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Anonymous wrote:All of this because some people are mad they can’t talk about sex with little kids.

It is not just sex, its also gender and gender identity and encouraging prepubescent children to undergo gender reassignment.

Exhibit A and B for what my dad always said - never underestimate the stupidity of the American voter. These people exist. An actual person (I think??) typed these two statements.

I can only speak for my daughter, but since this bill passed, it's open season on gay kids in the school she goes to (in Florida, just to be clear). When they announce Pride Club at her high school (not "little kids", HIGH SCHOOL), along with the other clubs, they are openly boo'ed. They are mocked on the regular in the, what, 21 days since this passed. The homophobes like those above are teaching their children to be hateful, and they're doing just that in droves right now. And it's only just beginning. You two posters must be gleeful reading this. Must be so proud of the hate you're teaching your kids.

The liberal media decided to rename this bill the "don't say gay bill". In doing so they are promoting homophobia.

The "parental rights in education" bill addresses what should be taught in school by teachers in the third grade and below.

It covers all grades.

quoting from an NPR article:

The bill, which some opponents have called "Don't Say Gay," was signed by DeSantis on Monday. It reads, "Classroom instruction by school personnel or third parties on sexual orientation or gender identity may not occur in kindergarten through grade 3 or in a manner that is not age-appropriate or developmentally appropriate for students in accordance with state standards."

In other words the "don't say gay" emphasis comes from the Dems.

No one is going to successfully sue because a HS teacher brought up homosexuality in school.

"successfully" -- that doesn't rule out people suing and therefore intimidating school districts. Disgusting.

And it's already happening. Look at the books removed by a Florida school district: https://twitter.com/DWUhlfelderLaw/status/1516899552426700804. There's books there with zero sexual content that are only there because the contain depictions of gay families (Everywhere Babies, for example). The "Don't Say Gay" bill is turning out to be exactly what people predicted it would be.

But according to the wording of the law, any books with straight families can be banned too.

Which is why this bill might not survive. It's unbelievably vague and up for way too much interpretation. The fact that as many people just on this thread don't understand - despite claiming to have read it - that this bill applies to all students and not just K-3 shows how sneaky it's trying to be. It's way too broad and unclear and could bankrupt schools to boot.

According to the U.S. Supreme Court in Connally v. General Construction Co. (1926), a law is unconstitutionally vague when people “of common intelligence must necessarily guess at its meaning.”
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Vagueness_doctrine

Exactly. Put 100 people in a room and you'll get 100 different readings of this bill. "Age and developmentally appropriate???" Give me a break with that crap.

The posters on this thread are either of below average intelligence or pretending they are.

I don't think the people of Florida would have any problem explaining to you what their bill means.

You can see the text. It's been quoted extensively in this thread. The language is pretty plain, and very broad, and clearly would ban me, a woman, discussing the fact I have a husband, to 2nd grade students. It would ban me from reading them books like "Ramona and Her Mother" because that's gendering right there, and a depiction of a hetero couple.

I think the law is kind of dumb, but mentioning a spouse, gay or otherwise, is not “classroom instruction.”

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Anonymous wrote:Will the local taxpayers assume a burden if this goes down? Seems like all those FL statewide GOPers want to impose higher taxes on the middle class.

Yes, the burden is one billion dollars, around $2200 for each and every Orange and Osceola County resident.
Lots of discussion already here:
https://www.dcurbanmom.com/jforum/posts/list/1052413.page

Why isn't Disney responsible for those taxes? Every article I've read seems to say they are, and I am all for big corporations losing their special privileges and tax loopholes.

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Anonymous wrote:Will the local taxpayers assume a burden if this goes down? Seems like all those FL statewide GOPers want to impose higher taxes on the middle class.

Yes, the burden is one billion dollars, around $2200 for each and every Orange and Osceola County resident.
Lots of discussion already here:
https://www.dcurbanmom.com/jforum/posts/list/1052413.page

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Anonymous wrote:All of this because some people are mad they can’t talk about sex with little kids.

It is not just sex, its also gender and gender identity and encouraging prepubescent children to undergo gender reassignment.

