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Anonymous wrote:To answer the "nightmare or pleasant surprise" question, from what I know the EA/ED results at our senior's school have been disappointing generally. They definitely vary from the relatively consistent pattern of the past several years. Not sure if application numbers are up across the board, particularly at top 40 ranked colleges, or if a number of admission offices are changing their targets.

Same, at least so far, and at this point I'm talking mainly about Early Decision.

Seems like too many kids had unrealistic stretch schools. Not sure if it was parents pushing certain schools or the college counselors were just off, or whether the landscape is becoming even more brutal.

I think it's becoming more brutal. It's not unrealistic stretch schools, because better college counsellors will try to talk seniors out of unrealistic applications. Rather, students are being deferred or denied from target or reach ED schools. There may be a seismic shift going on this year.

Could it be the Anti-Trump backlash?

Could be. I think that certain colleges really have upped their URM goals this year, and some are actively recruiting "Dreamers" to make a statement. This means that you can throw the Naviance data out the window for now because colleges are shifting their desired class profiles significantly.

Reluctantly have to agree. I'm seeing it every day, kids who would gave gotten even 2-3 years ago being deferred.

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Anonymous wrote:To answer the "nightmare or pleasant surprise" question, from what I know the EA/ED results at our senior's school have been disappointing generally. They definitely vary from the relatively consistent pattern of the past several years. Not sure if application numbers are up across the board, particularly at top 40 ranked colleges, or if a number of admission offices are changing their targets.

Same, at least so far, and at this point I'm talking mainly about Early Decision.

Seems like too many kids had unrealistic stretch schools. Not sure if it was parents pushing certain schools or the college counselors were just off, or whether the landscape is becoming even more brutal.

I think it's becoming more brutal. It's not unrealistic stretch schools, because better college counsellors will try to talk seniors out of unrealistic applications. Rather, students are being deferred or denied from target or reach ED schools. There may be a seismic shift going on this year.

Could it be the Anti-Trump backlash?

Could be. I think that certain colleges really have upped their URM goals this year, and some are actively recruiting "Dreamers" to make a statement. This means that you can throw the Naviance data out the window for now because colleges are shifting their desired class profiles significantly.

Not at our private - white connected and $$$ kids getting in

Do you know how much a parent has to contribute to secure a spot at Harvard or Stanford admissions? Believe me, it's not three dollar places -- or even seven places.

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Anonymous wrote:To answer the "nightmare or pleasant surprise" question, from what I know the EA/ED results at our senior's school have been disappointing generally. They definitely vary from the relatively consistent pattern of the past several years. Not sure if application numbers are up across the board, particularly at top 40 ranked colleges, or if a number of admission offices are changing their targets.

Same, at least so far, and at this point I'm talking mainly about Early Decision.

Seems like too many kids had unrealistic stretch schools. Not sure if it was parents pushing certain schools or the college counselors were just off, or whether the landscape is becoming even more brutal.

I think it's becoming more brutal. It's not unrealistic stretch schools, because better college counsellors will try to talk seniors out of unrealistic applications. Rather, students are being deferred or denied from target or reach ED schools. There may be a seismic shift going on this year.

Could it be the Anti-Trump backlash?

Could be. I think that certain colleges really have upped their URM goals this year, and some are actively recruiting "Dreamers" to make a statement. This means that you can throw the Naviance data out the window for now because colleges are shifting their desired class profiles significantly.

Not at our private - white connected and $$$ kids getting in

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Anonymous wrote:To answer the "nightmare or pleasant surprise" question, from what I know the EA/ED results at our senior's school have been disappointing generally. They definitely vary from the relatively consistent pattern of the past several years. Not sure if application numbers are up across the board, particularly at top 40 ranked colleges, or if a number of admission offices are changing their targets.

Same, at least so far, and at this point I'm talking mainly about Early Decision.

Seems like too many kids had unrealistic stretch schools. Not sure if it was parents pushing certain schools or the college counselors were just off, or whether the landscape is becoming even more brutal.

I think it's becoming more brutal. It's not unrealistic stretch schools, because better college counsellors will try to talk seniors out of unrealistic applications. Rather, students are being deferred or denied from target or reach ED schools. There may be a seismic shift going on this year.

Could it be the Anti-Trump backlash?

Could be. I think that certain colleges really have upped their URM goals this year, and some are actively recruiting "Dreamers" to make a statement. This means that you can throw the Naviance data out the window for now because colleges are shifting their desired class profiles significantly.

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Anonymous wrote:To answer the "nightmare or pleasant surprise" question, from what I know the EA/ED results at our senior's school have been disappointing generally. They definitely vary from the relatively consistent pattern of the past several years. Not sure if application numbers are up across the board, particularly at top 40 ranked colleges, or if a number of admission offices are changing their targets.

Same, at least so far, and at this point I'm talking mainly about Early Decision.

Seems like too many kids had unrealistic stretch schools. Not sure if it was parents pushing certain schools or the college counselors were just off, or whether the landscape is becoming even more brutal.

I think it's becoming more brutal. It's not unrealistic stretch schools, because better college counsellors will try to talk seniors out of unrealistic applications. Rather, students are being deferred or denied from target or reach ED schools. There may be a seismic shift going on this year.

Could it be the Anti-Trump backlash?

