Anonymous
Post 10/13/2023 18:41     Subject: When is a classroom unsafe? How would you handle? Kindergarten DD scratched in face and kicked in back at recess
Anonymous wrote:You will lose your kid’s trust and respect if you don’t move them to a safe classroom, put them in private, or homeschool.
Ask me how I know.

+ 1,000 - Children have a right to basic safety. They don’t learn when they’re full of fear.
Anonymous
Post 10/13/2023 18:31     Subject: Re:When is a classroom unsafe? How would you handle? Kindergarten DD scratched in face and kicked in back at recess
Anonymous wrote:
Maybe turn off the Fox News for a bit. I was a teacher from before this was a huge issue to after, and I saw exactly how it played out. It was not progressive policies. It was the confluence of changing educational policy (which did not originate with politicians) and the needs of certain districts to save money. It stuck because it was cheaper, and once schools had cut the special disciplinary staff, the extra self-contained teachers, and repurposed the extra classroom space, there was no going back when it turned out to be a disaster.


I can recall ~ 25 years ago when those working with IDEA pushed inclusive classrooms and natural environments for early intervention. I thought it was a mistake then and is still today.

These events described here may or may not be mental disorders that require a different learning environment. Hard to tell in the first quarter in K. Many of these kids will turn it around with support from school and home.


You probably said the same thing when they started letting black kids go to school with you.
Anonymous
Post 10/13/2023 09:58     Subject: When is a classroom unsafe? How would you handle? Kindergarten DD scratched in face and kicked in back at recess
Anonymous wrote:Why are so many kids so disruptive these days??


It's hard to tell. Some possible factors are excessive screen time rewiring the brain (there's actual evidence for this), lax parenting, and fewer real consequences/boundaries. And while most students with autism are not violent, my personal experience has been that the increasing number of kids with autism brings increasing problematic behaviors that require more than one teacher to deal with.
Anonymous
Post 10/13/2023 08:07     Subject: When is a classroom unsafe? How would you handle? Kindergarten DD scratched in face and kicked in back at recess
Why are so many kids so disruptive these days??
Anonymous
Post 10/13/2023 07:52     Subject: Re:When is a classroom unsafe? How would you handle? Kindergarten DD scratched in face and kicked in back at recess
Maybe turn off the Fox News for a bit. I was a teacher from before this was a huge issue to after, and I saw exactly how it played out. It was not progressive policies. It was the confluence of changing educational policy (which did not originate with politicians) and the needs of certain districts to save money. It stuck because it was cheaper, and once schools had cut the special disciplinary staff, the extra self-contained teachers, and repurposed the extra classroom space, there was no going back when it turned out to be a disaster.


I can recall ~ 25 years ago when those working with IDEA pushed inclusive classrooms and natural environments for early intervention. I thought it was a mistake then and is still today.

These events described here may or may not be mental disorders that require a different learning environment. Hard to tell in the first quarter in K. Many of these kids will turn it around with support from school and home.
Anonymous
Post 10/13/2023 06:17     Subject: Re:When is a classroom unsafe? How would you handle? Kindergarten DD scratched in face and kicked in back at recess
Anonymous wrote:
Anonymous wrote:
Anonymous wrote:
Anonymous wrote:The current system is broken. Too many kids with violent behavior are in general education classrooms. The protections and accommodations afforded violent students generally and especially those with an IEP are too great. The timeline to action is too slow. Their victims are not protected. I’m not a policy or a lawyer. I do not know the solution, but I can tell you that it is a problem. This problem needs to be addressed differently than it is today.


Everyone agrees it is broken, but properly funding special education isn't a popular policy position. They'll give it lip service, but they won't get their pocketbooks out.


Then it comes back to shifting the policy so the main burden of this exorbitant cost is on the feds. Local schools are never going to have the immense amounts of money this can cost.


Or we could just have mainstream schools and special schools for kids who are not able to be reasonably educated in mainstream schools, like the rest of the world. And bring back mental hospitals at the same time.

The experiments have failed and it’s time to claim the country back.


