A much better indicator on the USN&WR charts than this category which lumps together private and public universities, LACs and SLACs (apples and oranges) is USN&WR's lists of top public universities. There UVA has placed 1, 2 or 3 for 27 years, always ahead of Michigan. This year it is 3 behind Berkeley and UCLA. You simply cannot compare a huge public university like UCLA to a small SLAC like Williams.

Anonymous wrote:Meh. I respect the criteria used for the WSJ rankings.

Don't. This is WSJ's third year only. No one in higher education recognizes it yet. USN&WR has been around since 1983 and it remains the gold standard. Inbetween USN&WR there are Princeton Review, Kiplinger's, Business Insider, and many others. WSJ is just trying to break into the field to make a buck.

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Anonymous wrote:It is a flawed list, as evidenced by inclusion of Emory and Vanderbilt.

Emory, yes.

What exactly is vandy’s Value prop?

SEC

Vandy is in what is now a trendy city and has used merit aid and a focus on standardized tests to greatly increase perceived selectivity. If you look at standardized tests, they are well above UVA and W&M and they used to be below. They essentially have done what Duke did years ago and Chicago did more recently.

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Anonymous wrote:It is a flawed list, as evidenced by inclusion of Emory and Vanderbilt.

Emory, yes.

What exactly is vandy’s Value prop? Their stem programs? Business programs? Their liberals arts?

I find the Emory grads I run into in dc to be a lot more intellectually curious than vandy grads.

What is the sample size that you base your conclusion on?

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Anonymous wrote:UVA is once again in quite elite company. Obviously a very prestigious school:

https://www.usnews.com/education/best-colleges/articles/2018-09-07/2019-best-colleges-preview-top-25-national-universities

Too obvious to be a troll. To stupid to be real. I’m stumped.

It's a prep thread for the great reveal of exact rankings tomorrow, where the real gloating and bashing can begin.

And here's the next thread ...
http://www.dcurbanmom.com/jforum/posts/list/751226.page

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Anonymous wrote:It is a flawed list, as evidenced by inclusion of Emory and Vanderbilt.

Emory, yes.

What exactly is vandy’s Value prop?

SEC

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Anonymous wrote:It is a flawed list, as evidenced by inclusion of Emory and Vanderbilt.

Emory, yes.

What exactly is vandy’s Value prop? Their stem programs? Business programs? Their liberals arts?

I find the Emory grads I run into in dc to be a lot more intellectually curious than vandy grads.

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Anonymous wrote:I have never actually met anyone who attended Wash U St Louis.

Lots of PhDs / MDs. If you're not in academia or medicine, you're unlikely to.

Good point

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Anonymous wrote:UVA is once again in quite elite company. Obviously a very prestigious school:

https://www.usnews.com/education/best-colleges/articles/2018-09-07/2019-best-colleges-preview-top-25-national-universities

Too obvious to be a troll. To stupid to be real. I’m stumped.

It's a prep thread for the great reveal of exact rankings tomorrow, where the real gloating and bashing can begin.

. Oh no! You mean there’ll be more of this tomorrow?! Can we please, please have a dedicated forum for UVA?

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Anonymous wrote:The USNWS top 25 has been very consistent in recent years. UVA and Wake Forrest have been in and out at the edges with Michigan and UNC just outside.

Hard to believe UVA couldn’t crack the Top 50 in the WSJ/THE rankings.

The WSJ/THE rankings combine what USNews calls National Universities and Liberal Arts Colleges. USNews ranks those separately, so the evaluation set is expanded in WSJ and includes very good LACs like Williams College.

It is still barely in the top 40 even when you remove the LAC's

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Anonymous wrote:UVA is once again in quite elite company. Obviously a very prestigious school:

https://www.usnews.com/education/best-colleges/articles/2018-09-07/2019-best-colleges-preview-top-25-national-universities

Too obvious to be a troll. To stupid to be real. I’m stumped.

It's a prep thread for the great reveal of exact rankings tomorrow, where the real gloating and bashing can begin.

Anonymous wrote:The USNWS top 25 has been very consistent in recent years. UVA and Wake Forrest have been in and out at the edges with Michigan and UNC just outside.

Hard to believe UVA couldn’t crack the Top 50 in the WSJ/THE rankings.

The WSJ/THE rankings combine what USNews calls National Universities and Liberal Arts Colleges. USNews ranks those separately, so the evaluation set is expanded in WSJ and includes very good LACs like Williams College.

The bulk of Michigan undergrads are in their HUGE liberal arts college, known as Languages Sciences and the Arts, or L.S.A.

...but on campus they coin it L, S and Play because it's full of idiots.

Only Michigan's undergrad engineering and business colleges are worthy of accolades.

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Anonymous wrote:UVA is once again in quite elite company. Obviously a very prestigious school:

https://www.usnews.com/education/best-colleges/articles/2018-09-07/2019-best-colleges-preview-top-25-national-universities

I'm sorry, but any list that does not have Michigan as a top 25 university is flawed, whether you like the school or not.

We're talking about UNDERGRADUATES.

Anonymous wrote:UVA is once again in quite elite company. Obviously a very prestigious school:

https://www.usnews.com/education/best-colleges/articles/2018-09-07/2019-best-colleges-preview-top-25-national-universities

I'm sorry, but any list that does not have Michigan as a top 25 university is flawed, whether you like the school or not.