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Anonymous wrote:To answer the "nightmare or pleasant surprise" question, from what I know the EA/ED results at our senior's school have been disappointing generally. They definitely vary from the relatively consistent pattern of the past several years. Not sure if application numbers are up across the board, particularly at top 40 ranked colleges, or if a number of admission offices are changing their targets.

Same, at least so far, and at this point I'm talking mainly about Early Decision.

Seems like too many kids had unrealistic stretch schools. Not sure if it was parents pushing certain schools or the college counselors were just off, or whether the landscape is becoming even more brutal.

I think it's becoming more brutal. It's not unrealistic stretch schools, because better college counsellors will try to talk seniors out of unrealistic applications. Rather, students are being deferred or denied from target or reach ED schools. There may be a seismic shift going on this year.

Someone is posting on the DC public and charter school board about some Stanford and Ivy ED admits from Wilson High School and SWWs (gotta wade thru the off-topic snark).

If true these results are better than the last couple years. http://www.dcurbanmom.com/jforum/posts/list/689277.page

Anonymous wrote:To answer the "nightmare or pleasant surprise" question, from what I know the EA/ED results at our senior's school have been disappointing generally. They definitely vary from the relatively consistent pattern of the past several years. Not sure if application numbers are up across the board, particularly at top 40 ranked colleges, or if a number of admission offices are changing their targets.

Same, at least so far, and at this point I'm talking mainly about Early Decision.

Seems like too many kids had unrealistic stretch schools. Not sure if it was parents pushing certain schools or the college counselors were just off, or whether the landscape is becoming even more brutal.

Anonymous wrote:The post about H & S being safeties is absurd. Where’d they go instead? Princeton and Yale- I’m sure this were safeties too

one went to Yale and the other to Harvard, but not the one admitted early. not sure what it matters, however

Anonymous wrote:To answer the "nightmare or pleasant surprise" question, from what I know the EA/ED results at our senior's school have been disappointing generally. They definitely vary from the relatively consistent pattern of the past several years. Not sure if application numbers are up across the board, particularly at top 40 ranked colleges, or if a number of admission offices are changing their targets.

^ definitely both

To answer the "nightmare or pleasant surprise" question, from what I know the EA/ED results at our senior's school have been disappointing generally. They definitely vary from the relatively consistent pattern of the past several years. Not sure if application numbers are up across the board, particularly at top 40 ranked colleges, or if a number of admission offices are changing their targets.

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Anonymous wrote:Listen to all the rich parents for whom getting in is the only hurdle! The vast majority of families have to wait and see what kind of money they will get. Most kids don't get to go to the best college they get into.

Cry me a river. Kids today don't want to get after-school jobs in high school and then complain that college term-time campus employment and loans are so unfair!

??? PP never said her kid didn’t want to work, and she’s probably well aware that most aid packages have work and loan components. Meanwhile her kid is waiting for the best offer to minimize the enormous amount of debt s/he’ll have to take on, and the work, in order to cover the $70,000/year tuition that you (and my family) paid ourselves while our kids had more free time for studying and play. You sound like a complete jerk.

The "complete jerk" whose kid doesn't qualify for financial aid, like the college's alumni "opppresser class," pay for the financial aid.

but back in the day when only full-fees paying kids were welcome at these schools, they functioned solely to protect the elite and the educations weren't so great. It is with the opening of the doors to minorities (Jews, Italians etc so a very narrow definition of minority, but that's not the point here) and having applications be based on merit that the reputations of these schools grew. Get rid of those of us who can't afford full fees? Sure, but there aren't enough people left over to fill the spots with first rate students.

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Anonymous wrote:Listen to all the rich parents for whom getting in is the only hurdle! The vast majority of families have to wait and see what kind of money they will get. Most kids don't get to go to the best college they get into.

Cry me a river. Kids today don't want to get after-school jobs in high school and then complain that college term-time campus employment and loans are so unfair!

??? PP never said her kid didn’t want to work, and she’s probably well aware that most aid packages have work and loan components. Meanwhile her kid is waiting for the best offer to minimize the enormous amount of debt s/he’ll have to take on, and the work, in order to cover the $70,000/year tuition that you (and my family) paid ourselves while our kids had more free time for studying and play. You sound like a complete jerk.

The "complete jerk" whose kid doesn't qualify for financial aid, like the college's alumni "opppresser class," pay for the financial aid.

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Anonymous wrote:Listen to all the rich parents for whom getting in is the only hurdle! The vast majority of families have to wait and see what kind of money they will get. Most kids don't get to go to the best college they get into.

Cry me a river. Kids today don't want to get after-school jobs in high school and then complain that college term-time campus employment and loans are so unfair!

??? PP never said her kid didn’t want to work, and she’s probably well aware that most aid packages have work and loan components. Meanwhile her kid is waiting for the best offer to minimize the enormous amount of debt s/he’ll have to take on, and the work, in order to cover the $70,000/year tuition that you (and my family) paid ourselves while our kids had more free time for studying and play. You sound like a complete jerk.

Anonymous wrote:Listen to all the rich parents for whom getting in is the only hurdle! The vast majority of families have to wait and see what kind of money they will get. Most kids don't get to go to the best college they get into.

Cry me a river. Kids today don't want to get after-school jobs in high school and then complain that college term-time campus employment and loans are so unfair!