Anonymous
Post 03/17/2015 17:01     Subject: PARCC monitoring student's social media, wants schools to "punish" them
Anonymous wrote:
Anonymous wrote:
Anonymous wrote:Do car manufacturers monitor customers' use of the car after purchase? For speeding, not wearing seatbelts, texting while driving, etc. And then contact the local authorities to have violators fined or prosecuted?


How is this comparable?


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Pretty much every Fortune 500 and lots of other companies and organizations monitor social media for mention of them, particularly anything adverse... this is not at all unprecedented or unusual these days.

I seriously doubt these companies are actively searching social media for the purpose of finding law violations to point out to government authorities. That is what Pearson is doing. Searching children's social media for evidence of rule violation and reporting to schools/state. It's creepy.


Actually many companies have - they've gone after people for copyright infringement, fraudulent claims, libel and other things based on what was stated online. You are free to say whatever you like online but there are consequences.
Anonymous
Post 03/17/2015 15:42     Subject: PARCC monitoring student's social media, wants schools to "punish" them
Here is another example of how many math "educator" types should not be writing the standards for mathematical education--they do not truly understand math, or at least the ones who write these tests do not. They make up tricks that are incorrect OR don't know math well enough to apply the tools and tricks that other math educators come up with.

http://www.dcurbanmom.com/jforum/posts/list/455659.page
Anonymous
Post 03/17/2015 15:36     Subject: PARCC monitoring student's social media, wants schools to "punish" them


^ Exactly.
Anonymous
Post 03/17/2015 15:12     Subject: PARCC monitoring student's social media, wants schools to "punish" them
If they are violating the school's rules then it is not Pearson's concern to get involved or be a watchdog. They have a huge conflict of interest here and should have nothing to do with students.
Anonymous
Post 03/17/2015 15:06     Subject: PARCC monitoring student's social media, wants schools to "punish" them
Anonymous wrote:
Why doesn't Pearson contact the offender themselves? Why do they contact the offender's school?


Maybe because it's the school's rules that the "offender" is violating.

What do you suppose the reaction would be if Pearson contacted the student themselves?
Anonymous
Post 03/17/2015 15:04     Subject: PARCC monitoring student's social media, wants schools to "punish" them

Why doesn't Pearson contact the offender themselves? Why do they contact the offender's school?
Anonymous
Post 03/17/2015 14:21     Subject: PARCC monitoring student's social media, wants schools to "punish" them
Anonymous wrote:
Anonymous wrote:
Anonymous wrote:Do car manufacturers monitor customers' use of the car after purchase? For speeding, not wearing seatbelts, texting while driving, etc. And then contact the local authorities to have violators fined or prosecuted?


How is this comparable?


This was a response to this post:

Pretty much every Fortune 500 and lots of other companies and organizations monitor social media for mention of them, particularly anything adverse... this is not at all unprecedented or unusual these days.

I seriously doubt these companies are actively searching social media for the purpose of finding law violations to point out to government authorities. That is what Pearson is doing. Searching children's social media for evidence of rule violation and reporting to schools/state. It's creepy.


Pearson is not searching children's social media for evidence of rule violation. Pearson is monitoring social media for people posting Pearson's proprietary stuff on social media. I'm guessing that the College Board also monitors social media in the same way, for the same reason.

Does it harm a car manufacturer if I speed after I buy a car from them? No. Does it harm testing companies if people post test questions on social media? Yes.

If you don't want companies to monitor your stuff on social media, then don't put stuff on social media.
Anonymous
Post 03/17/2015 14:09     Subject: PARCC monitoring student's social media, wants schools to "punish" them
Anonymous wrote:
Anonymous wrote:Do car manufacturers monitor customers' use of the car after purchase? For speeding, not wearing seatbelts, texting while driving, etc. And then contact the local authorities to have violators fined or prosecuted?


How is this comparable?


This was a response to this post:

Pretty much every Fortune 500 and lots of other companies and organizations monitor social media for mention of them, particularly anything adverse... this is not at all unprecedented or unusual these days.

