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"We just continue to let" - what exactly is he proposing?

I hate how this happened - but this is what people voted for. Trump did what he said he was going to do: appoint Sup Ct justices to overturn Roe.

People did. Of course, not the majority of the people that voted, but yes, ELECTORAL COLLEGE. I get it.

The theory at work here is that Trump's actions after the 2020 election in trying to get Biden's win overthrown, should negate the authority of his appointments and those three justices should be removed. I am not really on board with that, but it's pretty rich that three justices are sitting there under the appointment of a one-term President that didn't win the popular vote and refused to accept the results of the election he lost. I mean, this isn't really representation. This is ivory tower ideologues making decisions that affect us all.

I am the PP - and this is just liberal fantasizing, that somehow we'd finally catch Trump doing something so bad that we could go and undo everything he did while president. It just doesn't work that way. I hate him. I think he's the worst person who could EVER be president. I would take Jesse Ventura as president with that guy who ate someone's face while high on bath salts as VP over Trump without hesitation.

But - behaving as he did on Jan 6 (and throughout his presidency! I don't even think Jan 6 was the worst thing he did) does not somehow give you the ability to undo Thanos's snap or however you want to think about it. People VOTED for Trump, and while he was the duly elected president (barf, ARGH) he got to appoint three Sup Ct justices. And he picked them TO overturn Roe.

We tried to tell people in 2015 that the Sup Ct was at stake, and Roe was at stake, not to mention everything else. But more people liked Trump than Clinton. And here we are. It just makes people sound like effing idiots to somehow think that we can just undo all the things we hate because Trump was just as bad as we knew he was going to be.

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Anonymous wrote:In Mississippi

9 children have died due to COVID

3,194 children died by abortion in 2019

Imagine if not having an abortion was a condition to employment for the sake of saving childrens lives there.

I just don't see the synthesis of the logic used in support of abortion except for being real honest with ourselves and admitting ok, 99% of time, it's a convenience thing and it's not about right to privacy in our bodies, it's not about saving lives. It's convenience. It's birth control. Be honest with yourselves

0 children died from abortion. You cannot abort a child. Nice try but WRONG.

You deny science then. There's no magic when what is inside the uterus comes out of it. It doesn't magically transform into a baby like a sci fi movie. It's not a changling.

The “magic” is when it goes from needing the mother’s body to survive vs. not.

Okay, true it needs the mother to survive for probably at least 24 weeks usually, but it's still a baby growing. Not a tadpole or widget. It's a person.

Spoken like a true man. STFU. Nobody cares about your uninformed opinion.

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Anonymous wrote:In Mississippi

9 children have died due to COVID

3,194 children died by abortion in 2019

Imagine if not having an abortion was a condition to employment for the sake of saving childrens lives there.

I just don't see the synthesis of the logic used in support of abortion except for being real honest with ourselves and admitting ok, 99% of time, it's a convenience thing and it's not about right to privacy in our bodies, it's not about saving lives. It's convenience. It's birth control. Be honest with yourselves

0 children died from abortion. You cannot abort a child. Nice try but WRONG.

You deny science then. There's no magic when what is inside the uterus comes out of it. It doesn't magically transform into a baby like a sci fi movie. It's not a changling.

I’m not a science denier. It isn’t a child until it can live outside my body on its own. I know this because I have two kids.

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Anonymous wrote:In Mississippi

9 children have died due to COVID

3,194 children died by abortion in 2019

Imagine if not having an abortion was a condition to employment for the sake of saving childrens lives there.

I just don't see the synthesis of the logic used in support of abortion except for being real honest with ourselves and admitting ok, 99% of time, it's a convenience thing and it's not about right to privacy in our bodies, it's not about saving lives. It's convenience. It's birth control. Be honest with yourselves

0 children died from abortion. You cannot abort a child. Nice try but WRONG.

You deny science then. There's no magic when what is inside the uterus comes out of it. It doesn't magically transform into a baby like a sci fi movie. It's not a changling.

The “magic” is when it goes from needing the mother’s body to survive vs. not.

Okay, true it needs the mother to survive for probably at least 24 weeks usually, but it's still a baby growing. Not a tadpole or widget. It's a person.

Anonymous wrote:In Mississippi

9 children have died due to COVID

3,194 children died by abortion in 2019

Imagine if not having an abortion was a condition to employment for the sake of saving childrens lives there.

