Anonymous wrote:http://www.dcurbanmom.com/jforum/posts/list/315/221619.page#5972250, post at 18.47. The style is unmistakably yours.

"If the program is going to show Muslims, it's a bit strange to practice people who may not even practice Islam."

So, still want to say you didn't see it?

To SHOW people who may not even practice Islam.

http://www.dcurbanmom.com/jforum/posts/list/315/221619.page#5972250, post at 18.47. The style is unmistakably yours.

"If the program is going to show Muslims, it's a bit strange to practice people who may not even practice Islam."

So, still want to say you didn't see it?

Anonymous wrote:

It is absolutely, positively wrong for any Muslim to say who is a true Muslim or who isn't. That judgment and determination is with God/Allah alone. I have not seen the immigrant poster's statement to this effect but I trust you if you say he made such a statement. If he did, it was absolutely wrong.

You are lying. You responded to the post calling Shias non-Muslim with a mild approval. How can you possibly say you haven't see it?

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Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:Y'all keep talking about "subtle micro-agressions." In the meantime, your fellow Muslims cut the head off another aid worker and released a video this morning.

When Muslims stop blatant aggression and violence against non-Muslims, maybe we can talk about "subtle micro-aggressions."

Yes, I suppose Muslima and I did that early this morning, just before we fed our children breakfast and sent them off to school. You would not want people to blame you for the actions of others, so don't blame all Muslims for the actions of extremists.

If you stand by and say nothing while your fellow religionists murder aid workers, then you are part of the problem. You endorse their actions with your silence. You endorse their actions with your posturing as a highly persecuted minority that needs to "fight back."

I don't blame her for ISIS, and she has condemned them. Closer to home, I do think she has a moral obligation to condem the poster who said, a few days ago, that Shi'ites aren't Muslims and we shouldn't trust Sunnis. Waiting....

It is absolutely, positively wrong for any Muslim to say who is a true Muslim or who isn't. That judgment and determination is with God/Allah alone. I have not seen the immigrant poster's statement to this effect but I trust you if you say he made such a statement. If he did, it was absolutely wrong.

That said, there are certain criteria for being a Muslim. One needs only to believe 1) There is one God only 2) Prophet Muhammad is the last messenger. Implied in the second part of this oath is that one acknowledges there is a long line of messengers and prophets from God such as Adam, Jonah, Joseph, Moses, Jesus, Lot, etc…and Muhammad is the last one. That is it. There are many different ways of interpreting Islam, for sure, and Muslims are permitted to criticize and debate which way is correct. However, it is absolutely wrong to make a judgment as to who is a Muslim.

It isn't uncommon for Muslims to judge one another, much the same way Christians or Jews may judge one another. I'm not sure where you got the idea I would defend any Muslim engaged in wrongdoing.

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Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

It sounds like OP is recruiting suckers for the war in Syria.

Like this guy:
http://www.myfoxtwincities.com/story/26375925/report-robbinsdale-copper-grad-killed-fighting-for-isis-in-syria

or these girls:
http://www.theguardian.com/world/2014/sep/29/schoolgirl-jihadis-female-islamists-leaving-home-join-isis-iraq-syria

or the French guy who cut off the US aid-worker's head:
http://www.theguardian.com/world/2014/sep/29/schoolgirl-jihadis-female-islamists-leaving-home-join-isis-iraq-syria

That's completely uncalled for. You crossed the line here.

+1. Signed, a Christian. I'm no fan of OP's rhetorical style, but she's no jihadi.

+1 OP is not a jihadi. She does seem to want to appeal to Western sensibilities. The ISIS recruiters are trying to attract young Anericans and Europeans with a romanticized vision of rebelliousness that is distinctly anti-Western.

Anonymous wrote:Because Islam does not work that way. You either accept Islam or you reject it. There is no half way. You either embrace the barbarism, or you are not a Muslim.


I don't know who wrote this, but it certainly doesn't seem to be written in the style of the PP who has been most dogged in calling you out on statements you've made about women's equality, the loyalty oath or concubines. That PP does not make sweeping statements like that, but rather deals in a detailed way with specifics you have raised.