Exhibit A and B for what my dad always said - never underestimate the stupidity of the American voter. These people exist. An actual person (I think??) typed these two statements.

I can only speak for my daughter, but since this bill passed, it's open season on gay kids in the school she goes to (in Florida, just to be clear). When they announce Pride Club at her high school (not "little kids", HIGH SCHOOL), along with the other clubs, they are openly boo'ed. They are mocked on the regular in the, what, 21 days since this passed. The homophobes like those above are teaching their children to be hateful, and they're doing just that in droves right now. And it's only just beginning. You two posters must be gleeful reading this. Must be so proud of the hate you're teaching your kids.

The liberal media decided to rename this bill the "don't say gay bill". In doing so they are promoting homophobia.

The "parental rights in education" bill addresses what should be taught in school by teachers in the third grade and below.

It covers all grades.

quoting from an NPR article:

The bill, which some opponents have called "Don't Say Gay," was signed by DeSantis on Monday. It reads, "Classroom instruction by school personnel or third parties on sexual orientation or gender identity may not occur in kindergarten through grade 3 or in a manner that is not age-appropriate or developmentally appropriate for students in accordance with state standards."

In other words the "don't say gay" emphasis comes from the Dems.

No one is going to successfully sue because a HS teacher brought up homosexuality in school.

"successfully" -- that doesn't rule out people suing and therefore intimidating school districts. Disgusting.

And it's already happening. Look at the books removed by a Florida school district: https://twitter.com/DWUhlfelderLaw/status/1516899552426700804. There's books there with zero sexual content that are only there because the contain depictions of gay families (Everywhere Babies, for example). The "Don't Say Gay" bill is turning out to be exactly what people predicted it would be.

But according to the wording of the law, any books with straight families can be banned too.

Which is why this bill might not survive. It's unbelievably vague and up for way too much interpretation. The fact that as many people just on this thread don't understand - despite claiming to have read it - that this bill applies to all students and not just K-3 shows how sneaky it's trying to be. It's way too broad and unclear and could bankrupt schools to boot.

According to the U.S. Supreme Court in Connally v. General Construction Co. (1926), a law is unconstitutionally vague when people “of common intelligence must necessarily guess at its meaning.”
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Vagueness_doctrine

Exactly. Put 100 people in a room and you'll get 100 different readings of this bill. "Age and developmentally appropriate???" Give me a break with that crap.

The posters on this thread are either of below average intelligence or pretending they are.

I don't think the people of Florida would have any problem explaining to you what their bill means.

You can see the text. It's been quoted extensively in this thread. The language is pretty plain, and very broad, and clearly would ban me, a woman, discussing the fact I have a husband, to 2nd grade students. It would ban me from reading them books like "Ramona and Her Mother" because that's gendering right there, and a depiction of a hetero couple.

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Anonymous wrote:All of this because some people are mad they can’t talk about sex with little kids.

It is not just sex, its also gender and gender identity and encouraging prepubescent children to undergo gender reassignment.

Exhibit A and B for what my dad always said - never underestimate the stupidity of the American voter. These people exist. An actual person (I think??) typed these two statements.

I can only speak for my daughter, but since this bill passed, it's open season on gay kids in the school she goes to (in Florida, just to be clear). When they announce Pride Club at her high school (not "little kids", HIGH SCHOOL), along with the other clubs, they are openly boo'ed. They are mocked on the regular in the, what, 21 days since this passed. The homophobes like those above are teaching their children to be hateful, and they're doing just that in droves right now. And it's only just beginning. You two posters must be gleeful reading this. Must be so proud of the hate you're teaching your kids.

The liberal media decided to rename this bill the "don't say gay bill". In doing so they are promoting homophobia.

The "parental rights in education" bill addresses what should be taught in school by teachers in the third grade and below.

It covers all grades.

quoting from an NPR article:

The bill, which some opponents have called "Don't Say Gay," was signed by DeSantis on Monday. It reads, "Classroom instruction by school personnel or third parties on sexual orientation or gender identity may not occur in kindergarten through grade 3 or in a manner that is not age-appropriate or developmentally appropriate for students in accordance with state standards."

