jcargabr wrote:She's gone? I swear I saw her yesterday...

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:Ok then. I hope that the president/CEO is successfully sued by the wrongfully terminated director, and financial damages come straight out of his pocket. I hope he is forced to resign his position and that the wrongfully terminated director is reinstated.

Rules concerning the school's administrators right to socialize with other school families should apply to all the administrators. One person should not be singled out by person who is in charge of everything with no personal accountability whatsoever. That is all.

Don't forget that karma is a B**** and it could come back to bite you in the butt.
It's best not to wish others the worst because in the end it'll fire back on you!

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:Just a thought...has anyone bothered to talk to any of the teachers or other employees at the school. I have spoken with several of them and they are not in the slightest disappointed with the departure of Betsy no matter the reason. The morale and mood of the staff seem to be better now than in the weeks leading up to her "mysterious" departure. One poster mentioned that her child loved Betsy, but I work with kids and know that what they like or dislike, or love or hate, is rather fly by night. We had an amazing soccer coach with our soccer program, which by the way came with us from the old location, that the children that attended his class religiously loved and adored.....even referring to soccer days as "Soccer Man Day." This program was adored by kids, parents and teachers alike, and my understanding is that Betsy was responsible for not renewing their business and going with the current soccer provider, which is not nearly as liked by the kids, parents or employees.

Bottom line is that the important factor is not why, but that the school maintains it's high order of service to the children, mainly, but the parents as well. One should consider that before they begin making demands or pushing for answers. Do you your children come home better socially and intellectually for attending Rock Spring? If the answer to that is still yes, then move on from this craziness and be thankful that you are enrolled in a school that cares for and loves the children the way the teachers and employees do at Rock Spring, Betsy or not! The kids are the important piece after all, not the nosy, controlling parents.

My two cents....

TOTALLY disagree that teachers are not upset. I was SHOCKED when I found it - had been trying to reach her, leaving messages about an issue with my kid - and finally called the office main number to be told that she was not longer there. The teachers were shocked, too. I remember the look on their faces. They're shocked and confused. Read all these posts about people with financial difficulties. What about the teachers? Do you think they are really going to risk immediate dismissal by gossiping about Betsy?

For someone to be summarily fired, there had to be MAJOR issues...that we would have known about. Prior complaints, major transgressions...I thought maybe she had too hard a time handling the school and some family issues right now and had a slight breakdown...and I think the office was fine letting me assume that.

I am also saddened to read the "what do we care?" attitude. We're all working women, I presume. Finding reliable, loving excellent care is HARD. I was prepared to quit my job is Rock Spring was not a good place. I have been so amazed by the school - and from my perspective, Betsy was the true leader who set the tone. (Or I thought she was...now I think it is the combination CEO/President/Chair of Board of Directors who makes how much money for working part time? Hmm....Where is the financial and legal oversight, not to mention HR oversight?

Let's not let this neighborhood treasure be destroyed - for all our sakes.

Sorry to burst your bubble of imagination, but from what I have seen the teachers don't seem to be affected by this person's sudden departure. Look again carefully at your surroundings when you are arriving to the school. It's called acting, to not have to give any explanations. I'm sure you've seen that where you work. If not let me explain in simple words, its called learning to mind one's own business

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:Just a thought...has anyone bothered to talk to any of the teachers or other employees at the school. I have spoken with several of them and they are not in the slightest disappointed with the departure of Betsy no matter the reason. The morale and mood of the staff seem to be better now than in the weeks leading up to her "mysterious" departure. One poster mentioned that her child loved Betsy, but I work with kids and know that what they like or dislike, or love or hate, is rather fly by night. We had an amazing soccer coach with our soccer program, which by the way came with us from the old location, that the children that attended his class religiously loved and adored.....even referring to soccer days as "Soccer Man Day." This program was adored by kids, parents and teachers alike, and my understanding is that Betsy was responsible for not renewing their business and going with the current soccer provider, which is not nearly as liked by the kids, parents or employees.

Bottom line is that the important factor is not why, but that the school maintains it's high order of service to the children, mainly, but the parents as well. One should consider that before they begin making demands or pushing for answers. Do you your children come home better socially and intellectually for attending Rock Spring? If the answer to that is still yes, then move on from this craziness and be thankful that you are enrolled in a school that cares for and loves the children the way the teachers and employees do at Rock Spring, Betsy or not! The kids are the important piece after all, not the nosy, controlling parents.

My two cents....

TOTALLY disagree that teachers are not upset. I was SHOCKED when I found it - had been trying to reach her, leaving messages about an issue with my kid - and finally called the office main number to be told that she was not longer there. The teachers were shocked, too. I remember the look on their faces. They're shocked and confused. Read all these posts about people with financial difficulties. What about the teachers? Do you think they are really going to risk immediate dismissal by gossiping about Betsy?

For someone to be summarily fired, there had to be MAJOR issues...that we would have known about. Prior complaints, major transgressions...I thought maybe she had too hard a time handling the school and some family issues right now and had a slight breakdown...and I think the office was fine letting me assume that.

