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Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

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Anonymous wrote:Long time MoCo resident here with family in NoVa. Sure, NoVa isn’t perfect. But the quality of life is empirically better.

The neighborhoods are nicer, most with a decent level of retail nearby. Trash in medians and on streets, crumbling roads, you just don’t see as much of it in NoVa. Crime is lower, even in the relatively “urban areas” like Rosslyn, Tysons, Crystal City and Ballston. Springfield, Fairfax, Reston, etc may not be paradise but they’re nice, clean, and have great offerings for families not to mention restaurants and shopping.

The job market is way better than MoCo - not even comparable. Schools are comparable and in better shape (MCPS schools are literally mold filled and deteriorating across the county). And the good things about MoCo, like diversity, exist in NoVa, too. And from a state perspective, the university system in VA is miles above MD. I say this as a proud Terp.

MoCo has very few areas that are really thriving. And areas like Rockville Pike and Rio are fine but stagnating.

So yes, doesn’t make me happy, but NoVa is nicer and MoCo is on a continued trajectory of decline. I blame MoCo’s feckless county council.

10 years resident of NoVa here.
You absolutely have no idea of what you're talking about here.
I doubt you even live in Montgomery county.

Tell me what I got wrong about NoVa vs MoCo and be specific. Give examples. I’ll wait.

I highlighted what you got wrong.
The claim that quality of life is better in NoVa is ridiculous.

You have no evidence for bolded. So give some actual examples grounded in fact. Facts are MoCo has slipped in terms of overall wealth, performance of schools, and neighborhoods that were once solidly middle class and safe are now experiencing higher crime, run down infrastructure, and businesses shuttering.

To the poster above who cites the “continuous improvement” of DTSS, by what measure. Stores closing and restaurants shuttering? Repeated incidents of gun violence over the last few years? I love DTSS and live only two miles away. But I no longer go at night after a neighbor was robbed near Wayne and Georgia at gunpoint. Sure, violence can happen anywhere. But violent crime and car jacking, robberies, property theft are still comparatively high as compared to other parts of the county and as compared to areas like Arlington and Fairfax.

And again, the job market in MoCo is barely beating save for the “medical and technology corridor”, though the number of jobs offered are minuscule as compared to the market in NoVa.

I guess I don’t understand the head in the sand crowd about MoCo. We deserve better.

Do you? You're the one who made the claim.
You supposedly don't even live in NoVa, but you're telling me that quality of life is better in NoVa.
Everything you're posting, are the normal talking points from the NoVa side in the continuous NoVa vs MoCo debate. LOL
Troll

Anonymous wrote:Arlington County - What Happened?

https://www.arlnow.com/2025/12/27/developing-police-investigating-shots-fired-near-courthouse/

https://www.arlnow.com/2025/11/10/acpd-investigating-shots-fired-in-halls-hill-neighborhood/

https://www.arlnow.com/2025/10/15/police-investigating-gunfire-that-damaged-window-in-green-valley/

https://www.arlnow.com/2025/04/30/just-in-schools-secured-as-acpd-investigates-shots-fired-call-near-ballston/

https://www.arlnow.com/2025/04/28/one-arrested-after-report-of-shot-fired-outside-of-wakefield-hs-on-saturday/

+1. I live in Arlington and crime is a real problem here. The criminals know that our leadership is soft on crime and that there is no real punishment for what they do. We have tons of stolen packages and cars broken into into my neighborhood. And we're not immune from gun violence, as the links above show. We even have a well-known gun store right in the heart of Clarendon.

Arlington County - What Happened?

https://www.bizjournals.com/washington/news/2025/10/16/nestle-layoffs-philipp-navratil-us-rosslyn.html

https://www.foxessellfaster.com/blog/amazon-hq2-update-25000-jobs-promised-but-moderate-confidence-has-locals-worried/

https://cardinalnews.org/2025/08/20/economic-forecast-says-virginia-will-lose-jobs-this-year-have-virtually-no-job-growth-in-2026/

https://www.washingtonpost.com/dc-md-va/2025/12/02/virginia-budget-taxes-spanberger-youngkin/

https://www.arlnow.com/2025/07/14/declining-interest-in-office-buildings-drives-push-for-fresh-approaches-in-arlington/

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:Long time MoCo resident here with family in NoVa. Sure, NoVa isn’t perfect. But the quality of life is empirically better.

The neighborhoods are nicer, most with a decent level of retail nearby. Trash in medians and on streets, crumbling roads, you just don’t see as much of it in NoVa. Crime is lower, even in the relatively “urban areas” like Rosslyn, Tysons, Crystal City and Ballston. Springfield, Fairfax, Reston, etc may not be paradise but they’re nice, clean, and have great offerings for families not to mention restaurants and shopping.