In other words the "don't say gay" emphasis comes from the Dems.

No one is going to successfully sue because a HS teacher brought up homosexuality in school.

"successfully" -- that doesn't rule out people suing and therefore intimidating school districts. Disgusting.

And it's already happening. Look at the books removed by a Florida school district: https://twitter.com/DWUhlfelderLaw/status/1516899552426700804. There's books there with zero sexual content that are only there because the contain depictions of gay families (Everywhere Babies, for example). The "Don't Say Gay" bill is turning out to be exactly what people predicted it would be.

But according to the wording of the law, any books with straight families can be banned too.

Which is why this bill might not survive. It's unbelievably vague and up for way too much interpretation. The fact that as many people just on this thread don't understand - despite claiming to have read it - that this bill applies to all students and not just K-3 shows how sneaky it's trying to be. It's way too broad and unclear and could bankrupt schools to boot.

According to the U.S. Supreme Court in Connally v. General Construction Co. (1926), a law is unconstitutionally vague when people “of common intelligence must necessarily guess at its meaning.”
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Vagueness_doctrine

Exactly. Put 100 people in a room and you'll get 100 different readings of this bill. "Age and developmentally appropriate???" Give me a break with that crap.

The posters on this thread are either of below average intelligence or pretending they are.

I don't think the people of Florida would have any problem explaining to you what their bill means.

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Anonymous wrote:All of this because some people are mad they can’t talk about sex with little kids.

It is not just sex, its also gender and gender identity and encouraging prepubescent children to undergo gender reassignment.

Exhibit A and B for what my dad always said - never underestimate the stupidity of the American voter. These people exist. An actual person (I think??) typed these two statements.

I can only speak for my daughter, but since this bill passed, it's open season on gay kids in the school she goes to (in Florida, just to be clear). When they announce Pride Club at her high school (not "little kids", HIGH SCHOOL), along with the other clubs, they are openly boo'ed. They are mocked on the regular in the, what, 21 days since this passed. The homophobes like those above are teaching their children to be hateful, and they're doing just that in droves right now. And it's only just beginning. You two posters must be gleeful reading this. Must be so proud of the hate you're teaching your kids.

The liberal media decided to rename this bill the "don't say gay bill". In doing so they are promoting homophobia.

The "parental rights in education" bill addresses what should be taught in school by teachers in the third grade and below.

It covers all grades.

quoting from an NPR article:

The bill, which some opponents have called "Don't Say Gay," was signed by DeSantis on Monday. It reads, "Classroom instruction by school personnel or third parties on sexual orientation or gender identity may not occur in kindergarten through grade 3 or in a manner that is not age-appropriate or developmentally appropriate for students in accordance with state standards."

In other words the "don't say gay" emphasis comes from the Dems.

No one is going to successfully sue because a HS teacher brought up homosexuality in school.

"successfully" -- that doesn't rule out people suing and therefore intimidating school districts. Disgusting.

And it's already happening. Look at the books removed by a Florida school district: https://twitter.com/DWUhlfelderLaw/status/1516899552426700804. There's books there with zero sexual content that are only there because the contain depictions of gay families (Everywhere Babies, for example). The "Don't Say Gay" bill is turning out to be exactly what people predicted it would be.

But according to the wording of the law, any books with straight families can be banned too.

Which is why this bill might not survive. It's unbelievably vague and up for way too much interpretation. The fact that as many people just on this thread don't understand - despite claiming to have read it - that this bill applies to all students and not just K-3 shows how sneaky it's trying to be. It's way too broad and unclear and could bankrupt schools to boot.

According to the U.S. Supreme Court in Connally v. General Construction Co. (1926), a law is unconstitutionally vague when people “of common intelligence must necessarily guess at its meaning.”
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Vagueness_doctrine

Exactly. Put 100 people in a room and you'll get 100 different readings of this bill. "Age and developmentally appropriate???" Give me a break with that crap.

The posters on this thread are either of below average intelligence or pretending they are.