+1. I'm also not the dogged PP. I've even noticed how careful she is with language and I'm guessing that with all the raw material for substantive criticism that OP gives her, she doesn't need insults.

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

It sounds like OP is recruiting suckers for the war in Syria.

Like this guy:
http://www.myfoxtwincities.com/story/26375925/report-robbinsdale-copper-grad-killed-fighting-for-isis-in-syria

or these girls:
http://www.theguardian.com/world/2014/sep/29/schoolgirl-jihadis-female-islamists-leaving-home-join-isis-iraq-syria

or the French guy who cut off the US aid-worker's head:
http://www.theguardian.com/world/2014/sep/29/schoolgirl-jihadis-female-islamists-leaving-home-join-isis-iraq-syria

That's completely uncalled for. You crossed the line here.

+1. Signed, a Christian. I'm no fan of OP's rhetorical style, but she's no jihadi.

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

It sounds like OP is recruiting suckers for the war in Syria.

Like this guy:
http://www.myfoxtwincities.com/story/26375925/report-robbinsdale-copper-grad-killed-fighting-for-isis-in-syria

or these girls:
http://www.theguardian.com/world/2014/sep/29/schoolgirl-jihadis-female-islamists-leaving-home-join-isis-iraq-syria

or the French guy who cut off the US aid-worker's head:
http://www.theguardian.com/world/2014/sep/29/schoolgirl-jihadis-female-islamists-leaving-home-join-isis-iraq-syria

That's completely uncalled for. You crossed the line here.

I don't think I did. OP is misrepresenting her religion in a myriad of ways, most of them designed to make it more palatable to Westerners. It's a classic recruiting tactic used by other types of cults. And many Muslim operatives are recruiting Westerners in a variety of forums at the moment.

hard to believe it would work, though

Anonymous wrote:so two months ago on a different thread?

+1. This post calling Islam barbaric dates from 9/6. Reminds me of her obsession with the one poster who called Mohammed a pedophile, way back in August.

Meanwhile, OP
- called Mary a "rock star slut" for conceiving a son out of wedlock
- said that Christians aren't monotheists
- has no apparent objection to the Muslim poster who says Shi'ites aren't Muslims and we shouldn't trust Sufis
- has called individual posters bad cooks, retarded (her word, not mine), Pakistanis, unemployed, and more that I'm probably forgetting
- has called all of us Christian-evangelical-crusading gap-toothed STD-ridden grannies in mini-skirts with drug-addicted kids.

You can all do the math....

Meanwhile, many threads with disagreements over the meaning of "equality" and whether you have to have equal divorce/inheritance laws for there to be equaliry. That's right, the vast majority of posts have been disagreements on substantive issues.

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

It sounds like OP is recruiting suckers for the war in Syria.

Like this guy:
http://www.myfoxtwincities.com/story/26375925/report-robbinsdale-copper-grad-killed-fighting-for-isis-in-syria

or these girls:
http://www.theguardian.com/world/2014/sep/29/schoolgirl-jihadis-female-islamists-leaving-home-join-isis-iraq-syria

or the French guy who cut off the US aid-worker's head:
http://www.theguardian.com/world/2014/sep/29/schoolgirl-jihadis-female-islamists-leaving-home-join-isis-iraq-syria

That's completely uncalled for. You crossed the line here.

I don't think I did. OP is misrepresenting her religion in a myriad of ways, most of them designed to make it more palatable to Westerners. It's a classic recruiting tactic used by other types of cults. And many Muslim operatives are recruiting Westerners in a variety of forums at the moment.

Anonymous wrote:

It sounds like OP is recruiting suckers for the war in Syria.

Like this guy:
http://www.myfoxtwincities.com/story/26375925/report-robbinsdale-copper-grad-killed-fighting-for-isis-in-syria

or these girls:
http://www.theguardian.com/world/2014/sep/29/schoolgirl-jihadis-female-islamists-leaving-home-join-isis-iraq-syria

or the French guy who cut off the US aid-worker's head:
http://www.theguardian.com/world/2014/sep/29/schoolgirl-jihadis-female-islamists-leaving-home-join-isis-iraq-syria

That's completely uncalled for. You crossed the line here.