"In the name of the greatest people that have ever trod this earth, I draw the line in the dust and toss the gauntlet before the feet of tyranny . . . and I say . . . segregation today . . . segregation tomorrow . . . segregation forever."
Anonymous
Post 10/12/2023 14:17     Subject: Re:When is a classroom unsafe? How would you handle? Kindergarten DD scratched in face and kicked in back at recess
Anonymous wrote:
Anonymous wrote:
Anonymous wrote:The current system is broken. Too many kids with violent behavior are in general education classrooms. The protections and accommodations afforded violent students generally and especially those with an IEP are too great. The timeline to action is too slow. Their victims are not protected. I’m not a policy or a lawyer. I do not know the solution, but I can tell you that it is a problem. This problem needs to be addressed differently than it is today.


Everyone agrees it is broken, but properly funding special education isn't a popular policy position. They'll give it lip service, but they won't get their pocketbooks out.


Then it comes back to shifting the policy so the main burden of this exorbitant cost is on the feds. Local schools are never going to have the immense amounts of money this can cost.


Or we could just have mainstream schools and special schools for kids who are not able to be reasonably educated in mainstream schools, like the rest of the world. And bring back mental hospitals at the same time.

The experiments have failed and it’s time to claim the country back.
Anonymous
Post 10/12/2023 14:11     Subject: Re:When is a classroom unsafe? How would you handle? Kindergarten DD scratched in face and kicked in back at recess
Anonymous wrote:
Anonymous wrote:Progressive policies are making classrooms unsafe and driving good teachers out of public schools. Check out the thread on teacher resignation.

But progressive news is blaming everything except the very progressive policies driving the violence in classrooms.

From the other thread on teacher resignation, this post sums it up well:

“
I like how the author casually fails to mention of the impacts of progressive education policy in recent years, like instituting restorative Justice programs or less punitive approaches to managing disruptive students (like suspensions or of removing trouble students from classes), and it’s effect on teacher retention. If teachers feel they can’t teach properly because they have no recourse for disruptive students, or are in danger, but are forced to keep violent kids in classes because of these types of idealistic, naive policies, it would be good to read about that. Instead we get a watered down version of the truth.

https://www.nytimes.com/2023/09/13/opinion/te...tudents-parents.html “


In DMV schools, a disruptive child is left IN the classroom, while every other student leaves the classroom, disrupting learning for the whole class. It is insanity.


Maybe turn off the Fox News for a bit. I was a teacher from before this was a huge issue to after, and I saw exactly how it played out. It was not progressive policies. It was the confluence of changing educational policy (which did not originate with politicians) and the needs of certain districts to save money. It stuck because it was cheaper, and once schools had cut the special disciplinary staff, the extra self-contained teachers, and repurposed the extra classroom space, there was no going back when it turned out to be a disaster.


What are the policy changes you reference?
jordan31
Post 10/04/2023 13:34     Subject: Re:When is a classroom unsafe? How would you handle? Kindergarten DD scratched in face and kicked in back at recess
hello ,
Recently some one twisted arm of my kid in kindergarden and she cried in class room . we sent email to teacher and mentioned its unacceptable. the kid who twisted her arm is giving trouble to most of the kid .. how we should approach it going further if there is new incident.

thank you
Anonymous
Post 10/04/2023 09:45     Subject: Re:When is a classroom unsafe? How would you handle? Kindergarten DD scratched in face and kicked in back at recess
Anonymous wrote:

It's still early in the school year- they are probably working to scaffold behavioral support for that kid still.


Yep. They need to gather data, put supports into place, gather more data, intensify supports, etc. They have a process to follow.

I like the suggestion of the PP for how to coach your child through avoiding the kid, and I would wait and see. But if another incident happened, I would contact the principal and ask to meet to discuss your concerns (and options). They can't disclose anything about the child, but if they suggest a class change, that speaks volumes. (I think last year that exact scenario happened to a poster).


Gather data? OP’s kid is not “data.”

The kid should be suspended. The burden should be on the parents NOT the other kids.
Anonymous
Post 10/03/2023 14:17     Subject: Re:When is a classroom unsafe? How would you handle? Kindergarten DD scratched in face and kicked in back at recess
Anonymous wrote:Progressive policies are making classrooms unsafe and driving good teachers out of public schools. Check out the thread on teacher resignation.