The job market is way better than MoCo - not even comparable. Schools are comparable and in better shape (MCPS schools are literally mold filled and deteriorating across the county). And the good things about MoCo, like diversity, exist in NoVa, too. And from a state perspective, the university system in VA is miles above MD. I say this as a proud Terp.

MoCo has very few areas that are really thriving. And areas like Rockville Pike and Rio are fine but stagnating.

So yes, doesn’t make me happy, but NoVa is nicer and MoCo is on a continued trajectory of decline. I blame MoCo’s feckless county council.

10 years resident of NoVa here.
You absolutely have no idea of what you're talking about here.
I doubt you even live in Montgomery county.

Tell me what I got wrong about NoVa vs MoCo and be specific. Give examples. I’ll wait.

I highlighted what you got wrong.
The claim that quality of life is better in NoVa is ridiculous.

You have no evidence for bolded. So give some actual examples grounded in fact. Facts are MoCo has slipped in terms of overall wealth, performance of schools, and neighborhoods that were once solidly middle class and safe are now experiencing higher crime, run down infrastructure, and businesses shuttering.

To the poster above who cites the “continuous improvement” of DTSS, by what measure. Stores closing and restaurants shuttering? Repeated incidents of gun violence over the last few years? I love DTSS and live only two miles away. But I no longer go at night after a neighbor was robbed near Wayne and Georgia at gunpoint. Sure, violence can happen anywhere. But violent crime and car jacking, robberies, property theft are still comparatively high as compared to other parts of the county and as compared to areas like Arlington and Fairfax.

And again, the job market in MoCo is barely beating save for the “medical and technology corridor”, though the number of jobs offered are minuscule as compared to the market in NoVa.

I guess I don’t understand the head in the sand crowd about MoCo. We deserve better.

Arlington County - What Happened?

https://www.reddit.com/r/arlingtonva/comments/1nxyzcp/rosslyncourthouse_has_a_homeless_problem/

https://www.reddit.com/r/nova/comments/1nsr8cb/rise_in_homeless_in_rosslynclarendon/

https://www.reddit.com/r/arlingtonva/comments/166thf6/homelessness_arlington/

https://www.reddit.com/r/arlingtonva/comments/1dlzg81/homeless_in_ballston/

https://www.reddit.com/r/arlingtonva/comments/1g9xyiz/homeless_man_screeching_for_hours_in_courthouse/

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:Long time MoCo resident here with family in NoVa. Sure, NoVa isn’t perfect. But the quality of life is empirically better.

The neighborhoods are nicer, most with a decent level of retail nearby. Trash in medians and on streets, crumbling roads, you just don’t see as much of it in NoVa. Crime is lower, even in the relatively “urban areas” like Rosslyn, Tysons, Crystal City and Ballston. Springfield, Fairfax, Reston, etc may not be paradise but they’re nice, clean, and have great offerings for families not to mention restaurants and shopping.

The job market is way better than MoCo - not even comparable. Schools are comparable and in better shape (MCPS schools are literally mold filled and deteriorating across the county). And the good things about MoCo, like diversity, exist in NoVa, too. And from a state perspective, the university system in VA is miles above MD. I say this as a proud Terp.

MoCo has very few areas that are really thriving. And areas like Rockville Pike and Rio are fine but stagnating.

So yes, doesn’t make me happy, but NoVa is nicer and MoCo is on a continued trajectory of decline. I blame MoCo’s feckless county council.

10 years resident of NoVa here.
You absolutely have no idea of what you're talking about here.
I doubt you even live in Montgomery county.

Tell me what I got wrong about NoVa vs MoCo and be specific. Give examples. I’ll wait.

I highlighted what you got wrong.
The claim that quality of life is better in NoVa is ridiculous.

Arlington County - What Happened?

https://www.arlnow.com/2025/12/27/developing-police-investigating-shots-fired-near-courthouse/

https://www.arlnow.com/2025/11/10/acpd-investigating-shots-fired-in-halls-hill-neighborhood/

https://www.arlnow.com/2025/10/15/police-investigating-gunfire-that-damaged-window-in-green-valley/

https://www.arlnow.com/2025/04/30/just-in-schools-secured-as-acpd-investigates-shots-fired-call-near-ballston/

https://www.arlnow.com/2025/04/28/one-arrested-after-report-of-shot-fired-outside-of-wakefield-hs-on-saturday/

I live a few blocks from downtown Silver Spring, and have lived here for the past 20 years, and the depictions here don't match my experience. Perhaps people just don't remember what it was like 15-20 years ago, but it really has been continuous improvement. Honestly, I would prefer less development than what has occurred, because I think that the number of new apartment buildings and other development is too much, but it's really strange to claim that there's been any deterioration. I think people really have a tough time remembering too far back. I do almost all of my errands by walking (have my choice or Whole Foods, Safeway, Giant, and Mom's, and there's a rumor that TJ will be part of an apartment complex under development), my family also enjoys the nearby new community center with indoor pool, and we have probably 50 restaurants within a few blocks (including two breweries that opened within the past 10 years and a third on the way). We also occasionally go the concerts at the recently built Fillmore and also enjoy movies at AFI. I guess if this is what "deterioration" looks like, then I'll take it any day.