I just don't see the synthesis of the logic used in support of abortion except for being real honest with ourselves and admitting ok, 99% of time, it's a convenience thing and it's not about right to privacy in our bodies, it's not about saving lives. It's convenience. It's birth control. Be honest with yourselves

You can put those numbers up but without any other statistics behind it they are meaningless.

"Thirty-one percent of the abortions were performed on women with no living children, while 30 percent were on women with one child and 39 percent on women with two or more children. More than two-thirds of the abortions were obtained by women with no previous abortions.

Almost all Mississippi abortions occurred in the early second trimester or before. Over two-thirds (68 percent) were performed at eight weeks of gestation or earlier, and 17 percent were performed between nine and 10 weeks. Seven percent were reported between 11 and 12 weeks, and eight percent occurred between 13 and 16 weeks of gestation. Zero abortions were reported from 17 to 20 weeks, and just one abortion was performed at 21 weeks of gestation or later. Mississippi limits abortion after 20 weeks of gestation unless the woman’s life or a major bodily function is in danger.

Chemical abortions made up 71 percent of the total in 2019, while 29 percent of the abortions were performed via suction curettage. No other types of procedures were reported. Zero complications were reported in 2019.

Nine percent of the abortions were performed on women with less than a high school education. Twenty-four percent were performed on women who had graduated high school, and 30 percent were obtained by women who had attended some college but had no degree. Thirty-six percent of the abortions were on women with a college degree, and two percent were performed on women whose level of education was not reported.

Nine percent of the abortions reported in Mississippi were performed on girls aged 19 or younger. Sixty-two percent of the abortions were performed on women in their twenties, including just over 30 percent on women ages 20 to 24 and a little more than 31 percent on women ages 25 to 29. Twenty-seven percent of the abortions were obtained by women in their thirties, and two percent were performed on women in their forties.

91% are unmarried."

The majority of women are unmarried, with 89% 20-39, 36% with a college degree with 2/3 having no previous abortions. Only 31% of the women had no living children.

Having control over your body as a female is about birth control. BC methods fail. Morning after pill fails. If a woman can use the pharma/medical system to make a baby (reproductive assistance/IVF) because she cant then reciprocally the pharma/medical can be used to ensure she doesnt continue with a pregnancy if she does.

If you start removing abortion as an option for birth control you pave the way for removing other types of birth control.

Anonymous wrote:In Mississippi

9 children have died due to COVID

3,194 children died by abortion in 2019

Imagine if not having an abortion was a condition to employment for the sake of saving childrens lives there.

I just don't see the synthesis of the logic used in support of abortion except for being real honest with ourselves and admitting ok, 99% of time, it's a convenience thing and it's not about right to privacy in our bodies, it's not about saving lives. It's convenience. It's birth control. Be honest with yourselves

I want to make sure I understand your underpinning assumption. As you already know most abortions are very early in Mississippi due to the fact that TRAP laws have limited what services can be provided. Are you saying a fetus at 16 weeks has equivalent rights and “humanity” to a living human child? Are you willing to accept all of the logical outcomes of that assertion? If not, stop saying “children died”.

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Anonymous wrote:In Mississippi

9 children have died due to COVID

3,194 children died by abortion in 2019

Imagine if not having an abortion was a condition to employment for the sake of saving childrens lives there.

I just don't see the synthesis of the logic used in support of abortion except for being real honest with ourselves and admitting ok, 99% of time, it's a convenience thing and it's not about right to privacy in our bodies, it's not about saving lives. It's convenience. It's birth control. Be honest with yourselves

You're starting to understand. Now post the statistics about how an unwanted baby reduces a woman's educational prospects, financial security, wrecks career, etc.

That's what birth control means. Do you want educational, financial, career control for women? Or not?

I just want honesty in the dialog and not gaslighting with right to privacy in our bodies. We don't have a right to privacy in our bodies anymore if that privacy kills others. It's gone since 2021.

Did you sleep through Ebola, which was the first exposure of many people to public health?

My mother is a retired county public health nurse - maternal child health and immunizations. I had a life of exposure to public health.

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Anonymous wrote:In Mississippi

9 children have died due to COVID

3,194 children died by abortion in 2019

Imagine if not having an abortion was a condition to employment for the sake of saving childrens lives there.

I just don't see the synthesis of the logic used in support of abortion except for being real honest with ourselves and admitting ok, 99% of time, it's a convenience thing and it's not about right to privacy in our bodies, it's not about saving lives. It's convenience. It's birth control. Be honest with yourselves

0 children died from abortion. You cannot abort a child. Nice try but WRONG.

