claim? We've created an entire class of BA grads who do not know what to do with themselves after they graduate because they should have never been in college in the first place. My DS and DD know at least seven of them from college! pick up a copy of college confidential and read! our nation wasn't sending 90% of its graduates to college 40 years ao. What happened?

Where do I begin. First of all, 50+ years ago, only white Christian men from well-to-do families were allowed to go to college. Second, we offshored all the good-paying jobs that a non-college educated person could do 50 years ago. And third, our information/service economy requires complex thinking & educated individuals more than ever before.

Doing so would forever change these schools and undermine their reputations.

This OP has posted numerous threads to discount UVA and W&M public and their admissions policies. I mention only one below. If I need to I will ask Jeff to intervene. I'm sorry OP's kid didn't get into W&M and UVA but the fact remains that these are SMALL AO PUBLIC OFFICES and cannot respond as well-funded private AO offices might. W&M has decided that EDI and EDII and RD suits what it was trying to accomplish. UVA had decided ED EA and RD works for it. If that doesn't work for OP their kid )whom presumably did't get i ) can apply UVA EA and transfer to W&M . Or they can do the financially strong thing and have their kid go to community college and transfer to W&M. But stop the bashing on publish schools. We have 33 options in Virginia. Pick one that suits your kid and shut up.
https://www.dcurbanmom.com/jforum/posts/list/45/1126910.page#24812668

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Anonymous wrote:In order for a European model to work here, we would need federal not local control of schools and their standards, beginning at kindergarten. That will not happen in the US - our model is too States-centric for that. In Europe, national not local standards prevail. It’s akin to the social compact in many European countries regarding pensions and health care - they “work” (although Americans who are used to private health insurance would possibly not like the standards of care) because certain truisms are at play: everyone is employed, and works until age 65. You have to start at the ground up, not layer on top.

You cannot just lump all of Europe together. Each has its own different way of doing things. Yes in education just like in health insurance. It just leads to statements that are wrong and misleading.

But still the European model spits out kids into trade schools at elementary school,, middle school, and high school. They go into viable trades and learn lucrative livings. Only the elite are left for Oxbirdge, U of Dublin, etc. I don't think our system of pushing ill-prepared, depressed and unhappy kids into expensive SLACs is in any ways superior.

Poor, unprepared students are not attending LACs or SLACs.

OMG do you not read the college forums? Failure to thrive? Kids not leaving their dorm at college? Poor grades? Drugs, sex, and other issues? The stuff of entitlement that libs want to claim? We've created an entire class of BA grads who do not know what to do with themselves after they graduate because they should have never been in college in the first place. My DS and DD know at least seven of them from college! pick up a copy of college confidential and read! our nation wasn't sending 90% of its graduates to college 40 years ao. What happened?

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Anonymous wrote:In order for a European model to work here, we would need federal not local control of schools and their standards, beginning at kindergarten. That will not happen in the US - our model is too States-centric for that. In Europe, national not local standards prevail. It’s akin to the social compact in many European countries regarding pensions and health care - they “work” (although Americans who are used to private health insurance would possibly not like the standards of care) because certain truisms are at play: everyone is employed, and works until age 65. You have to start at the ground up, not layer on top.

You cannot just lump all of Europe together. Each has its own different way of doing things. Yes in education just like in health insurance. It just leads to statements that are wrong and misleading.

But still the European model spits out kids into trade schools at elementary school,, middle school, and high school. They go into viable trades and learn lucrative livings. Only the elite are left for Oxbirdge, U of Dublin, etc. I don't think our system of pushing ill-prepared, depressed and unhappy kids into expensive SLACs is in any ways superior.

Those countries have standardized education at the national level. Nobody is learning how to count with their fingers in 9th grade because they live on the wrong side of the tracks there.

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Anonymous wrote:In order for a European model to work here, we would need federal not local control of schools and their standards, beginning at kindergarten. That will not happen in the US - our model is too States-centric for that. In Europe, national not local standards prevail. It’s akin to the social compact in many European countries regarding pensions and health care - they “work” (although Americans who are used to private health insurance would possibly not like the standards of care) because certain truisms are at play: everyone is employed, and works until age 65. You have to start at the ground up, not layer on top.

You cannot just lump all of Europe together. Each has its own different way of doing things. Yes in education just like in health insurance. It just leads to statements that are wrong and misleading.