Anonymous wrote:Maga is lying about MOCO ignore the idiots

I’m not MAGA. Democratic Party all the way. Never voted Republican. Dismissing the real concerns about the diminishing quality of life in MoCo doesn’t help and it also turns people away from the Democratic Party at the local level. Calling people like me MAGA because we are experiencing the impact of deteriorating infrastructure, business, higher crime in parts of the county, schools that are literally crumbling - it just makes you seem out of touch or ignorant or both.

And sure, there are some remaining parts of the county that remain relatively nice. But when you compare to 15 years ago or to NoVa, it’s not even close. I live in Silver Spring and witness parts of the county like White Oak, DTSS, Wheaton, and parts of Rockville withering, businesses closing, neighborhoods struggling with basic infrastructure. It’s going downhill and while areas like Chevy Chase or Olney or Bethesda or Kentlands may be unscathed there’s an entire rest of the county that isn’t.

Anonymous wrote:Maga is lying about MOCO ignore the idiots

I wish Jeff would ban you. This is so dumb.

Maga is lying about MOCO ignore the idiots

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:Long time MoCo resident here with family in NoVa. Sure, NoVa isn’t perfect. But the quality of life is empirically better.

The neighborhoods are nicer, most with a decent level of retail nearby. Trash in medians and on streets, crumbling roads, you just don’t see as much of it in NoVa. Crime is lower, even in the relatively “urban areas” like Rosslyn, Tysons, Crystal City and Ballston. Springfield, Fairfax, Reston, etc may not be paradise but they’re nice, clean, and have great offerings for families not to mention restaurants and shopping.

The job market is way better than MoCo - not even comparable. Schools are comparable and in better shape (MCPS schools are literally mold filled and deteriorating across the county). And the good things about MoCo, like diversity, exist in NoVa, too. And from a state perspective, the university system in VA is miles above MD. I say this as a proud Terp.

MoCo has very few areas that are really thriving. And areas like Rockville Pike and Rio are fine but stagnating.

So yes, doesn’t make me happy, but NoVa is nicer and MoCo is on a continued trajectory of decline. I blame MoCo’s feckless county council.

10 years resident of NoVa here.
You absolutely have no idea of what you're talking about here.
I doubt you even live in Montgomery county.

Tell me what I got wrong about NoVa vs MoCo and be specific. Give examples. I’ll wait.

Anonymous wrote:Long time MoCo resident here with family in NoVa. Sure, NoVa isn’t perfect. But the quality of life is empirically better.

The neighborhoods are nicer, most with a decent level of retail nearby. Trash in medians and on streets, crumbling roads, you just don’t see as much of it in NoVa. Crime is lower, even in the relatively “urban areas” like Rosslyn, Tysons, Crystal City and Ballston. Springfield, Fairfax, Reston, etc may not be paradise but they’re nice, clean, and have great offerings for families not to mention restaurants and shopping.

The job market is way better than MoCo - not even comparable. Schools are comparable and in better shape (MCPS schools are literally mold filled and deteriorating across the county). And the good things about MoCo, like diversity, exist in NoVa, too. And from a state perspective, the university system in VA is miles above MD. I say this as a proud Terp.

MoCo has very few areas that are really thriving. And areas like Rockville Pike and Rio are fine but stagnating.

So yes, doesn’t make me happy, but NoVa is nicer and MoCo is on a continued trajectory of decline. I blame MoCo’s feckless county council.

10 years resident of NoVa here.
You absolutely have no idea of what you're talking about here.
I doubt you even live in Montgomery county.

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Anonymous wrote:It's so funny that, while the people in this thread act as though Nova is some sort of paradise, the truth is actually coming out in a separate thread in the real estate forum:

https://www.dcurbanmom.com/jforum/posts/list/1307084.page

Preview: People who live in Nova think most of it is awful.

If one is comparing booty holes, the booty hole of MoCo / PG makes the booty hole of NoVa look freshly waxed and bleached.

You need to spend more time in the booty holes of Nova. Lots of areas that are nothing more than depressing strip malls, chain stores and restaurants, and blight.

Anonymous wrote:It's so funny that, while the people in this thread act as though Nova is some sort of paradise, the truth is actually coming out in a separate thread in the real estate forum:

https://www.dcurbanmom.com/jforum/posts/list/1307084.page

Preview: People who live in Nova think most of it is awful.

If one is comparing booty holes, the booty hole of MoCo / PG makes the booty hole of NoVa look freshly waxed and bleached.