Anonymous wrote:I don't blame OP for extremist factions of Islam like ISIS either. It would be nice, however, if she acknowledged in a positive way the diversity of non-extremist Islam, which includes Shi'ites and Sufis.

She seems very stuck on holding up her own version of Islam, which sometimes seem designed specifically to be attractive to untrained non-Muslim ears. Thus, we get Muhammed as the world's first feminist. Hadith, many of which are really out there, are rejected, as is Sharia, and only the Quran may be used to understand Islam.

But because much in the Quran is not very clear, or is clear but not in sync with values she says Islam had, she then insists: 1) the Quran must be read in Arabic to understand it and 2) the Quran must be read in historical context.

As for 1) many of her statements or inability to argue against PPs' points seem to indicate that OP's grasp of Quranic Arabic is not very strong, hence her insistence that everyone needs a scholar to guide them in understanding.

As for 2), I don't disagree, but the historical sources here are distinctly non-Quranic. Pre-Islamic poetry is one source of historical context and the other major source comes from mining hadith, which she rejects. So where does the historical context come from? OP seems to rely on sweeping statements by various authors (and I agree there is a morbid fascination with those she thinks have a great academic pedigree--instructed at Harvard and the like) for historical context rather than primary source material or studies on tribal customs, which can shed partciular insight into Arabia of the seventh century.

She does seem to get very frustrated that the more trained non-Muslim ears here on DCUM are just not buying her story.

It sounds like OP is recruiting suckers for the war in Syria.

Like this guy:
http://www.myfoxtwincities.com/story/26375925/report-robbinsdale-copper-grad-killed-fighting-for-isis-in-syria

or these girls:
http://www.theguardian.com/world/2014/sep/29/schoolgirl-jihadis-female-islamists-leaving-home-join-isis-iraq-syria

or the French guy who cut off the US aid-worker's head:
http://www.theguardian.com/world/2014/sep/29/schoolgirl-jihadis-female-islamists-leaving-home-join-isis-iraq-syria

so two months ago on a different thread?

Because Islam does not work that way. You either accept Islam or you reject it. There is no half way. You either embrace the barbarism, or you are not a Muslim.


I don't know who wrote this, but it certainly doesn't seem to be written in the style of the PP who has been most dogged in calling you out on statements you've made about women's equality, the loyalty oath or concubines. That PP does not make sweeping statements like that, but rather deals in a detailed way with specifics you have raised.

I don't blame OP for extremist factions of Islam like ISIS either. It would be nice, however, if she acknowledged in a positive way the diversity of non-extremist Islam, which includes Shi'ites and Sufis.

She seems very stuck on holding up her own version of Islam, which sometimes seem designed specifically to be attractive to untrained non-Muslim ears. Thus, we get Muhammed as the world's first feminist. Hadith, many of which are really out there, are rejected, as is Sharia, and only the Quran may be used to understand Islam.

But because much in the Quran is not very clear, or is clear but not in sync with values she says Islam had, she then insists: 1) the Quran must be read in Arabic to understand it and 2) the Quran must be read in historical context.

As for 1) many of her statements or inability to argue against PPs' points seem to indicate that OP's grasp of Quranic Arabic is not very strong, hence her insistence that everyone needs a scholar to guide them in understanding.

As for 2), I don't disagree, but the historical sources here are distinctly non-Quranic. Pre-Islamic poetry is one source of historical context and the other major source comes from mining hadith, which she rejects. So where does the historical context come from? OP seems to rely on sweeping statements by various authors (and I agree there is a morbid fascination with those she thinks have a great academic pedigree--instructed at Harvard and the like) for historical context rather than primary source material or studies on tribal customs, which can shed partciular insight into Arabia of the seventh century.

She does seem to get very frustrated that the more trained non-Muslim ears here on DCUM are just not buying her story.