I am also saddened to read the "what do we care?" attitude. We're all working women, I presume. Finding reliable, loving excellent care is HARD. I was prepared to quit my job is Rock Spring was not a good place. I have been so amazed by the school - and from my perspective, Betsy was the true leader who set the tone. (Or I thought she was...now I think it is the combination CEO/President/Chair of Board of Directors who makes how much money for working part time? Hmm....Where is the financial and legal oversight, not to mention HR oversight?

Let's not let this neighborhood treasure be destroyed - for all our sakes.

Anonymous wrote:Ok then. I hope that the president/CEO is successfully sued by the wrongfully terminated director, and financial damages come straight out of his pocket. I hope he is forced to resign his position and that the wrongfully terminated director is reinstated.

Rules concerning the school's administrators right to socialize with other school families should apply to all the administrators. One person should not be singled out by person who is in charge of everything with no personal accountability whatsoever. That is all.

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:To the last post: TRUST ME the teachers are not upset!! And who do you think you are to be putting it out there on how "you" think/assume the teachers feel??? Talk for yourself and stop getting them involved!!!!

This is PP. I have spoken to several teachers - I asked them what was going on when I found out. That's how I know. Wow. I looked at their faces, heard their voices.

I should TRUST you? From your TRUST ME tone, you sound like someone from the school. This is NOT good.

Anonymous wrote:To the last post: TRUST ME the teachers are not upset!! And who do you think you are to be putting it out there on how "you" think/assume the teachers feel??? Talk for yourself and stop getting them involved!!!!

Anonymous wrote:Just a thought...has anyone bothered to talk to any of the teachers or other employees at the school. I have spoken with several of them and they are not in the slightest disappointed with the departure of Betsy no matter the reason. The morale and mood of the staff seem to be better now than in the weeks leading up to her "mysterious" departure. One poster mentioned that her child loved Betsy, but I work with kids and know that what they like or dislike, or love or hate, is rather fly by night. We had an amazing soccer coach with our soccer program, which by the way came with us from the old location, that the children that attended his class religiously loved and adored.....even referring to soccer days as "Soccer Man Day." This program was adored by kids, parents and teachers alike, and my understanding is that Betsy was responsible for not renewing their business and going with the current soccer provider, which is not nearly as liked by the kids, parents or employees.

Bottom line is that the important factor is not why, but that the school maintains it's high order of service to the children, mainly, but the parents as well. One should consider that before they begin making demands or pushing for answers. Do you your children come home better socially and intellectually for attending Rock Spring? If the answer to that is still yes, then move on from this craziness and be thankful that you are enrolled in a school that cares for and loves the children the way the teachers and employees do at Rock Spring, Betsy or not! The kids are the important piece after all, not the nosy, controlling parents.

My two cents....

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:I wish that they would just tell us why they are being so quiet about her departure. If it is a legal issue, then say so. If it is a personal issue that Betsy wanted to keep private, then say so. Maybe they are worried that it will open a bigger can of worms, but the huge elephant sitting in the school is more than worrisome.

totally, totally agree (i am the OP of this thread btw). all we want is an explanation as to what kind of thing we are dealing with. this affects the entire school community and needs to be addressed - this is the place where our children spend their days and we need to feel comfortable with the way things are handled there!!

I am not on the Board, just a parent with kid in the program. And I think this is totally blown WAY out of proportion. Betsy was great, but she's just an employee like any other employee. Carrie and Erin are great, too. We don't know what led to the departure, and no, I don't think we are entitled to know what led to the departure unless it directly affects our children. And, to me, it just doesn't look like it does. And nothing that's been said or spread in all the above vitriol gives me any reason to suspect otherwise. Are my kids well-cared for while I am working - Absolutely. Do the teachers seem happy to be there and happy to see the kids (Absolutely). Does my $$ appear to go to good use - yes - the facility, the toys, the caregivers, everything is top notch - unlike those other "comparative" facilities where the toys are old, the playground is old, and the facilities always look like they need rehab. No knock on the others - they have wonderful caregivers, too - but they also have their share of drama in admin - as any workplace does. Is the Board open? Yes - everything that is discussed in a meeting is published in the newsletter, and if you want more detailed information you can discuss with any board member. I personally am glad that there are parents willing to take on this thankless task (see above for all the gratitude), as it takes more time and effort than most have, including me. Again, this is one staff decision - I get that you may have been friends or thought that Betsy was the best thing since sliced bread - but she left, so get over it and move on, and put your energies to making the place better, not tearing it down with innuendo and gossip.

Anonymous wrote:[...]The president of the board of directors, a position that for 22 years was unpaid and volunteer, is also being paid to fill the role of CEO. So the person running the board is overseeing himself, for salary, raises, performance, what have you. [...]

Anonymous wrote:Why is it bitching and complaining to point out that one person is in charge of the whole school and does not have to be accountable to anyone. Meanwhile, this person can bully the staff and parents, and if anyone dares to complain, they're threatened with having their child expelled from the school. BTW, pres/CEO didn't look like he was very popular on back to school night. Mostly he was just standing around by himself. I wonder why he opted not to make a speech as he typically does at school events.

It is possible to be very happy with the teachers, but very troubled by the leadership and administration. No one who takes offense to these "negative" comments needs to be on this board. Read: Shaun get off of dcum and get back to your own self-serving pursuits and cronies on the almighty Board.