You deny science then. There's no magic when what is inside the uterus comes out of it. It doesn't magically transform into a baby like a sci fi movie. It's not a changling.

The “magic” is when it goes from needing the mother’s body to survive vs. not.

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Anonymous wrote:In Mississippi

9 children have died due to COVID

3,194 children died by abortion in 2019

Imagine if not having an abortion was a condition to employment for the sake of saving childrens lives there.

I just don't see the synthesis of the logic used in support of abortion except for being real honest with ourselves and admitting ok, 99% of time, it's a convenience thing and it's not about right to privacy in our bodies, it's not about saving lives. It's convenience. It's birth control. Be honest with yourselves

0 children died from abortion. You cannot abort a child. Nice try but WRONG.

You deny science then. There's no magic when what is inside the uterus comes out of it. It doesn't magically transform into a baby like a sci fi movie. It's not a changling.

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Anonymous wrote:In Mississippi

9 children have died due to COVID

3,194 children died by abortion in 2019

Imagine if not having an abortion was a condition to employment for the sake of saving childrens lives there.

I just don't see the synthesis of the logic used in support of abortion except for being real honest with ourselves and admitting ok, 99% of time, it's a convenience thing and it's not about right to privacy in our bodies, it's not about saving lives. It's convenience. It's birth control. Be honest with yourselves

You're starting to understand. Now post the statistics about how an unwanted baby reduces a woman's educational prospects, financial security, wrecks career, etc.

That's what birth control means. Do you want educational, financial, career control for women? Or not?

I just want honesty in the dialog and not gaslighting with right to privacy in our bodies. We don't have a right to privacy in our bodies anymore if that privacy kills others. It's gone since 2021.

Did you sleep through Ebola, which was the first exposure of many people to public health?

was spellchecker not me!!

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Anonymous wrote:In Mississippi

9 children have died due to COVID

3,194 children died by abortion in 2019

Imagine if not having an abortion was a condition to employment for the sake of saving childrens lives there.

I just don't see the synthesis of the logic used in support of abortion except for being real honest with ourselves and admitting ok, 99% of time, it's a convenience thing and it's not about right to privacy in our bodies, it's not about saving lives. It's convenience. It's birth control. Be honest with yourselves

You're starting to understand. Now post the statistics about how an unwanted baby reduces a woman's educational prospects, financial security, wrecks career, etc.

That's what birth control means. Do you want educational, financial, career control for women? Or not?

I just want honesty in the dialog and not gaslighting with right to privacy in our bodies. We don't have a right to privacy in our bodies anymore if that privacy kills others. It's gone since 2021.

Anonymous wrote:In Mississippi

9 children have died due to COVID

3,194 children died by abortion in 2019

Imagine if not having an abortion was a condition to employment for the sake of saving childrens lives there.

I just don't see the synthesis of the logic used in support of abortion except for being real honest with ourselves and admitting ok, 99% of time, it's a convenience thing and it's not about right to privacy in our bodies, it's not about saving lives. It's convenience. It's birth control. Be honest with yourselves

0 children died from abortion. You cannot abort a child. Nice try but WRONG.

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Anonymous wrote:I sincerely hope that with the push to end Roe that it will also turn on IVF. I mean isn't that what pro-lifers want? Life begins at conception. IVF isn't even really conception right? So no more IVF. Or at the minimum rich white women/couples are forced to carry to term embryos that are deemed not viable for life.

https://www.dcurbanmom.com/jforum/posts/list/1018662.page

I know it's childish but this works for me, the people making these decisions and the crowd who is (very easily) swaying them all generally start families later in life, it comes with the territory. So let's takeaway their back up plan.

+10000 - you don't get to preach and blabber on about the "sanctity of life" and then throw away embryos.

Octomom ftw

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Anonymous wrote:I sincerely hope that with the push to end Roe that it will also turn on IVF. I mean isn't that what pro-lifers want? Life begins at conception. IVF isn't even really conception right? So no more IVF. Or at the minimum rich white women/couples are forced to carry to term embryos that are deemed not viable for life.

https://www.dcurbanmom.com/jforum/posts/list/1018662.page

I know it's childish but this works for me, the people making these decisions and the crowd who is (very easily) swaying them all generally start families later in life, it comes with the territory. So let's takeaway their back up plan.

+10000 - you don't get to preach and blabber on about the "sanctity of life" and then throw away embryos.