But progressive news is blaming everything except the very progressive policies driving the violence in classrooms.

From the other thread on teacher resignation, this post sums it up well:

“
I like how the author casually fails to mention of the impacts of progressive education policy in recent years, like instituting restorative Justice programs or less punitive approaches to managing disruptive students (like suspensions or of removing trouble students from classes), and it’s effect on teacher retention. If teachers feel they can’t teach properly because they have no recourse for disruptive students, or are in danger, but are forced to keep violent kids in classes because of these types of idealistic, naive policies, it would be good to read about that. Instead we get a watered down version of the truth.

https://www.nytimes.com/2023/09/13/opinion/te...tudents-parents.html “


In DMV schools, a disruptive child is left IN the classroom, while every other student leaves the classroom, disrupting learning for the whole class. It is insanity.


Maybe turn off the Fox News for a bit. I was a teacher from before this was a huge issue to after, and I saw exactly how it played out. It was not progressive policies. It was the confluence of changing educational policy (which did not originate with politicians) and the needs of certain districts to save money. It stuck because it was cheaper, and once schools had cut the special disciplinary staff, the extra self-contained teachers, and repurposed the extra classroom space, there was no going back when it turned out to be a disaster.
Anonymous
Post 09/27/2023 12:15     Subject: When is a classroom unsafe? How would you handle? Kindergarten DD scratched in face and kicked in back at recess
Anonymous wrote:This is the thread:

https://www.dcurbanmom.com/jforum/posts/list/1155325.page

Extreme progressive policies are making classrooms unsafe.


This is not about progressive policies--stop insisting on your false narrative. This is the legal process schools go through to recommend a more restrictive environment for a child--and to get the public funds to pay for that. It's September in Kindergarten, they have to jump through hoops to make this happen.
Anonymous
Post 09/27/2023 08:43     Subject: When is a classroom unsafe? How would you handle? Kindergarten DD scratched in face and kicked in back at recess
This is the thread:

https://www.dcurbanmom.com/jforum/posts/list/1155325.page

Extreme progressive policies are making classrooms unsafe.
Anonymous
Post 09/27/2023 08:41     Subject: Re:When is a classroom unsafe? How would you handle? Kindergarten DD scratched in face and kicked in back at recess
Progressive policies are making classrooms unsafe and driving good teachers out of public schools. Check out the thread on teacher resignation.

But progressive news is blaming everything except the very progressive policies driving the violence in classrooms.

From the other thread on teacher resignation, this post sums it up well:

“
I like how the author casually fails to mention of the impacts of progressive education policy in recent years, like instituting restorative Justice programs or less punitive approaches to managing disruptive students (like suspensions or of removing trouble students from classes), and it’s effect on teacher retention. If teachers feel they can’t teach properly because they have no recourse for disruptive students, or are in danger, but are forced to keep violent kids in classes because of these types of idealistic, naive policies, it would be good to read about that. Instead we get a watered down version of the truth.

https://www.nytimes.com/2023/09/13/opinion/te...tudents-parents.html “


In DMV schools, a disruptive child is left IN the classroom, while every other student leaves the classroom, disrupting learning for the whole class. It is insanity.
Anonymous
Post 09/27/2023 05:23     Subject: Re:When is a classroom unsafe? How would you handle? Kindergarten DD scratched in face and kicked in back at recess
Anonymous wrote:
Anonymous wrote:The current system is broken. Too many kids with violent behavior are in general education classrooms. The protections and accommodations afforded violent students generally and especially those with an IEP are too great. The timeline to action is too slow. Their victims are not protected. I’m not a policy or a lawyer. I do not know the solution, but I can tell you that it is a problem. This problem needs to be addressed differently than it is today.


Everyone agrees it is broken, but properly funding special education isn't a popular policy position. They'll give it lip service, but they won't get their pocketbooks out.


Then it comes back to shifting the policy so the main burden of this exorbitant cost is on the feds. Local schools are never going to have the immense amounts of money this can cost.