But still the European model spits out kids into trade schools at elementary school,, middle school, and high school. They go into viable trades and learn lucrative livings. Only the elite are left for Oxbirdge, U of Dublin, etc. I don't think our system of pushing ill-prepared, depressed and unhappy kids into expensive SLACs is in any ways superior.

Poor, unprepared students are not attending LACs or SLACs.

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Anonymous wrote:In order for a European model to work here, we would need federal not local control of schools and their standards, beginning at kindergarten. That will not happen in the US - our model is too States-centric for that. In Europe, national not local standards prevail. It’s akin to the social compact in many European countries regarding pensions and health care - they “work” (although Americans who are used to private health insurance would possibly not like the standards of care) because certain truisms are at play: everyone is employed, and works until age 65. You have to start at the ground up, not layer on top.

You cannot just lump all of Europe together. Each has its own different way of doing things. Yes in education just like in health insurance. It just leads to statements that are wrong and misleading.

But still the European model spits out kids into trade schools at elementary school,, middle school, and high school. They go into viable trades and learn lucrative livings. Only the elite are left for Oxbirdge, U of Dublin, etc. I don't think our system of pushing ill-prepared, depressed and unhappy kids into expensive SLACs is in any ways superior.

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Anonymous wrote:Allow anyone with minimum requirements to be admitted. Then make the coursework rigorous enough where it’s meaningful and you have to work hard to pass. Otherwise you get kicked out.

This is the French/German/Dutch way, and it’s the most fair way to avoid the advantaged/disadvantaged divide and gaming of the admissions system.

OP, do your research... they already do this. VCCS grads who meet certain requirements are guaranteed admission to UVa. It’s just that 99.99% of DCUMs couldn’t bear to think of their kids doing community college.

https://admission.virginia.edu/sites/admission/files/2020-09/VCCS%20UVA%20Transfer%20Agreement%20Arts%20and%20Sciences.pdf

Yeah this

You are all missing the point tgat most European s hooks funnel their elementary, middle school and high schoolers off into the trade schools so that few are left to apply for the rigor of intellectual study at a top school. It’s entirely different from the US

Anonymous wrote:Allow anyone with minimum requirements to be admitted. Then make the coursework rigorous enough where it’s meaningful and you have to work hard to pass. Otherwise you get kicked out.

This is the French/German/Dutch way, and it’s the most fair way to avoid the advantaged/disadvantaged divide and gaming of the admissions system.

OP, do your research... they already do this. VCCS grads who meet certain requirements are guaranteed admission to UVa. It’s just that 99.99% of DCUMs couldn’t bear to think of their kids doing community college.

https://admission.virginia.edu/sites/admission/files/2020-09/VCCS%20UVA%20Transfer%20Agreement%20Arts%20and%20Sciences.pdf

Anonymous wrote:In order for a European model to work here, we would need federal not local control of schools and their standards, beginning at kindergarten. That will not happen in the US - our model is too States-centric for that. In Europe, national not local standards prevail. It’s akin to the social compact in many European countries regarding pensions and health care - they “work” (although Americans who are used to private health insurance would possibly not like the standards of care) because certain truisms are at play: everyone is employed, and works until age 65. You have to start at the ground up, not layer on top.

You cannot just lump all of Europe together. Each has its own different way of doing things. Yes in education just like in health insurance. It just leads to statements that are wrong and misleading.

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Anonymous wrote:Radford has a 90% acceptance rate & $10k/year tuition, go there

And it has a 60% graduation rate! Voila! Your perfect European style university.

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Anonymous wrote:Radford has a 90% acceptance rate & $10k/year tuition, go there

And it has a 60% graduation rate! Voila! Your perfect European style university.

The difference is ETH Zurich is much better than Redford and also better than UVA.

https://www.reddit.com/r/ethz/comments/765vyn/graduation_rates_statistics/

Similar graduation rates to Radford.

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Anonymous wrote:Radford has a 90% acceptance rate & $10k/year tuition, go there

And it has a 60% graduation rate! Voila! Your perfect European style university.

The difference is ETH Zurich is much better than Redford and also better than UVA.

You can't cherrypick ETH Zurich without acknowledging all the crappy European schools. Also, the Swiss are pissed because the international competition is making the nationals fail at a higher rate and so there's some backlash.