I don't think the people of Florida would have any problem explaining to you what their bill means.

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Anonymous wrote:All of this because some people are mad they can’t talk about sex with little kids.

It is not just sex, its also gender and gender identity and encouraging prepubescent children to undergo gender reassignment.

Exhibit A and B for what my dad always said - never underestimate the stupidity of the American voter. These people exist. An actual person (I think??) typed these two statements.

I can only speak for my daughter, but since this bill passed, it's open season on gay kids in the school she goes to (in Florida, just to be clear). When they announce Pride Club at her high school (not "little kids", HIGH SCHOOL), along with the other clubs, they are openly boo'ed. They are mocked on the regular in the, what, 21 days since this passed. The homophobes like those above are teaching their children to be hateful, and they're doing just that in droves right now. And it's only just beginning. You two posters must be gleeful reading this. Must be so proud of the hate you're teaching your kids.

The liberal media decided to rename this bill the "don't say gay bill". In doing so they are promoting homophobia.

The "parental rights in education" bill addresses what should be taught in school by teachers in the third grade and below.

It covers all grades.

quoting from an NPR article:

The bill, which some opponents have called "Don't Say Gay," was signed by DeSantis on Monday. It reads, "Classroom instruction by school personnel or third parties on sexual orientation or gender identity may not occur in kindergarten through grade 3 or in a manner that is not age-appropriate or developmentally appropriate for students in accordance with state standards."

In other words the "don't say gay" emphasis comes from the Dems.

No one is going to successfully sue because a HS teacher brought up homosexuality in school.

"successfully" -- that doesn't rule out people suing and therefore intimidating school districts. Disgusting.

And it's already happening. Look at the books removed by a Florida school district: https://twitter.com/DWUhlfelderLaw/status/1516899552426700804. There's books there with zero sexual content that are only there because the contain depictions of gay families (Everywhere Babies, for example). The "Don't Say Gay" bill is turning out to be exactly what people predicted it would be.

But according to the wording of the law, any books with straight families can be banned too.

Which is why this bill might not survive. It's unbelievably vague and up for way too much interpretation. The fact that as many people just on this thread don't understand - despite claiming to have read it - that this bill applies to all students and not just K-3 shows how sneaky it's trying to be. It's way too broad and unclear and could bankrupt schools to boot.

According to the U.S. Supreme Court in Connally v. General Construction Co. (1926), a law is unconstitutionally vague when people “of common intelligence must necessarily guess at its meaning.”
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Vagueness_doctrine

Exactly. Put 100 people in a room and you'll get 100 different readings of this bill. "Age and developmentally appropriate???" Give me a break with that crap.

The posters on this thread are either of below average intelligence or pretending they are.

I don't think the people of Florida would have any problem explaining to you what their bill means.

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Anonymous wrote:All of this because some people are mad they can’t talk about sex with little kids.

It is not just sex, its also gender and gender identity and encouraging prepubescent children to undergo gender reassignment.

Exhibit A and B for what my dad always said - never underestimate the stupidity of the American voter. These people exist. An actual person (I think??) typed these two statements.

I can only speak for my daughter, but since this bill passed, it's open season on gay kids in the school she goes to (in Florida, just to be clear). When they announce Pride Club at her high school (not "little kids", HIGH SCHOOL), along with the other clubs, they are openly boo'ed. They are mocked on the regular in the, what, 21 days since this passed. The homophobes like those above are teaching their children to be hateful, and they're doing just that in droves right now. And it's only just beginning. You two posters must be gleeful reading this. Must be so proud of the hate you're teaching your kids.

The liberal media decided to rename this bill the "don't say gay bill". In doing so they are promoting homophobia.

The "parental rights in education" bill addresses what should be taught in school by teachers in the third grade and below.

It covers all grades.

quoting from an NPR article:

The bill, which some opponents have called "Don't Say Gay," was signed by DeSantis on Monday. It reads, "Classroom instruction by school personnel or third parties on sexual orientation or gender identity may not occur in kindergarten through grade 3 or in a manner that is not age-appropriate or developmentally appropriate for students in accordance with state standards."