I seriously doubt these companies are actively searching social media for the purpose of finding law violations to point out to government authorities. That is what Pearson is doing. Searching children's social media for evidence of rule violation and reporting to schools/state. It's creepy.
Anonymous
Post 03/17/2015 14:09     Subject: PARCC monitoring student's social media, wants schools to "punish" them
Anonymous wrote:Do car manufacturers monitor customers' use of the car after purchase? For speeding, not wearing seatbelts, texting while driving, etc. And then contact the local authorities to have violators fined or prosecuted?


That's not comparable at all. A comparable question would be do musicians, and artists, and software engineers, and others who create intellectual property monitor the internet to ensure that people are not redistributing their work in violation of copywright law, and thus impacting their profit margin? The answer is yes. When they discover a violation, do they contact organizations such as youtube and ask that the offending content be removed? All the time.
Anonymous
Post 03/17/2015 14:03     Subject: Re:PARCC monitoring student's social media, wants schools to "punish" them
Anonymous wrote:

I would have had less of a problem if the problem said something like Find the opposite about zero or opposite with respect to zero. Opposite is a relative term and needs to be qualified. This question just shows the test is written to a low standard and by people who are limited in mathematical knowledge themselves and believe the end product of education should be regurgitating what one was taught in a closed system, instead of knowledge that will connect with the broader world and extend into deeper study of real, not constructed, subject matter.


I think what it mostly means that every person who has gone to school thinks that they are an expert about education.
Anonymous
Post 03/17/2015 14:03     Subject: PARCC monitoring student's social media, wants schools to "punish" them
Anonymous wrote:Do car manufacturers monitor customers' use of the car after purchase? For speeding, not wearing seatbelts, texting while driving, etc. And then contact the local authorities to have violators fined or prosecuted?


They contact insurance companies, anyway. But, yes, this information is collected and can be used in criminal investigations of traffic accidents.
Anonymous
Post 03/17/2015 14:02     Subject: Re:PARCC monitoring student's social media, wants schools to "punish" them
Anonymous wrote:
Anonymous wrote:
Anonymous wrote:
Anonymous wrote:
Checked with a mathematician. He laughed. Opposite is not a math word.


LOL!

Just asked by DH. He asked: Do you mean "inverse"? Never heard "opposite" at MIT.


Well, if DH never heard it at MIT, then obviously it doesn't exist!

No, wait...

http://www.montereyinstitute.org/courses/Algebra1/COURSE_TEXT_RESOURCE/U02_L1_T1_text_final.html

(I bet he never heard about "regrouping" or "composition/decomposition" at MIT, either.)


The diff is that Monterey defined their term.
Using terms like regrouping is ok for teaching but they are a means to an end, not an end in itself. Testing should be about knowledge of subject matter.


Monterey used the term in the same way that the PARCC test question did. Therefore, the PARCC test question did not make up the idea.

Also, math subject matter includes math vocabulary.


I would have had less of a problem if the problem said something like Find the opposite about zero or opposite with respect to zero. Opposite is a relative term and needs to be qualified. This question just shows the test is written to a low standard and by people who are limited in mathematical knowledge themselves and believe the end product of education should be regurgitating what one was taught in a closed system, instead of knowledge that will connect with the broader world and extend into deeper study of real, not constructed, subject matter.
Anonymous
Post 03/17/2015 13:38     Subject: PARCC monitoring student's social media, wants schools to "punish" them
Anonymous wrote:Do car manufacturers monitor customers' use of the car after purchase? For speeding, not wearing seatbelts, texting while driving, etc. And then contact the local authorities to have violators fined or prosecuted?


How is this comparable?
Anonymous
Post 03/17/2015 13:35     Subject: PARCC monitoring student's social media, wants schools to "punish" them
Do car manufacturers monitor customers' use of the car after purchase? For speeding, not wearing seatbelts, texting while driving, etc. And then contact the local authorities to have violators fined or prosecuted?
Anonymous
Post 03/17/2015 13:33     Subject: Re:PARCC monitoring student's social media, wants schools to "punish" them
Anonymous wrote:
Anonymous wrote:
What do you think adult criminals were doing when they were kids? Probably not their chores.



So that means it's okay to monitor kids . . . because they are really miniature adult criminals. ??

No, that's not what I said. What is it you fear?


I also have no idea what you mean by your comment about criminals and chores. Feel free to explain the thought.