In other words the "don't say gay" emphasis comes from the Dems.

No one is going to successfully sue because a HS teacher brought up homosexuality in school.

"successfully" -- that doesn't rule out people suing and therefore intimidating school districts. Disgusting.

And it's already happening. Look at the books removed by a Florida school district: https://twitter.com/DWUhlfelderLaw/status/1516899552426700804. There's books there with zero sexual content that are only there because the contain depictions of gay families (Everywhere Babies, for example). The "Don't Say Gay" bill is turning out to be exactly what people predicted it would be.

But according to the wording of the law, any books with straight families can be banned too.

Which is why this bill might not survive. It's unbelievably vague and up for way too much interpretation. The fact that as many people just on this thread don't understand - despite claiming to have read it - that this bill applies to all students and not just K-3 shows how sneaky it's trying to be. It's way too broad and unclear and could bankrupt schools to boot.

According to the U.S. Supreme Court in Connally v. General Construction Co. (1926), a law is unconstitutionally vague when people “of common intelligence must necessarily guess at its meaning.”
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Vagueness_doctrine

Exactly. Put 100 people in a room and you'll get 100 different readings of this bill. "Age and developmentally appropriate???" Give me a break with that crap.

Anonymous wrote:The law, in other words, is largely performative. If they explicitly wanted to ban, say, "discussion of sexual activities" in K-2 they could have done that and I doubt many would object. But they went for something vaguer because it's really about ire toward LGBT people - but something focused on them, outside of purely religious circumstances, wouldn't survive constitutional muster (given the recent SCOTUS decision on not being able to fire someone for being LGBT was 6-3, written by Gorsuch).

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Anonymous wrote:All of this because some people are mad they can’t talk about sex with little kids.

It is not just sex, its also gender and gender identity and encouraging prepubescent children to undergo gender reassignment.

Exhibit A and B for what my dad always said - never underestimate the stupidity of the American voter. These people exist. An actual person (I think??) typed these two statements.

I can only speak for my daughter, but since this bill passed, it's open season on gay kids in the school she goes to (in Florida, just to be clear). When they announce Pride Club at her high school (not "little kids", HIGH SCHOOL), along with the other clubs, they are openly boo'ed. They are mocked on the regular in the, what, 21 days since this passed. The homophobes like those above are teaching their children to be hateful, and they're doing just that in droves right now. And it's only just beginning. You two posters must be gleeful reading this. Must be so proud of the hate you're teaching your kids.

The liberal media decided to rename this bill the "don't say gay bill". In doing so they are promoting homophobia.

The "parental rights in education" bill addresses what should be taught in school by teachers in the third grade and below.

It covers all grades.

quoting from an NPR article:

The bill, which some opponents have called "Don't Say Gay," was signed by DeSantis on Monday. It reads, "Classroom instruction by school personnel or third parties on sexual orientation or gender identity may not occur in kindergarten through grade 3 or in a manner that is not age-appropriate or developmentally appropriate for students in accordance with state standards."

In other words the "don't say gay" emphasis comes from the Dems.

No one is going to successfully sue because a HS teacher brought up homosexuality in school.

"successfully" -- that doesn't rule out people suing and therefore intimidating school districts. Disgusting.

And it's already happening. Look at the books removed by a Florida school district: https://twitter.com/DWUhlfelderLaw/status/1516899552426700804. There's books there with zero sexual content that are only there because the contain depictions of gay families (Everywhere Babies, for example). The "Don't Say Gay" bill is turning out to be exactly what people predicted it would be.

But according to the wording of the law, any books with straight families can be banned too.

Which is why this bill might not survive. It's unbelievably vague and up for way too much interpretation. The fact that as many people just on this thread don't understand - despite claiming to have read it - that this bill applies to all students and not just K-3 shows how sneaky it's trying to be. It's way too broad and unclear and could bankrupt schools to boot.

According to the U.S. Supreme Court in Connally v. General Construction Co. (1926), a law is unconstitutionally vague when people “of common intelligence must necessarily guess at its meaning.”
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Vagueness_doctrine